Some next year stuffs

[Randy White]

Say we pick 9th and trade down a smidge
RB - Felix/Choice and Noel Devine (3rd rounder out of WV - is fast, small, and can catch. I want me a McCluster/Sproles)

I've been thinking about that since I first saw Devine waterbug his way a couple of years ago..

Keep in mind, though, this kid has some baggage. Not anything that's criminal, but he does have some issues.

 

[Randy White]

no reason to gut the team at all, but there's absolutely room for changes. I don't know if the changes will mean improvement, but these are changes that will have to be made. One of the obvious ones is amongst the D-line.

My idea would be as follow:

resign ONE of the following 3 DEs ( Spears, Bowens, or Hatcher ). My personal preferance would be Bowens beause of his experience and probably cheaper contract.

Move Josh Brent into the starting line up as a NG. Change Ratt to DE which would have 2 very positive outcomes: 1) it will extend his career. 2) it would help the pass rush from that position.

Have a DE rotation of Olshansky and Ratt, backed up by Bowens and Lissemore. Bring in a vet NG to back up Brent, or draft somebody with a later pick ( we have two 7th round draft picks - Dullphins and Chargers ) the same way we drafted Brent. Spears and Hatcher are talented, talented, players but if there's a new cap, they're going to be too expensive to keep.

DE: Ratt - Lissemore
NG: Brent - ???
DE: Olshansky - Bowens

There's room for a rookie project and a vet NG with that lineup.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Change your name... Is that on the list?

 

[Beast_from_East]

There is literally no way on this earth that I am going to read that eye sore. You wasted your time with the "look at me" bold and underline.

My apologizes if your eyes could not read the post, I have reposted in normal font for you. You asked for one example of where gutting a team helped move the team forward and I have provided you with one, The New York Jets.



If you want one team that made changes and is currently a winner, check out the New York Jets. They are 9-2, best record in the league, and they only have 33 players on their 53 man roster that were on their roster in week 17 of last season. They added 20 new players to their roster, that is 38% roster turnover. I would consider changing almost 40% of your roster gutting, wouldnt you?

 

[tupperware]

My apologizes if your eyes could not read the post, I have reposted in normal font for you. You asked for one example of where gutting a team helped move the team forward and I have provided you with one, The New York Jets.



If you want one team that made changes and is currently a winner, check out the New York Jets. They are 9-2, best record in the league, and they only have 33 players on their 53 man roster that were on their roster in week 17 of last season. They added 20 new players to their roster, that is 38% roster turnover. I would consider changing almost 40% of your roster gutting, wouldnt you?

That's pretty crazy, really.

 

[AdamJT13]

If you want one team that made changes and is currently a winner, check out the New York Jets. They are 9-2, best record in the league, and they only have 33 players on their 53 man roster that were on their roster in week 17 of last season. They added 20 new players to their roster, that is 38% roster turnover. I would consider changing almost 40% of your roster gutting, wouldnt you?

The Jets went into the season with 18 new players -- and almost all of them were backups. Antonio Cromartie is the only full-time starter they added in the offseason. They traded for Cromartie, signed a new kicker (Folk), signed a new snapper, kept four draft picks and added 11 players for depth. They acquired quality players to be BACKUPS or to compete for starting jobs -- LaDainian Tomlinson to back up Shonn Greene, Jason Taylor to be a situational rusher, Santonio Holmes to compete with Jerricho Cotchery, Mark Brunell to back up Mark Sanchez and Brodney Pool to compete with Eric Smith and Jim Leonhard.

They certainly didn't release a bunch of starters, add only one veteran player and hope that a bunch of rookies and backups could start for them, like some people think we should do.

 

[Patton]

If we don't have a new RG, RT, SS and FS in 2011, it's a failure of an offseason. There's a Christmas list of players I don't want to see on this team ever again, but that's not as realistic. I completely stand by wanting to see new players filling the positions I named above though.

 

[burmafrd]

How about getting both Leroy Harris and Logan Mankins and dumping Davis?
Keep Holland as a backup.

 

[Stautner]

Say we pick 9th and trade down a smidge

QB - Unchanged
RB - Felix/Choice and Noel Devine (3rd rounder out of WV - is fast, small, and can catch. I want me a McCluster/Sproles)
FB - Gronkowski
WR - Dez, a not crappy version of Miles, Roy still actually, Hurd, Holley
TE - Phillips, Bennet - I just traded Witten for a 2nd, deal w/ it.

