So Many Terrible Draft Picks

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WillieBeamen said:
Look, Homer


Nowhere in this thread was I comparing Dak to a second year Aaron Rodgers. If you can find that post, let me know. You cant though.

I am talking at this stage in each of their career’s. Dak is not on the Aaron Rodgers level or anywhere near it. I know that hurts your feelings, but oh well, get over it.
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LOL! You are talking about "this stage of their careers" when Aaron Rodgers didn't start a game until his fourth year in the NFL.

Look, Dufus, at this stage of his career Aaron Rodgers was holding a clipboard and looking to high five the starter when that guy came off the field.
 
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Kaiser said:
LOL! You are talking about "this stage of their careers" when Aaron Rodgers didn't start a game until his fourth year in the NFL.

Look, Dufus, at this stage of his career Aaron Rodgers was holding a clipboard and looking to high five the starter when that guy came off the field.
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At this stage in Aaron Rodgers career he established himself as arguably the best QB of all time. What the hell are u talking about homer?
 
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Byron Jones doesn't suck in the least bit. You would be laughed out of any scouting dept. if you thought that. And what's funny is everybody compares him to Landon Collins...and Byron is playing far better than he is this year.

I'm starting to think that Jaylon isn't a MIKE. He just doesn't have a feel for it. Between his knee, coming into the league, etc...might be too much to learn too soon.

Green was good last year, but can't stay healthy. They screwed the pooch by moving him to guard and then thinking he could just go back to OT without a problem.




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Yakuza Rich said:
Byron Jones doesn't suck in the least bit. You would be laughed out of any scouting dept. if you thought that. And what's funny is everybody compares him to Landon Collins...and Byron is playing far better than he is this year.

I'm starting to think that Jaylon isn't a MIKE. He just doesn't have a feel for it. Between his knee, coming into the league, etc...might be too much to learn too soon.

Green was good last year, but can't stay healthy. They screwed the pooch by moving him to guard and then thinking he could just go back to OT without a problem.




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LOL.

First of all, Smith wasn't really a NFL MLB before he got hurt. He's a WILL, maybe a SAM. The Cowboys are screwing up trying to make him a MLB.

Second of all, no, Jones is not having a much better year than Collins. Jones doesn't suck but he's basically an average S at this point and not someone you look at and say, "Gee, the Cowboys don't need to upgrade that spot, he's really ****** good!"
 
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Yakuza Rich said:
Byron Jones doesn't suck in the least bit. You would be laughed out of any scouting dept. if you thought that. And what's funny is everybody compares him to Landon Collins...and Byron is playing far better than he is this year.

I'm starting to think that Jaylon isn't a MIKE. He just doesn't have a feel for it. Between his knee, coming into the league, etc...might be too much to learn too soon.

Green was good last year, but can't stay healthy. They screwed the pooch by moving him to guard and then thinking he could just go back to OT without a problem.

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Sydla said:
LOL.

First of all, Smith wasn't really a NFL MLB before he got hurt. He's a WILL, maybe a SAM. The Cowboys are screwing up trying to make him a MLB.

Second of all, no, Jones is not having a much better year than Collins. Jones doesn't suck but he's basically an average S at this point and not someone you look at and say, "Gee, the Cowboys don't need to upgrade that spot, he's really ****** good!"
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You're not watching NYG games then. Because Collins is getting roasted in coverage. There's a reason why the G-Men are giving up 27 ppg with 41ppg in the last two games. Their safeties can't cover.

Meanwhile Jones' cover ability is quite strong and he's a good sound tackler. Without Jones, we would be just as screwed as we are without Lee.

The problem is that we are poor at SS and we use Byron to due the dirty work like cover the top WR's and top TE's by himself. That should put the SS in good position to make plays, but Heath is a backup level talent and Woods probably isn't a SS, but is too green anyway.



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Blackspider214 said:
Just off the top of my head, Jaylon Smith, Chaz Green, Byron Jones, Taco Charlton, Randy Gregory. These aren't end of the draft players. These are guys taken in rounds you need production from. Might be too early to make a verdict on Taco but so far, he's been as worthless as you can ask for a 1st round pick. Gregory will never play here again. Chaz might be one of the worst OL I have seen. Jaylon is a lost cause. Byron Jones was a mediocre player at a small school and him being a combine warrior impressed us. He does nothing well. He's not terrible but not even close to a 1st round talent.

I get we are hitting on more players as of late than back in the day but we still pick way too many worthless players who offer no help. In rounds where you expect good production.
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This is a core problem because almost everything Dallas does or doesn't do (like sign meaningful FAs) is based on Dallas out-drafting other NFL teams. What compounds problem is that Stephan Jones starts holding onto players too long out of pride for his system. One of biggest dangers in running a team is not knowing when to pivot.
 
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I just don't get taking the Jaylon Smith risk in the draft when we already had a LB with staying healthy issues in Sean Lee. Can't afford those risks at the same position.
 
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I just don't get taking the Jaylon Smith risk in the draft when we already had a LB with staying healthy issues in Sean Lee. Can't afford those risks at the same position.
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Jerry was trying to be cute, he thought he outsmarted everybody, when he was the one that was the fool. There were plenty players taken after him that are balling now (Myles jack, and Noah Spence come to mind, and thats just the LB position). But were stuck with the "Savior" Jaylon Smith.
 
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If I've said it once, I've said it a million times and nobody has ever successfully refuted this...

This isn't a league about having a 'magic eye for talent.' It's a league about a HC being able to create an environment that consistently does a good job of developing talent.

I actually think that's Garrett's strong suit, but he hamstrings himself with his inability to make the schemes more complicated and inability to adjust along with his poor clock management and in-game decision making.

Chaz Green was a projected 3rd round pick by most every team in the league. We didn't reach for him.

Y'know who people thought we reached for?

Travis Frederick.

But, we did a far better job with developing Frederick. Green, OTOH, we moved to LG this season and he was only serviceable at the spot. Outside of yesterday, Green has played well at OT. But, he looked like a guard trying to play LT with his technique. That was a poor decision by the coaching staff along with Green being unable to stay healthy. Not some poor pick that we reached on or we didn't do our homework and didn't realize he was a head case (i.e. Gregory).

The same is happening with Jaylon. He wasn't ready to play this much and he may not be a MIKE backer as he mostly played the WILL in college.

But having said that, for such 'poor drafting' 10 of our 11 starters are homegrown talent (Cooper being the lone guy) and we have one of the top offenses in the league with an O-Line that was playing the best of any O-line in the league in the 4 games prior to Atlanta.

We seem to understand how to develop talent, but when an injury is thrown in there and people have to change positions, we seem to botch everything by trying to get players playing out of position.




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