Some of You Are Missing the Point

[cowboys2233]

Let me start by saying that I think Frederick can become a very good player and I don't put much stock in what Mel Kiper or any of the other so-called "draft experts" think. But it isn't about that, it's about player value.

Stephen Jones comes out and says that Reid, the safety from LSU, was the highest guy on their board, but felt that getting an extra third gave them more value. Here's the problem with that logic. NO ONE thought Frederick had a first round grade, they very likely could have gotten him in the second round, no problem at all, particularly given his lackluster (putting it mildly) Combine workout.

So the question REALLY becomes, what is the better deal? Getting a first-round guy (Reid) and a second round guy (Frederick) OR a second round guy (Frederick) and an extra mid-third round draft choice? They could have gotten BOTH guys! And there is no draft value board out there that would tell you the 18th pick is worth less than an extra third rounder! It's utterly mind-boggling that these idiots are this clueless!

 

[Zordon]

bingo.

 

[Teague31]

Draft Reid and Jerry is crucified for ignoring the trenches

 

[Reality]

Draft Reid and Jerry is crucified for ignoring the trenches

bingo.

 

[ajk23az]

I was a big Reid fan and taking him at 18 was a reach in my opinion. much rather have had Frederick.

 

[Miller]

Let me start by saying that I think Frederick can become a very good player and I don't put much stock in what Mel Kiper or any of the other so-called "draft experts" think. But it isn't about that, it's about player value.

Stephen Jones comes out and says that Reid, the safety from LSU, was the highest guy on their board, but felt that getting an extra third gave them more value. Here's the problem with that logic. NO ONE thought Frederick had a first round grade, they very likely could have gotten him in the second round, no problem at all, particularly given his lackluster (putting it mildly) Combine workout.

So the question REALLY becomes, what is the better deal? Getting a first-round guy (Reid) and a second round guy (Frederick) OR a second round guy (Frederick) and an extra mid-third round draft choice? They could have gotten BOTH guys! And there is no draft value board out there that would tell you the 18th pick is worth less than an extra third rounder! It's utterly mind-boggling that these idiots are this clueless!

Better watch out, that is talking overall picture regarding the draft and people just want to concentrate on Frederick and how he was for sure going to be gone at 47 because of his superior stock......

Agree with you. Think he is a good guy for this team but it comes down to the pick. People are poopooing the scouts because they had Floyd high but wouldn't that make Floyd at 18 a great value? Then even if Frederick isn't there you have other linemen and safeties in the 2nd. The Cowboys did have a 2nd round grade on Frederick according to Broaddus.

 

[davey999]

bingo.

Obviously he's an easy target because his track record sucks...

 

[cowboys2233]

bingo.

Bingo? Did you not understand my point? We could have gotten both a starting quality safety and addressed the center position in the second round. I did NOT say to pass on Frederick, I said to draft him in the second round. I can appreciate your loyalty to the team, but c'mon.

 

[Nation]

Bingo? Did you not understand my point? We could have gotten both a starting quality safety and addressed the center position in the second round. I did NOT say to pass on Frederick, I said to draft him in the second round. I can appreciate your loyalty to the team, but c'mon.

What's your move when he's drafted before our 2nd round pick?

 

[cowboys2233]

I was a big Reid fan and taking him at 18 was a reach in my opinion. much rather have had Frederick.

You don't understand. It's not about whether you prefer Reid or Frederick. It's whether you prefer Frederick...OR Frederick AND Reid. Which is obviously a no-brainer.

 

[Longboysfan]

Yes. We get a starter out of this.
Now see what else comes our way.

I did think we should have gotten a bit more from the 49'ers on the trade. Maybe an extra 4th or 5th.

 

[CATCH17]

Let me start by saying that I think Frederick can become a very good player and I don't put much stock in what Mel Kiper or any of the other so-called "draft experts" think. But it isn't about that, it's about player value.

Stephen Jones comes out and says that Reid, the safety from LSU, was the highest guy on their board, but felt that getting an extra third gave them more value. Here's the problem with that logic. NO ONE thought Frederick had a first round grade, they very likely could have gotten him in the second round, no problem at all, particularly given his lackluster (putting it mildly) Combine workout.

