Some next year stuffs

[NeonDeion21]

With Garrett as the HC and a full training camp, a healthy Romo coming back, and a few new starters on the right side of our O-Line, you will see a totally different team.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

How is this the post of the day? Getting rid of Pacman, Owens and Tank did not set the team back at all. After they were cut, the team won it's first playoff game. The point of the post is there needs to be more fat trimmed off this roster. If we keep all of these guys, don't be so sure that they won't eventually quit on Garrett either like they did Wade. They did it once. Again people are not talking about the entire roster. They are talking about the 5 or 6 guys who consistently play lazy stupid football.

I could swear I said signing players like that set the team back.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

With Garrett as the HC and a full training camp, a healthy Romo coming back, and a few new starters on the right side of our O-Line, you will see a totally different team.

We need to bank on this. Because this is going to happen IMOP.

 

[clutch88]

Sorry Beast, but you and others who want to gut the team are just flat out wrong. Progress is about steady improvement, not drastic over reaction. You cannot erase the entire chemistry of a team and succeed. It cannot be done. Impossible. Bad idea. Dumb idea.

No one ever confused the cowboys with having chemistry, but if you don't see the need to git rid of the virus of losers on this team then good for you. But this is the DALLAS COWBOYS were talking about not some average franchise. Excuses and stats are for LOSERS.

 

[big dog cowboy]

With Garrett as the HC and a full training camp, a healthy Romo coming back, and a few new starters on the right side of our O-Line, you will see a totally different team.

I agree but then again there is little doubt of that being true.

Think about this - rewind time back 4 months ago. What if we had Garrett leading this team into training camp. Do you think our record would be 3-8 right now? JMO but that answer is NO. Even the way our OL and secondary have been exposed we would be far better off.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Sorry Beast, but you and others who want to gut the team are just flat out wrong. Progress is about steady improvement, not drastic over reaction. You cannot erase the entire chemistry of a team and succeed. It cannot be done. Impossible. Bad idea. Dumb idea.

So you got not problem with Ball, Sensy, Gurode, Bigg, Colombo, ect....


Wow, I guess you and me have been watching different games this year.

 

[Hostile]

So you got not problem with Ball, Sensy, Gurode, Bigg, Colombo, ect....


Wow, I guess you and me have been watching different games this year.

Please don't waste my time with this drivel. If you want to actually discuss the topics with me, fine. But I don't play these wow games.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Please don't waste my time with this drivel. If you want to actually discuss the topics with me, fine. But I don't play these wow games.

See my previous post, I laid out in detail why each player needs to go and you responed with bad idea, dumb idea.


You never responed with "why they shoud stay", you just said bad idea, dumb idea, and something about steady progress. Sounds like the "continuity" line Jerry kept giving last offseason.

Either way, I posted in detail why each player needed to go. If you want to discuss those, feel free, otherwise nothing else to debate.

 

[Hostile]

See my previous post, I laid out in detail why each player needs to go and you responed with bad idea, dumb idea.


You never responed with "why they shoud stay", you just said bad idea, dumb idea, and something about steady progress. Sounds like the "continuity" line Jerry kept giving last offseason.

Either way, I posted in detail why each player needed to go. If you want to discuss those, feel free, otherwise nothing else to debate.

I repeat, gutting a team has never in History moved it forward. Ever.

Change has to be steady, pointed, focused, and you still need a little luck to fall on your side.

Please show me any team in History that gutted itself and suddenly was a winner. Just one.

That, and only that, is my commentary about bad and dumb idea. Please, prove me wrong.

 

[DallasEast]

I repeat, gutting a team has never in History moved it forward. Ever.

Change has to be steady, pointed, focused, and you still need a little luck to fall on your side.

Please show me any team in History that gutted itself and suddenly was a winner. Just one.

That, and only that, is my commentary about bad and dumb idea. Please, prove me wrong.

The Minnesota Vikings and the Herschel Walker trade.

oh wait.

 

[Hostile]

The Minnesota Vikings and the Herschel Walker trade.

oh wait.

:laugh2:

 

[jamesdojr]

I don't see his legitimate question as "drivel". I see it as a question you really can't answer intelligently. You supposedly have pride in the Cowboys but you want underperforming quitters representing your team - representing the star.