LT - Free, Not Alex Barron
LG - Logan Mankins, Holland - I havent heard this cant happen yet
C - Kristofer O'Dowd (2nd round out of USC - White linemen w/ injury history out of USC, what can go wrong?) and Costa
RG - Andre Gurode, Marcus Cannon(3rd round out of TCU) - I know Gurode sucked at guard years ago, we will see.
RT - Sam Young, Jason Pinkston(5th rounder from Pitt. Knee surgery but maybe a steal))


DE - Bowen or Hatch, Spears, Brent-Price and a rookie - cut Igor and sign one of Bowen/Hatch
NT - Rat and Brent-Price

OLB - Ware, Spencer, Butler, Williams
ILB - Sean Lee, Bradie, Leon Williams, Barry Church a bit?(Brooking has to be done) and (Mike Mohamed 4th rounder out of Cal. Guys insanely productive)

CB - Jenkins, Newman, Brandon Harris (1st rounder from Da U!), McCann, Ball
FS - Deunta Williams, (Early 2nd rounder out of NC. Says here hes a safety prospect, Im scared of new things but Ill try it). AOA
SS - Barry Church, Danny McCray - I do not like Mr. Sensabaugh


ST: Buehler goes back to booming touchbakcs and we draft Kai Forbath/K/UCLA .28 for 31 in 2009. 19 of 22 in 2008. 25 of 30 in 2007

Coach: No to Norv as OC

Uniforms: Same



1st - Brandon Harris - CB/Da U
2nd - Deunta Williams - S/NC
(Thanks Witt!)2nd - Kristofer O'Dowd - C/USC
3rd - Marcus Cannon - G/TCU
(Trade downed for)3rd - Noel Devine RB/RS/WV
4th- Mike Mohamed -ILB/Cal
5th - Jason Pinkston - T/Pitt
(Crayton)6th - Kai Forbath/K/UCLA 28-of-31 in 2009
6th - Traded for a 5th next year
7th - a DE

Cutting: Barber, Davis, Sensy, Scandrick, Igor, Brooking - Most of these guys are old and slow. Some are dancing while down 40 points fools and some refuse to turn around as the ball is whizzing by their head

Som e of this makes a lot of sense, but some I'm left scratching my head over.

For example, a starting O-Line that includes a rookie at center, a prior bust at RG, and a completely unproven 2nd year guy at RT. I don't see the upgrade except at LG, where the upgrade is drmatic. At center and the right side you have taken huge gambles though.

I don't like trading Witten. We all like jumping on banwagons at times, but Phillips has just missed a year with a serious knee injury, and Bennett is chronically inconsistent, and it just isn't that easy to replace a periennial 900+ yard TE.

On defense, Lissimore should be in the picture on the line, and Church cannot be expected to gain 25-30 pounds and switch to ILB. How can a guy be listed at both ILB and SS anyway?

You have also taken big gambles at the safety positions. Not a proven guy in the bunch.

 

[Kangaroo]

Choice or barber need to be traded I do not care which one at this point if the team prefers Barber so be it trade Choice and pick up a cheap vet or another low round FA a cheap vet will at least know how to block, play special team and know their role.

Then we have our 2 back rotation who ever it is Felix and ?

We need two add at 3 veteran linemen to compete with the young guys

If Phil Costa can star at center maybe we can shift Groude over to Guard again and also be the backup center if an injury

Bigg will be gone at 8 mil salary if I remember correctly next year. I love for Kosier to be back but can he stay healthy ?

But at least 3 vet linemen to duke it out with brewster, Costa, bright and Young and who ever wins in camp should start and have our backups determined.

Ball does back to CB to compete we need 1-2 vet FS to come in and fight with AOA and who ever else we have pegged as a FS another vet SS as well and go from there

We have a lot of FA on the DE side Spears, Bowen and Hatcher are all FA we can not keep all 3 fact of life so someone has to go. If we get a big NT maybe move Rat to DE and rotate him to DT on some passing downs and rotate Brent and a blob at NT the rest of the game. Not sure Rat will want to play DE full time he has due to injuries this year

So we need to keep one of the three Spears, Bowen and Hatcher then Lassimore, Igor is staying because he is cheap and someone else

Bring in a Vet CB to fight with all the other guys

Draft BPA

We need two ILB that have some speed to compete with James, Lee and for Nickel back Duties as well

Hurd will be out at his price at wr look for a young WR to take that spot Olgtree will most likely be replaced as well hopefully one that can do kick and punt returns

 

[Dodger]

Witten isn't going anywhere. He produces, and he has several years left in the tank. Not happening.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Say we pick 9th and trade down a smidge

QB - Unchanged
RB - Felix/Choice and Noel Devine (3rd rounder out of WV - is fast, small, and can catch. I want me a McCluster/Sproles)
FB - Gronkowski
WR - Dez, a not crappy version of Miles, Roy still actually, Hurd, Holley
TE - Phillips, Bennet - I just traded Witten for a 2nd, deal w/ it.