So the question REALLY becomes, what is the better deal? Getting a first-round guy (Reid) and a second round guy (Frederick) OR a second round guy (Frederick) and an extra mid-third round draft choice? They could have gotten BOTH guys! And there is no draft value board out there that would tell you the 18th pick is worth less than an extra third rounder! It's utterly mind-boggling that these idiots are this clueless!

The fan is saying that trading down also saved 1.6 mill against the cap so I wouldn't be surprised if that had something to do with it.

We clearly wanted out of that pick at all costs.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Bingo? Did you not understand my point? We could have gotten both a starting quality safety and addressed the center position in the second round. I did NOT say to pass on Frederick, I said to draft him in the second round. I can appreciate your loyalty to the team, but c'mon.

He would NOT have been there the second. Did you actually watch the draft?

 

[ShiningStar]

Let me start by saying that I think Frederick can become a very good player and I don't put much stock in what Mel Kiper or any of the other so-called "draft experts" think. But it isn't about that, it's about player value.

Stephen Jones comes out and says that Reid, the safety from LSU, was the highest guy on their board, but felt that getting an extra third gave them more value. Here's the problem with that logic. NO ONE thought Frederick had a first round grade, they very likely could have gotten him in the second round, no problem at all, particularly given his lackluster (putting it mildly) Combine workout.

So the question REALLY becomes, what is the better deal? Getting a first-round guy (Reid) and a second round guy (Frederick) OR a second round guy (Frederick) and an extra mid-third round draft choice? They could have gotten BOTH guys! And there is no draft value board out there that would tell you the 18th pick is worth less than an extra third rounder! It's utterly mind-boggling that these idiots are this clueless!

im not saying you are right or wrong, but heres another take.


Sometimes teams have to do this. I dont think you can keep building a line that ages every year with what value or talent you have at when you draft. SOmetimes you have to suck it up and take what gives your team the best value. This guy does that. If he can buy Romo a second or two to get that ball out without forcing the play, its worth it right there.

What i see with this puck is someone who can come in on day one. He can work two positions instead of just one. If hes that proto center that can eat up teh middle, so be it. I am liking the fact this guy can be that long term center this team has been looking for for a while and insert him and bam done with it for a while.

I dont see the vile that people are spewing because some teams have to suck it up and do this and get that guy to hold a line. It was out time, had we not done it and the center for another year was constantly blown off the line we would be yelling and scremaing anyway.

This draft isnt sexy, its not high end talent loaded. WE dont even know what other teams got yet becuse i read it every year, this team did well, that team did well, Scandrick was the best player of the draft, (that was for drama) and every year, the field tells the story.

So for all the people who think you pick sexy each round, no, hopefulyl we picked a solid guy that will anchor that line for years to come and than can build around it and than in the next draft or two, get the players we might covet.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The fan is saying that trading down also saved 1.6 mill against the cap so I wouldn't be surprised if that had something to do with it.

I bet that was pretty much all of it.

 

[cowboys2233]

What's your move when he's drafted before our 2nd round pick?

I guess that's the only argument that can be made, that he would have been gone by the time we drafted in the second round. But if that was truly a concern (which I think is stretching it), you could use that extra third rounder you picked up and easily moved up closer to the front of the second round. That way, you're still getting first and second round talent, rather than second and two third rounder talent.

A first rounder, particularly the 18th pick, is so far ahead of two-third rounders in terms of value, it's not even funny. And that's what it essentially boils down to.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He would NOT have been there the second. Did you actually watch the draft?

Really? Where was he going to go before the 47 pick?

 

[DCBoysfan]

I'm curious to know how some people feel he would have been there at 47, lineman were coming off the board like hot cakes.

 

[Nation]

I guess that's the only argument that can be made, that he would have been gone by the time we drafted in the second round. But if that was truly a concern (which I think is stretching it), you could use that extra third rounder you picked up and easily moved up closer to the front of the second round. That way, you're still getting first and second round talent, rather than second and two third rounder talent.

A first rounder, particularly the 18th pick, is so far ahead of two-third rounders in terms of value, it's not even funny. And that's what it essentially boils down to.

Right but why the hell do I care how Mayock graded this player? If The Cowboys scouts and coaches think he is the 22nd player in the draft, and think he is the best player available at that time, you take the player.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Really? Where was he going to go before the 47 pick?

Um, I don't know, anywhere. The media an fans obviously underrated the value of this crop of olinemen. No one predicted that Long, Pugh, and Fluker would all be top 20 picks.