Rather than ripping everyone elses posts/opinion, tell me how you plan to make underperforming quitters play hard if you're not going to cut guys who need to be cut. Legit question...

BTW, Jerry Jones said after the Packers game that people were going to start becoming accountable. That there were real culture problems, AND that there would be multiple players, and coaches held accountable for the 1-7 start. That significant changes were in store. And he said IT WOULD NOT JUST BE WADE PHILLIPS. So apparently he sees the same thing we do.

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Please don't waste my time with this drivel. If you want to actually discuss the topics with me, fine. But I don't play these wow games.

 

[jamesdojr]

Replacing Barber with Choice, Roy with Dez, Scandrick with McCann, signing a couple of key free agents and starting your first round draft pick is NOT gutting the team. It's called life in the free agent world of football. Jeeez.

LISTEN!

Romo would still be there. Kitna, Dez is still there, Witten, Austin, Kosier, Gurode, Jones, Choice, Free, Hurd, Bennett, Newman, McCann, Jenkins, Ratliff, Spencer, Ware, James, Brookings, Lee, Butler, Buehler, Spears, Bowens, McBriar, Brent... C'mon man!!!

:bang2:

We're talking about underperformers. Not guys who are playing the best that they can. The guys who are not playing the best that they can. YOu can seriously make a case that they need to be back next year representing the Dallas Cowboys?
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I repeat, gutting a team has never in History moved it forward. Ever.

Change has to be steady, pointed, focused, and you still need a little luck to fall on your side.

Please show me any team in History that gutted itself and suddenly was a winner. Just one.

That, and only that, is my commentary about bad and dumb idea. Please, prove me wrong.

 

[Hostile]

I don't see his legitimate question as "drivel". I see it as a question you really can't answer intelligently. You supposedly have pride in the Cowboys but you want underperforming quitters representing your team - representing the star.

His question was drivel. Make no mistake about it. He wants to assign me an opinion rather than discuss it. That is the essence of drivel. Sort of like the last line above where you assign me an opinion.

Rather than ripping everyone elses posts/opinion, tell me how you plan to make underperforming quitters play hard if you're not going to cut guys who need to be cut. Legit question...

How I plan to? Where do you get the idea I have input? I promise you I don't.

Is it absolutely impossible for the Dallas Cowboys to analyze players differently than the fans do? Because I do not remember them ever classifying anyone as an underachieving quitter.

Maybe, just maybe, if you read what I actually do say closely enough you'll grasp that I continue to maintain change is not emotion based.

Again, gutting a team has never moved it forward. I stand on this, unmoved. His words on the team are to gut it. His words. Not mine.

BTW, Jerry Jones said after the Packers game that people were going to start becoming accountable. That there were real culture problems, AND that there would be multiple players, and coaches held accountable for the 1-7 start. That significant changes were in store. And he said IT WOULD NOT JUST BE WADE PHILLIPS. So apparently he sees the same thing we do.

This does not contradict me at all. If anything, it ratifies what I have already said.

 

[LUVDABOYS]

Sorry about the Witten misunderstanding, I skimmed through most of this thread.
I guess I just find human nature to be that if you don't have to work hard you don't. Phillips set the tone for these players, they followed their leader.

To make it worse Jones coddles these guys. I'm hoping (yet again) that Jones has learned that giving players pacifiers isn't going to work.

I'm also hoping (yet again) that Jones is seeing what I'm seeing, that a coach with some fire will do better if he's left to do what he does.
Maybe I'm missing it but I haven't seen to much about Jones interfering or putting his mug on tv lately. If Garret is lighting the fire and Jones stops putting it out I don't think we need to many players replaced. I think they will eventually catch on that they need to play to the top of their abilities.

One change I would love to see though is a center who can not only block but snaps the ball at the right time once in a while.

Gurod really hasnt been doing that a lot lately, the Saints game is the only time this year I've noticed him blowing the snaps. I dont know, I'm struggling with the idea of getting rid of a guy who does what he does to Haynesworth and is capable of blowing out the middle like he did against the Saints. Gurod has his issues some times, but he's still too good most of the time for me to give up on.

