So who do you officially want gone?

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Just curious where the majority stands...

A. Parcells only
B. Zimmer only
C. TO only
D. Parcells and Zimmer
E. Parcells and TO
F. Zimmer and TO
G. Parcells, Zimmer, and TO

Greatly appreciated if someone can turn this into a poll. Not sure how to do it.
 

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austintodallas;1281717 said:
Just curious where the majority stands...

A. Parcells only
B. Zimmer only
C. TO only
D. Parcells and Zimmer
E. Parcells and TO
F. Zimmer and TO
G. Parcells, Zimmer, and TO

Greatly appreciated if someone can turn this into a poll. Not sure how to do it.

H. All of the above + Jerry Jones:starspin
 

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I don't want anyone gone I just want this team to get things turned around.
 

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I would mostly say just Zimmer - but with the way the team has looked, businesslike, no excitement - I might have to sour on Parcells, as well. The rub is, that currently our offense is thrilling, and I believe the shakeup with Palmer, Sporano and Haley is good for the team. They're strong personalities with strong ideas who push Parcells out of a comfort zone. Zimmer strikes me as a ventriloquist puppet with Parcells' hand up his behind. All coaches need coordinators who will push THEIR ideas to the head coach, keep things fresh and innovative. Zimmer seems to be a yes-man just running Parcells' scheme in a scaredy-cat manner. As a head coach, Parcells doesn't have time to be innovative, and Zimmer certainly isn't. I think a defensive shakeup is in order. If that doesn';t work, the head's gotta go.
 

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Doomsday101;1281733 said:
I don't want anyone gone I just want this team to get things turned around.

Things are going so well under the status quo :laugh1:
 

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F, Zimmer and TO. I was sure hoping TO would work out even though I was against the signing, but I'm afraid he's just not worth it.
 

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Bach;1281755 said:
Things are going so well under the status quo :laugh1:

I did not say things were going well and I relize it is easier to fire 1 than it is 11 but I don't think the staff draws up game plans with players blowing assignments in mind. If Parcells remains next season and chooses to change DC then so be it but what I'm seeing has more to do with players than coaches.
 

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the whole coaching staff

TO
Glenn
get some youth, the old guys are breaking down

flozell
rivera
again old and not very good anymore at all

spears
major bust

henry
body is breaking down
 

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superpunk;1281749 said:
I would mostly say just Zimmer - but with the way the team has looked, businesslike, no excitement - I might have to sour on Parcells, as well. The rub is, that currently our offense is thrilling, and I believe the shakeup with Palmer, Sporano and Haley is good for the team. They're strong personalities with strong ideas who push Parcells out of a comfort zone. Zimmer strikes me as a ventriloquist puppet with Parcells' hand up his behind. All coaches need coordinators who will push THEIR ideas to the head coach, keep things fresh and innovative. Zimmer seems to be a yes-man just running Parcells' scheme in a scaredy-cat manner. As a head coach, Parcells doesn't have time to be innovative, and Zimmer certainly isn't. I think a defensive shakeup is in order. If that doesn';t work, the head's gotta go.

Good post.
 

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superpunk;1281749 said:
I would mostly say just Zimmer - but with the way the team has looked, businesslike, no excitement - I might have to sour on Parcells, as well. The rub is, that currently our offense is thrilling, and I believe the shakeup with Palmer, Sporano and Haley is good for the team. They're strong personalities with strong ideas who push Parcells out of a comfort zone. Zimmer strikes me as a ventriloquist puppet with Parcells' hand up his behind. All coaches need coordinators who will push THEIR ideas to the head coach, keep things fresh and innovative. Zimmer seems to be a yes-man just running Parcells' scheme in a scaredy-cat manner. As a head coach, Parcells doesn't have time to be innovative, and Zimmer certainly isn't. I think a defensive shakeup is in order. If that doesn';t work, the head's gotta go.

well if zimmer has to be a yes-man, why do all of you complain about him? if he's answering to parcells , then should people be complaining about parcells, and his lack of compromise? i think fans put too much fault on zimmer, and i say this because he to stay inside of parcells parameters.

to me it seems parcells has a bunch of coaches that have too many ideas and he has his own set of ideas with no compromise. its his way or the highway. and thats negating this teams talent.
 