LT - Free, Not Alex Barron
LG - Logan Mankins, Holland - I havent heard this cant happen yet
C - Kristofer O'Dowd (2nd round out of USC - White linemen w/ injury history out of USC, what can go wrong?) and Costa
RG - Andre Gurode, Marcus Cannon(3rd round out of TCU) - I know Gurode sucked at guard years ago, we will see.
RT - Sam Young, Jason Pinkston(5th rounder from Pitt. Knee surgery but maybe a steal))


DE - Bowen or Hatch, Spears, Brent-Price and a rookie - cut Igor and sign one of Bowen/Hatch
NT - Rat and Brent-Price

OLB - Ware, Spencer, Butler, Williams
ILB - Sean Lee, Bradie, Leon Williams, Barry Church a bit?(Brooking has to be done) and (Mike Mohamed 4th rounder out of Cal. Guys insanely productive)

CB - Jenkins, Newman, Brandon Harris (1st rounder from Da U!), McCann, Ball
FS - Deunta Williams, (Early 2nd rounder out of NC. Says here hes a safety prospect, Im scared of new things but Ill try it). AOA
SS - Barry Church, Danny McCray - I do not like Mr. Sensabaugh


ST: Buehler goes back to booming touchbakcs and we draft Kai Forbath/K/UCLA .28 for 31 in 2009. 19 of 22 in 2008. 25 of 30 in 2007

Coach: No to Norv as OC

Uniforms: Same



1st - Brandon Harris - CB/Da U
2nd - Deunta Williams - S/NC
(Thanks Witt!)2nd - Kristofer O'Dowd - C/USC
3rd - Marcus Cannon - G/TCU
(Trade downed for)3rd - Noel Devine RB/RS/WV
4th- Mike Mohamed -ILB/Cal
5th - Jason Pinkston - T/Pitt
(Crayton)6th - Kai Forbath/K/UCLA 28-of-31 in 2009
6th - Traded for a 5th next year
7th - a DE

Cutting: Barber, Davis, Sensy, Scandrick, Igor, Brooking - Most of these guys are old and slow. Some are dancing while down 40 points fools and some refuse to turn around as the ball is whizzing by their head

trading Witten, NUP.

 

[Shinywalrus]

If he won't, I will. The idea this team needs to be gutted is a serious lack of grasp of the game. I understand we're all mad about the season, but too many fans are over reacting. Becoming a champion has NEVER been about changing the roster.

EVER.

I think this is wrong. It doesn't HAVE to be about changing the roster. But it can be. Said another way, I agree that many fans are going overboard in thinking that we MUST make a change, but changing 6 or 7 starters is actually commonplace, even for teams that get to the Super Bowl.

The 2007 Pats, for instance, grabbed Welker and Moss, moved their TE Graham and LB Banta-Cain, as well as cutting stalwart Corey Dillon.

The Colts got over the hump in 2006, after swapping Edgerrin James for Joseph Addai, letting Larry Tripplet and David Thornton go in FA, swapping Vanderjagt for Vinatieri, and letting rookie Antoine Bethea start at safety.

And let's not forget the 2003 Panthers, who signed Delhomme and Davis before the 2003 season, who got the use of DeShaun Foster for the first time in 2003 (after being on IR), got 7 starts out of rookie Ricky Manning, Jr., installed rookie Jordan Gross at tackle, and got several starts out of rookie tight end Mike Seidman. And all this is one year, completing ignoring the draft just one year prior that brought the Panthers Will Witherspoon and Julius Peppers.

The Cowboys don't necessarily NEED to rebuild, but I don't know that swapping 6 or 7 starters and 10-15 roster positions is really rebuilding. It kind of seems to be par for the course, even for very successful teams.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I do the complete opposite. Keep the same core, except on the o-line

QB: Tony Romo, Jon Kinta, Stephen McGee
RB: Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, ???
FB: Chris Gronkowski
WR: Miles Austin, Kevin Ogletree, Jesse Holley
WR: Dez Bryant, Roy Williams, Sam Hurd
TE: Jason Witten, Maretellus Bennett, John Phillips
LT: Doug Free, Jeremy Parnell
LG: Michael Pouncey, Kyle Kosier
C: Andre Gurode, Phil Costa
RG: Logan Mankins, Montrae Holland
RT: Gabe Camiri, Sam Young

RDE: Jason Hatcher, Stephen Bowen
NT: Stephen Paea, Josh Price-Brent
LDE: Jay Ratliff, Sean Lissimore
ROLB: DeMarcus Ware, Brandon Williams
RILB: Sean Lee, ???
LILB: Bradie James, Leon Williams
LOLB: Anthony Spencer, Victor Butler
CB: Terrence Newman, Alan Ball, Bryan McCann
CB: Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick
FS: ???, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Danny McCray
SS: Gerald Sensabaugh, Barry Church

K: ???
KOS: David Buehler
LS: LP Ladouceur
P: Matt McBriar

In free agency I would sign Logan Mankins or Davin Joseph and that's probably it. If Eric Weddle became available I'd consider him, but would move him to SS the next season. In the draft I would trade down to about 20, pick up an extra 2nd rounder and

1.) Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
2a.) Gabe Camiri, OT, Wisconsin
2b.) Michael Pouncey, OG, Florida

In the 3rd round I'd take the best available safety. Someone who isn't a liability at FS, but probably better suited for SS. They can play FS in 2011 and in 2012 I'd start AoA and said player.

