Skip & Sreamin A Nail It Again On Why Garrett Still Has A Job

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Jason Garrett does not belong in the same sentence with Marvin Lewis. Marvin was Super Bowl winning defensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens. Anybody that knows anything about football...knows that the Ravens defense is WHY they won that Super Bowl.

Marvin EARNED his right to become a head coach. Marvin was given the keys to a franchise that NOBODY wants. Free agents don't want to go there. Convincing top coaching talent to go there is difficult. So on a team that plays in a tough, tough, tough division...under the aforementioned circumstances...he has acquitted himself quite well.

Jason had ZERO success as a coordinator, position coach, play caller etc...before getting the job in Dallas. And Dallas is a franchise with REAL pedigree. It is a franchise where the owner will spend money. It is a franchise that players and coaches want to play/coach for. So Jason has been given the keys to a Ferrari...and driven it like a Yugo.

He got to the playoffs with AJ McCarron. We drafted instead Devin Street 18 picks earlier.
 

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I don't want to get into the black/white thing. But I do know that Jason did NOTHING to get the job as offensive coordinator. He had never called plays at ANY level (high school, college, pro). He has done nothing to prove he is worthy of 6m as a head coach.

Just thought I'd point out that generally any first time OCs have never called plays before they became OCs. That's why they've never been OCs before...

Norv Turner never called plays...until he called plays as an OC. Bruce Arians never called plays until he was an OC. Sean Payton never called plays until he was an OC.

If play calling experience was used as a qualifier for being an offensive coordinator, then we would never have any new offensive coordinators. Each team would just be recycling old ones.

Garrett as an OC, by the way, and as a HC outside this season, has never had an offense outside the top ten in the league.
 

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He got to the playoffs with AJ McCarron. We drafted instead Devin Street 18 picks earlier.

You mean it is OK to win with a backup QB? That is allowed in the NFL? /sarcasm

Not to mention...Marvin continued to make the playoffs....after losing his defensive coordinator...Mike Zimmer...who has gone on to make the playoffs with the Vikings and a 2nd year QB drafted in the 2nd round. He also lost his offensive coordinator Jay Gruden...who has gone on to make the playoffs in his 2nd year in Washington with a QB in his first year as a starter...who was drafted in the 4th round. But 5 years later....we will KEEP being told it is a PROCESS! I really said I would not do this...but I could just spit nails watching Dallas flop around like a fish out of water. I can't....I just can't........
 

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Just thought I'd point out that generally any first time OCs have never called plays before they became OCs. That's why they've never been OCs before...

Norv Turner never called plays...until he called plays as an OC. Bruce Arians never called plays until he was an OC. Sean Payton never called plays until he was an OC.

If play calling experience was used as a qualifier for being an offensive coordinator, then we would never have any new offensive coordinators. Each team would just be recycling old ones.

Garrett as an OC, by the way, and as a HC outside this season, has never had an offense outside the top ten in the league.

Did all the coaches you just mentioned....ever spend JUST ONE year...as a position coach....then ascend to a coordinator? Jason had coached JUST ONE year....none in high school....none in college...JUST ONE in the NFL. The blunders he made early on were akin to someone coaching Pop Warner! And look what happened to Jason's offense the year after Sparano left the building....or the year after Callahan left the building!

Much like Jerry is in over his head as a GM....Jason was in over his head as a coordinator...and definitely in over his head as a head coach...so BOTH have several people in their ear. Was it Garrets brother who was passing game coordinator at one point?
 

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It's extremely difficult to find strong competent coaches who are also willing to be embarrassed time after time by their upper managers.

Garrett is willing to be called a trainee, mistake laden etc.. by the Jones boys in exchange for a high annual salary.

Now you can find lots of people willing to do the same thing, but you wouldn't want them necessarily coaching your team (if you were really trying to win).

That's our coach in a nutshell. And if he has to act in such a manner to get ahead in Dallas, what does that say about the rest of them; coaches, scouts, personnel guys etc..

I mean really think about it and then wonder why we aren't winning.
 

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dola

We have all heard Jerry do radio and TV interviews both nationally and locally, the content of the majority of them is an embarrassing combination of hilly billy nonsense and just plain, what the heck!

I've seen interviewers literally have to catch themselves from laughing during some of his sessions, the local guys after his radio show must just look at each other and shake their heads, i mean it's just terrible.

But Jerry continues with them, nobody tells him he is coming off like a fool, and Jerry doesn't care, for him it's more important to be asked to speak than to worry if they laugh at him for what he said. Think about that.

That's why he made those statements about Manzeil right after that, he wanted to pick him because it would keep the Cowboys 'relevant' for the next 10 years, not that he was the best choice.

Jerry's worst fear is that no one will want to listen to him anymore.

So, what does he do, he surrounds himself with people that never ever tell him the whole truth.
 

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Did all the coaches you just mentioned....ever spend JUST ONE year...as a position coach....then ascend to a coordinator? Jason had coached JUST ONE year....none in high school....none in college...JUST ONE in the NFL. The blunders he made early on were akin to someone coaching Pop Warner! And look what happened to Jason's offense the year after Sparano left the building....or the year after Callahan left the building!