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Doomsday101;1281759 said:
I did not say things were going well and I relize it is easier to fire 1 than it is 11 but I don't think the staff draws up game plans with players blowing assignments in mind. If Parcells remains next season and chooses to change DC then so be it but what I'm seeing has more to do with players than coaches.

The coaches never play. So the excuse of, "the coach didn't blow an assignment, etc" doesn't fly. If the coaches are so irrelevant, then why even have em?

Now there is a balance between the players and the coaches and the amount of blame or credit each should receive. But I don't see it as just the players out there doing their own thing.

There's a trend of us losing more in December than we win for the last four years. There's a trend of our defense, regardless of how many #1 picks we add to it, continually to play vanilla and uninspired. That seems to suggest it's more than just the players.

Obviously, what's going to happen will happen in regards to the staff. But as a point of discussion, it seems obvious changes need to be made, most notably the DC and if he just isn't allowed the freedom to do what he really wants, then that should fall on the HC and he needs to leave.

The last thing we need is status quo and another repeat of barely making/missing the playoffs.
 

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LatinMind;1281771 said:
well if zimmer has to be a yes-man, why do all of you complain about him? if he's answering to parcells , then should people be complaining about parcells, and his lack of compromise? i think fans put too much fault on zimmer, and i say this because he to stay inside of parcells parameters.

to me it seems parcells has a bunch of coaches that have too many ideas and he has his own set of ideas with no compromise. its his way or the highway. and thats negating this teams talent.

They all answer to Parcells. That doesn't mean they can't take risks, push their ideas on Parcells, make more aggressive calls with confidence. This is clear looking at the offensive staff's makeover from one year to another. Zimmer won't do it, or he has no ideas. Either way, that doesn't equate to innovative football. Parcells gave him the principles and the building blocks - he's done nothing spectacular with them.
 

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superpunk;1281777 said:
They all answer to Parcells. That doesn't mean they can't take risks, push their ideas on Parcells, make more aggressive calls with confidence. This is clear looking at the offensive staff's makeover from one year to another. Zimmer won't do it, or he has no ideas. Either way, that doesn't equate to innovative football. Parcells gave him the principles and the building blocks - he's done nothing spectacular with them.

does parcells look like the kind of guy who will let get pushed with ideas? the same guy who punched a coach on national tv for talking to a ref?
 

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LatinMind;1281780 said:
does parcells look like the kind of guy who will let get pushed with ideas? the same guy who punched a coach on national tv for talking to a ref?

Clearly he has allowed his offensive staff to innovate. There's no reason he wouldn't allow the defensive staff to do the same, if they had any ideas worth a damn.
 

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VA Cowboy;1281773 said:
The coaches never play. So the excuse of, "the coach didn't blow an assignment, etc" doesn't fly. If the coaches are so irrelevant, then why even have em?

Now there is a balance between the players and the coaches and the amount of blame or credit each should receive. But I don't see it as just the players out there doing their own thing.

There's a trend of us losing more in December than we win for the last four years. There's a trend of our defense, regardless of how many #1 picks we add to it, continually to play vanilla and uninspired. That seems to suggest it's more than just the players.

Obviously, what's going to happen will happen in regards to the staff. But as a point of discussion, it seems obvious changes need to be made, most notably the DC and if he just isn't allowed the freedom to do what he really wants, then that should fall on the HC and he needs to leave.

The last thing we need is status quo and another repeat of barely making/missing the playoffs.

If Parcells choose to change DC then I have no issue with that however when I see player bust their assignments I know the players are responsible for their play. Now the coach can bench guys who are busting their assingments or keep trying to get them to understand. In the end I agree the coach bears the responsiblity but the players still must go out and execute and I honestly can't say that players are doing that now when I see players biting on double moves or leaving guys wideopen. Parcells and Zimmer are not doing that nor did they draw up a defense for that to take place. If you think I'm saying the coaches do not bear any blame your wrong but if you think the players are executing as they should and it is all on the coach your wrong.
 
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