In the 4th round I'd target someone who can play LB in the nickel situations. And could eventually play along side Sean Lee in the base defense (Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon).

In the 5th round, I'd look for a RB to replace Barber and in the 6th I'd draft....wait for it......wait for it.......a kicker to either push Buehler or handle the FGs. Don't tell Hos

 

[28 Joker]

How about getting both Leroy Harris and Logan Mankins and dumping Davis?
Keep Holland as a backup.

I don't think Dallas will need to give Mankins Leonard Davis money, imo. That hasn't really been prudent in the end. The Giants and Commanders were looking to pay him big, too, though.

Harris will probably cost around a $ 30 million dollar contract. The Titans will probably want to give him a little more than Eugene Amano. Amano received $ 10.3 million guaranteed and a $ 26.2 million dollar deal. The deal included a $ 7.2 million dollar signing bonus.

You can draft Mike Pouncy or Demarcus Love and plug them in at guard.

The Cowboys will be in perfect position to replace Leonard Davis in round 2.

Harris is a perfect upgrade over Kosier.



I would sign a guard and draft one in round 2 to start. JMO

 

[28 Joker]

Dallas needs to sign 1 guard and draft 1 guard in round 2 to start.

Dallas needs 1 OT to start unless they want to keep starting Colombo.

 

[28 Joker]

If Dallas picks in the 7-10 range, how can they pass up a LT like Sherrod? He is going to rise, and the scouting staff will compare him to an adequate LT in Free.

When are the Cowboys going to start answering the DEs that the Giants and Eagles continue to draft in round one?

2003 Newman
2004 None
2005 Ware and Spears
2006 Carpenter
2007 Spencer
2008 Felix Jones and Jenkins
2009 None
2010 Bryant

8 first round picks and two offensive players taken. 3 if you count forfeiting a 1st, 3rd, ect.... for one Roy Williams.

The skill guys are in place, but this offensive line needs to be held accountable.

I'm sick and tired of not being able to block in the running game or run in the redzone or not being able to win up front in short yardage situations.

Plus, Davis and Colombo are two mismatch players with big weaknesses, and they are the target of teams on a week to week basis.

If the line stays the same, the average age is 33.

My rebuilt offensive line has an average age of 26.

 

[Hostile]

My apologizes if your eyes could not read the post, I have reposted in normal font for you. You asked for one example of where gutting a team helped move the team forward and I have provided you with one, The New York Jets.



If you want one team that made changes and is currently a winner, check out the New York Jets. They are 9-2, best record in the league, and they only have 33 players on their 53 man roster that were on their roster in week 17 of last season. They added 20 new players to their roster, that is 38% roster turnover. I would consider changing almost 40% of your roster gutting, wouldnt you?

The Jets made changes at backups. There is very little change to their starters.

No, I don't consider that gutting the team.

 

[KingintheNorth]

The Jets made changes at backups. There is very little change to their starters.

No, I don't consider that gutting the team.

I don't consider it gutting either but didn't they add starting caliber players in LaDainian Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, Antonio Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, and Brodney Pool? (Cromartie and Pool start)

While we added zilch in Free Agency and less than zilch (Alex Barron) in trades.

Both the Cowboys and Jets were the "talk" this off-season as Superbowl contenders but only the Jets did something about it. End results Jets tied for the best record in football, and us, not so much.

Complacency and a lack of motivation/leadership ruined us.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Roy Williams has to go you don't pay your 3rd WR

2011-$5.109 million.
2012-$6.802 million

when you can get rookie to put up his numbers

Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, WR/KR, Iowa
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.
3/31/10: An underrated talent, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos snagged 45 passes for 750 yards in 2009. Doubles as a solid kick-returner.

take him instead of Devine

5 mil is cheap for a number two receiver...dez doesn't know the playbook, doesn't know where to lineup, and runs wrong routes, and you want a another rookie doing that next year too when so many teams run three receiver sets and the risk of losing a starting receiver(s) to injuries??? ask the Giants and Indy if you ever have too many good receivers this year.

Williams has made many bigtime catches this year, he should stay and still draft another young speedy receiver.