So who do we want to win between ATL and TB, Saturday?

Qwickdraw · Dec 22, 2005

Who do we want to win between ATL and TB, Saturday?

My head is spinning...

Assuming we win @Carolina.

Murph80 · Dec 22, 2005

Atlanta

burmafrd · Dec 22, 2005

Actually we want Minn and Atlanta and the Skins to lose. TB will probably get the first WC slot anyway. The other 3 are our main competitors for the other WC slot.

Chuck 54 · Dec 22, 2005

The most important thing is that the Skins HAVE to lose....If the Skins win out, we're not going to the playoffs no matter what we do, barring some other teams going 0-2 against crappy teams...won't happen. The Skins are the closest team to us that have all the tie breakers over us no matter what happens. At least that's how I've seen it reported.

Qwickdraw · Dec 22, 2005

Actually, I believe I figured it out.

We want ATL to win because we hold the tiebreaker over ATL but NOT over TB.

Therefor, we could tie with ATL and still get in but we need to be a game up on TB so they need to lose 1 more than us.

This is all assuming of course that we win out and the Skins lose at least one.

We also want CHI to win against GB this week and win their division.
And we want the Vikings to lose.

Hostile · Dec 22, 2005

burmafrd said:
Actually we want Minn and Atlanta and the Skins to lose. TB will probably get the first WC slot anyway. The other 3 are our main competitors for the other WC slot.

You nailed it.

Qwickdraw · Dec 22, 2005

So I guess we want ATL to lose because the odds of TB losing at home to ATL and the Saints are unlikely. (we'd need them to lose out)

okay.

Hostile · Dec 22, 2005

Qwickdraw said:
So I guess we want ATL to lose because the odds of TB losing at home to ATL and the Saints are unlikely. (we'd need them to lose out)

okay.

For right now, we cannot worry about any team ahead of us.

Washington is worry #1. We have to have a better record than them or virtually no shot.

Atlanta and Minnesota are the next 2 major hurdles. If Atlanta beats Tampa all it really does is put another potential hurdle in our path because there are more outs. If Tampa wins they hurt Atlanta's chance to take a spot from us. Fewer hurdles in other words. Same is true with Minny.

jksmith269 · Dec 22, 2005

Qwickdraw said:
Actually, I believe I figured it out.

We want ATL to win because we hold the tiebreaker over ATL but NOT over TB.

Therefor, we could tie with ATL and still get in but we need to be a game up on TB so they need to lose 1 more than us.

This is all assuming of course that we win out and the Skins lose at least one.

We also want CHI to win against GB this week and win their division.
And we want the Vikings to lose.

I thought if the Bucs lose we hold the TB against them with strength of sched? If thats the case we'd want Atl to win which would put us all in a tie and we have the TB against all of them with Strength of sched. we should also be pulling for NYG and just for good measure Baltimore.

lspain1 · Dec 22, 2005

Frankly, if we beat Carolina, I'll be so happy I won't care who won elsewhere. If we don't, it won't matter to me either.

Qwickdraw · Dec 22, 2005

Is it possible for Washingotn, Dallas and NY to all make the playoffs?

CrazyCowboy · Dec 22, 2005

I just want Dallas to win first......the rest will take care of itself!

Compacity · Dec 22, 2005

Dallas,Atlanta, Chicago, and New York<Teams we want to win...

jksmith269 · Dec 22, 2005

Qwickdraw said:
Is it possible for Washingotn, Dallas and NY to all make the playoffs?

Yes it is.

AmericasTeam31 · Dec 22, 2005

Qwickdraw said:
Is it possible for Washingotn, Dallas and NY to all make the playoffs?

Yeah, but it would take TB losing out and both of us winning out......... TB has a head to head tiebreaker over Washington, so if it's a three way tie with us and TB and Wash., then TB and Wash will go and we'll be sitting at home.....

Richmond Cowboy · Dec 22, 2005

Qwickdraw said:
Is it possible for Washingotn, Dallas and NY to all make the playoffs?

We own the tie breaker vs TB so we absolutely want them to lose to Atl because as we stand now if we win out and either Atl or Was loses we will take their wildcard spot. If Atl loses, it only really helps us if we lose again because we would still own the tie breaker against them but then too much else would need to happen for us to get in so to summarize:

Assuming we win out
- If TB loses one, we own the tie breaker and would assume the 6th spot
while Was would move up to the 5th seed (assuming they win)
- If Was loses one, we take the 6th seed (assuming TB wins)

So, we need to win and either TB or Was lose one game.

AmericasTeam31 · Dec 22, 2005

Richmond Cowboy said:
We own the tie breaker vs TB so we absolutely want them to lose to Atl because as we stand now if we win out and either Atl or Was loses we will take their wildcard spot. If Atl loses, it only really helps us if we lose again because we would still own the tie breaker against them but then too much else would need to happen for us to get in so to summarize:

Assuming we win out
- If TB loses one, we own the tie breaker and would assume the 6th spot
while Was would move up to the 5th seed (assuming they win)
- If Was loses one, we take the 6th seed (assuming TB wins)

So, we need to win and either TB or Was lose one game.

That's not correct....
1. If Tampa loses one they will be tied with us and Washington, assuming we both win. Washington would eliminate us from that tiebreaker (for the #5 spot) and TB holds the head to head tiebreaker over Washington (the only bad thing that comes from a Washington loss) Then Washington would eliminate us from the tiebreaker for the #6 spot.
2. If we win vs. Carolina, and Washington loses to NY, and TB loses to Atl. that would put us in a teibreaker with TB only, we didn't play them so there's no head to head game, we'd both be 7-3 in the division, and common games records would be 3-2, right now our SOV rating is .001 better, but that should improve with a win vs. Carolina and we'd have the tiebreaker for now....

Richmond Cowboy · Dec 22, 2005

AmericasTeam31 said:
That's not correct....
1. If Tampa loses one they will be tied with us and Washington, assuming we both win. Washington would eliminate us from that tiebreaker (for the #5 spot) and TB holds the head to head tiebreaker over Washington (the only bad thing that comes from a Washington loss) Then Washington would eliminate us from the tiebreaker for the #6 spot.
2. If we win vs. Carolina, and Washington loses to NY, and TB loses to Atl. that would put us in a teibreaker with TB only, we didn't play them so there's no head to head game, we'd both be 7-3 in the division, and common games records would be 3-2, right now our SOV rating is .001 better, but that should improve with a win vs. Carolina and we'd have the tiebreaker for now....

I stand corrected, but TB losing would help us more than Atl losing in the event that we end up in a tie breaker with them correct?

AmericasTeam31 · Dec 22, 2005

Only if Washington loses....they are the biggest key (other than us winning out) to us getting into the playoffs. So as usual guys, root against the Commanders, that's not so hard is it?

TruBlueCowboy · Dec 22, 2005

Here ya go fellas, to clear up the confusion:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44180

I wrote this thread and it was proofed by Adam, so you know it's right.

All the tiebreaker scenarios in this thing.

So who do we want to win between ATL and TB, Saturday?

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