So...What do you think of the groceries BP has been buying

[MissionCoach]

We all remember the infamous BP quote ... “If they're going to ask you to cook the meal, they ought to let you buy the groceries.”

Well Parcells has been buying the groceries here in Dallas since he became the Head Coach in 2003.

Other than the TOmatoes for the salad...it appears that Big Bill has done most, if not all of the grocery shopping.

I think it would be safe to say with the players he has brought in, that the team is at least respectable now...or at least had been prior to the NO and Philly debacles.

Many fans seem to think that the problem with this team is the coaches, the playcalling and the schemes...

Curious what ya'll think of the groceries that BP has bought over the past few years???

 

[theogt]

Don't hate the players, hate the scheme.

 

[MissionCoach]

Don't hate the players, hate the scheme.

I think it's game...so what do you think of the players?

 

[VA Cowboy]

Either the majority of them suck, or it's the coaching.

I don't think we've missed on that many of them. The problem is bigger than a lack of talent.

 

[theogt]

I think it's game...so what do you think of the players?

It was a play on the phrase. I think the players are fine with 1-2 exceptions. We have a lot of talent on defense.

 

[superpunk]

He has failed along the lines. His crowning achievement along either line was Jason Ferguson, and I believe he found him in the 7th round. Spears and Canty are failures thus far, although I don't feel like burying them after only two years, it's tough not to when they are regressing, instead of showing signs of progress.

He has done well at LB. And in the secondary, even though he's ignored the FS position. Watkins is a talented kid, tho, so we'll see.

Again with the lines, nearly all of his draft picks have been failures. Kosier has been a nice surprise, as has Colombo, but it's taken 4 years, and free agents. Oh well, at least that seems addressed, for the present. RG is a terrible eyesore, but I don't think we could have predicted Rivera being this bad. It was a good effort.

That's all, IMO. If he hadn't failed so badly at the DE spot, this would be a much more dangerous defense.

 

[theogt]

He has failed along the lines. His crowning achievement along either line was Jason Ferguson, and I believe he found him in the 7th round. Spears and Canty are failures thus far, although I don't feel like burying them after only two years, it's tough not to when they are regressing, instead of showing signs of progress.

He has done well at LB. And in the secondary, even though he's ignored the FS position. Watkins is a talented kid, tho, so we'll see.

Again with the lines, nearly all of his draft picks have been failures. Kosier has been a nice surprise, as has Colombo, but it's taken 4 years, and free agents. Oh well, at least that seems addressed, for the present. RG is a terrible eyesore, but I don't think we could have predicted Rivera being this bad. It was a good effort.

That's all, IMO. If he hadn't failed so badly at the DE spot, this would be a much more dangerous defense.

The problem is that I just don't know whether Canty/Spears are failures or not. There's that Canty (or was it Spears?) quote about not being allowed to rush the QB and being required to just sit and clog a gap. Every time I see us getting no pressure up the middle on a 2nd down pass play it makes me wonder whether the ends are not doing their job or if they're actually doing just that - their job.

I hate to use scheme as a panacea so often, but it may be the real problem.

 

[superpunk]

The problem is that I just don't know whether Canty/Spears are failures or not. There's that Canty (or was it Spears?) quote about not being allowed to rush the QB and being required to just sit and clog a gap. Every time I see us getting no pressure up the middle on a 2nd down pass play it makes me wonder whether the ends aren't doing their job or whether they're actually doing just that - their job.

It's a tougher defense playing a two-gap role along the line, there is no doubt about that. It's alot harder for players to mind their responsibility, play the run first, and then get upfield if the Oline is already out of their stance. The problem is, even if they are "doing" their job, they're not currently "doing" their job. We can't stop anything. After two years, they should at least be comfortable with their gap responsibilities, and be progressing.

They're headed in the other direction. That's why i view them currently as failures.

 

[wileedog]

The problem is that I just don't know whether Canty/Spears are failures or not. There's that Canty (or was it Spears?) quote about not being allowed to rush the QB and being required to just sit and clog a gap. Every time I see us getting no pressure up the middle on a 2nd down pass play it makes me wonder whether the ends are not doing their job or if they're actually doing just that - their job.

When Bill is harping on the pass rush week after week and lately pointing out specifically Spears and Canty I have a hard time believing that quote is true. He can't be telling his lineman just to fill a gap and then criticizing them for not generating a pass rush.