 

[snapper]

I think it would be fair to assume that a lot of these guys we feel are underperforming can improve. For whatever reason, the culture under Phillips did not encourage individual growth and improvement.

I'd give Garrett the rest of the season and an off-season to allow these so-called talented players the opportunity to buy into what it takes to win before I send them packing. At the same time, however, I'd try and improve the talent through the draft, free agency, and internal development.

 

[jamesdojr]

Neither of us have input. But you have a stance and I have a different one. I didn't ask how you are going to fix it. I asked how you would. And I STILL haven't heard an intelligent defense to your stance. My conclusion is you just want to argue and your response above is nothing more than a dodge - and a bad one at that.

Question stands:

How do you hold underachieving players accountable if you're not ever willing to replace or bench the ones who need to be replaced or benched?

Whether you hate the question or not, it's the point I'm trying to get to... This is a talented team that is 3-8. Players, coaches, media, fans have all acknowledged that this team underperformed. There are 5-6 guys on this team that stand out above the rest. And you prefer that they all come back next year...?

That my friend is moronic....

Lastly, teams replace 3-4 starters all the time. It's not gutting your team - especially when your'e talking about Oline and DBs. It's called improving your team.... And if there are opportunities to improve your team in Free Agency and the draft, then you you cut the underperformers on your team and make the improvement.
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His question was drivel. Make no mistake about it. He wants to assign me an opinion rather than discuss it. That is the essence of drivel. Sort of like the last line above where you assign me an opinion.

How I plan to? Where do you get the idea I have input? I promise you I don't.

Is it absolutely impossible for the Dallas Cowboys to analyze players differently than the fans do? Because I do not remember them ever classifying anyone as an underachieving quitter.

Maybe, just maybe, if you read what I actually do say closely enough you'll grasp that I continue to maintain change is not emotion based.

Again, gutting a team has never moved it forward. I stand on this, unmoved. His words on the team are to gut it. His words. Not mine.

This does not contradict me at all. If anything, it ratifies what I have already said.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I repeat, gutting a team has never in History moved it forward. Ever.

Change has to be steady, pointed, focused, and you still need a little luck to fall on your side.

Please show me any team in History that gutted itself and suddenly was a winner. Just one.

That, and only that, is my commentary about bad and dumb idea. Please, prove me wrong.

*****If you want one team that made changes and is currently a winner, check out the New York Jets. They are 9-2, best record in the league, and they only have 33 players on their 53 man roster that were on their roster in week 17 of last season. They added 20 new players to their roster, that is 38% roster turnover. I would consider changing almost 40% of your roster gutting, wouldnt you?****

 

[Hostile]

*****If you want one team that made changes and is currently a winner, check out the New York Jets. They are 9-2, best record in the league, and they only have 33 players on their 53 man roster that were on their roster in week 17 of last season. They added 20 new players to their roster, that is 38% roster turnover. I would consider changing almost 40% of your roster gutting, wouldnt you?****

There is literally no way on this earth that I am going to read that eye sore. You wasted your time with the "look at me" bold and underline.

 

[28 Joker]

LeRoy Harris LG Tennessee Titans

I'm telling all of you to remember that name. He can play all three interior line positions, and he is very strong and athletic. He is on the rise, and Jeff Fisher may be on the way out. He will not cost as much as Mankins, and he's young, has low miles, and is on the rise. Once signed, he's the best offensive linemen on the team.

Derek Sherrod LT Mississippi State Round 1

When Sherrod gets drafted in the 7-12 range, remember who told you. He's the perfect left tackle for the Cowboys, Steelers, Vikings, and Bears.

Mike Pouncy OG/C Florida Round 2

Another interior offensive linemen who can play guard and center. Good bye Leonard Davis, or possibly Gurode.

LT Derek Sherrod
LG LeRoy Harris
C Andre Gurode
LG Mike Pouncy
RT Doug Free

Get it done, Jerry.

This would be a huge upgrade, athletically and strength wise to this poor run blocking offensive line.

Broaddus stated in a chat that he wouldn't be shocked if Dallas drafted o-line for the first three picks.


With this offensive line, Felix Jones would run to the Pro Bowl.