Much like Jerry is in over his head as a GM....Jason was in over his head as a coordinator...and definitely in over his head as a head coach...so BOTH have several people in their ear. Was it Garrets brother who was passing game coordinator at one point?

Two years as a QB coach, not one, and he was essentially a player/coach for the Dolphins and Bucs before that.

Also, Nick Saban wanted him to come to Alabama to be his OC before the Cowboys hired him. I think I'll take Saban's opinion over yours. Thanks.

Whether you like Jason Garrett or not, he's here to stay. Nothing you do is going to change that. You may as well save yourself some grief and put your energy into supporting the guy.
 

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Two years as a QB coach, not one, and he was essentially a player/coach for the Dolphins and Bucs before that.

Also, Nick Saban wanted him to come to Alabama to be his OC before the Cowboys hired him. I think I'll take Saban's opinion over yours. Thanks.

Whether you like Jason Garrett or not, he's here to stay. Nothing you do is going to change that. You may as well save yourself some grief and put your energy into supporting the guy.

Jason would have been perfect at Alabama..not much coaching needed...Just overwhelm the opposition with superior talent...cough...cough Rolando McClain
 

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How can you be certain of that? If this is really true, it might be the final nail in my coffin.

He's always defended him and worked with his father in 1997 with Lacewell and Jim, in personnel. Judd Garrett is Director of Pro Personnel under him.

You've never really saw pictures of with Stephen, but plenty of pictures with him and Jason.
 

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Two years as a QB coach, not one, and he was essentially a player/coach for the Dolphins and Bucs before that.

Also, Nick Saban wanted him to come to Alabama to be his OC before the Cowboys hired him. I think I'll take Saban's opinion over yours. Thanks.

Whether you like Jason Garrett or not, he's here to stay. Nothing you do is going to change that. You may as well save yourself some grief and put your energy into supporting the guy.

Lmao!!

Player/coach like Wade Wilson was here.. I love how Garrett-homers immortalize thing about him, like holding a clipboard as player-coach..

If he was so good in Tampa Bay with his sound coaching skills, why did he bounce after one year?

And in Miami, you wonder what all his coach did for Joey Harrington and Gus Frerotte, a veteran who was pretty much done and didn't need his advice.

And did you see Saban's staff with the Dolphins? Coaches always take guys underneath them. It doesn't mean they are good. Everybody on this team coaching is from that same Saban Dolphin team, including Linehan and Dooley, as well as Houck, until he retired. The Dallas Cowboys are running the Saban approach here and it's gotten them zero. They should have stuck with the Callahan approach that has Washington in the playoffs right now..

And are any of those guys good HCs, because they worked under Saban?
 
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Just thought I'd point out that generally any first time OCs have never called plays before they became OCs. That's why they've never been OCs before...

Norv Turner never called plays...until he called plays as an OC. Bruce Arians never called plays until he was an OC. Sean Payton never called plays until he was an OC.

If play calling experience was used as a qualifier for being an offensive coordinator, then we would never have any new offensive coordinators. Each team would just be recycling old ones.

Garrett as an OC, by the way, and as a HC outside this season, has never had an offense outside the top ten in the league.

You mean top ten offense in YARDAGE because of Romo and teams play cover-2 deep giving the underneath and taking away the big play?

When he got compete control of the offense from Sparano, his offense dropped from 2nd in the league in scoring to 18th in ONE year and he hovered there throughout his career even dropping to twenty something.
He was pretty bottom-half in scoring throughout his tenure of complete control of his offense.

Doesn't matter how many yards you put up if you can't get points.

And you saw how many yards his offense put up when he didn't have Romo and how much they scored.. Top 10... lmao!!! Don't forget his TO laden offense as well, despite the 'yards' that made him a "top 10 defense"...
 

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Jason Garrett does not belong in the same sentence with Marvin Lewis. Marvin was Super Bowl winning defensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens. Anybody that knows anything about football...knows that the Ravens defense is WHY they won that Super Bowl.

Marvin EARNED his right to become a head coach. Marvin was given the keys to a franchise that NOBODY wants. Free agents don't want to go there. Convincing top coaching talent to go there is difficult. So on a team that plays in a tough, tough, tough division...under the aforementioned circumstances...he has acquitted himself quite well.

Jason had ZERO success as a coordinator, position coach, play caller etc...before getting the job in Dallas. And Dallas is a franchise with REAL pedigree. It is a franchise where the owner will spend money. It is a franchise that players and coaches want to play/coach for. So Jason has been given the keys to a Ferrari...and driven it like a Yugo.

This is probably the best post I have seen in describing just how inept Garrett has been.

You could also add the fact that he has had a franchise QB/ hall of fame numbers QB to go along with everything else you said.
 

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Like I said in another thread a few days ago...my only hope is to out live the b@#$%$%. I'm 46. he's 73. That's my light @ the end of the tunnel.:rolleyes:

You're 46?????????????
 
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