 

[Doomsday]

Don't hate the players, hate the scheme.

Its not all scheme, I cant remember the last time Spears or Canty made a play with a good pass rush.

 

[theogt]

It's a tougher defense playing a two-gap role along the line, there is no doubt about that. It's alot harder for players to mind their responsibility, play the run first, and then get upfield if the Oline is already out of their stance. The problem is, even if they are "doing" their job, they're not currently "doing" their job. We can't stop anything. After two years, they should at least be comfortable with their gap responsibilities, and be progressing.

They're headed in the other direction. That's why i view them currently as failures.

Well, they can tell immediately whether it's a run or pass unless it's a draw of some kind. It really sounded like Canty was saying that even when it was a pass and they recognized it was a pass, they were not allowed to "pin their ears back."

 

[superpunk]

Well, they can tell immediately whether it's a run or pass unless it's a draw of some kind. It really sounded like Canty was saying that even when it was a pass and they recognized it was a pass, they were not allowed to "pin their ears back."

Do you see them move anyone when they do go at it? Even a little? I don't. It's a rarity.

 

[MONT17]

at some point players have to take over... yeah they are doing what they are told but when they see a play to be made they make it!!!

The only time I yelled at the TV this year was the Philly game... where Ware caused a fumble on Garcia... Not 1 Cowboy DL even went for the ball... I dont even think they saw the play it was like Ware was playing by himself!!!

I was yelling give the man some help... Ware made the play that could have turn the game around but the rest of the D had no clue!!!


Playoffs...

 

[theogt]

Its not all scheme, I cant remember the last time Spears or Canty made a play with a good pass rush.

You haven't been watching, then. Ware's INT two weeks ago was because of pressure by Canty.

 

[Cbz40]

If it's a lack of talent.....then we are in big trouble. Someone really messed in the mess kit somewhere.

Rebuilding the D to a 3/4 scheme w/one player (Ware) that can rush the QB.....That's absolutely absorb.

Sorry I can't believe those in charge of buying the groceries are that dumb; therefore it must be the coaching...Gawd I hope that's what it is.

 

[theogt]

Do you see them move anyone when they do go at it? Even a little? I don't. It's a rarity.

If you watch closely you can tell when they're either attempting to get to the QB or they're just staying put holding their position. Either (1) they're taking plays off, (2) they're just doing what they're told, or (3) they really really really suck, but all of a sudden don't suck on other plays.

The first one is a real possibility. The second seems to be what Canty was trying to say. The third option would have to be what this thread is about. I don't think that's the case.

 

[superpunk]

If you watch closely you can tell when they're either attempting to get to the QB or they're just staying put holding their position. Either (1) they're taking plays off, (2) they're just doing what they're told, or (3) they really really really suck, but all of a sudden don't suck on other plays.

The first one is a real possibility. The second seems to be what Canty was trying to say. The third option would have to be what this thread is about. I don't think that's the case.

Everyone gets lucky once in a while. I can honestly say I see no consistency out of either one when it comes to creating pressure. I can't blame the scheme when I watch them get dominated by the Guards and tackles in front of them, while Ware dominates his man.

 

[theogt]

Everyone gets lucky once in a while. I can honestly say I see no consistency out of either one when it comes to creating pressure. I can't blame the scheme when I watch them get dominated by the Guards and tackles in front of them, while Ware dominates his man.

Well, my position is that it's possible they're not getting dominated but are actually doing exactly what they're told. I don't really know which is the case. I have my suspicions, though.

 

[superpunk]

Well, my position is that it's possible they're not getting dominated but are actually doing exactly what they're told. I don't really know which is the case. I have my suspicions, though.

So Zimmer sends them out with instructions to get dominated?

jk....The blame goes both ways. This thread isn't about coaching though. I can't make excuses for players who rarely win their individual matchups, and rarely create pressure.

 

[MissionCoach]

So Zimmer sends them out with instructions to get dominated?

jk....The blame goes both ways. This thread isn't about coaching though. I can't make excuses for players who rarely win their individual matchups, and rarely create pressure.

I started the thread...I'm home with the flu, bored out of my mind...got the lap top out, sprawled out on the couch waiting for the bama game at 4:30...and was trying to think of some interesting topics for discussion.

Lots of knowledgable fans on this site with great info...and I was really wondering what some of you thought about the draft picks and FA's that BP has brought in...