Someone tell me why the love for the 3-4?

[fortdick]

We were the top rated defense the last year we played a 4-3. We switched and went downholl. I don;t see anything that makes me feel the 3-4 is all that great. Our pass rush is nonexistent.

We got the players to make the switch, so go back to the traditional Cowboy 4-3. If not, tell me why not, and please don't flame.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

we've built a 3-4 D, 'nuff said

 

[BigDFan5]

Last time we played 43

we were ranked 16 in yards and 27th in points allowed

 

[neosapien23]

We were the top rated defense the last year we played a 4-3. We switched and went downholl. I don;t see anything that makes me feel the 3-4 is all that great. Our pass rush is nonexistent.

We got the players to make the switch, so go back to the traditional Cowboy 4-3. If not, tell me why not, and please don't flame.

dallas could do that if they did the following.

1. Trade Marcus Spears and Chris Canty. Neither player can play DT in the 4-3. They are not strong enough to play the run. Do either of them have any trade value? The picks brought in would have to be used for a DT and DE.

2. Move Burnett to the weakside, leave Carpenter on the strong side, and start Akin in the middle.



I'm just not sure that Dallas has enought bodies to play the 4-3 full time. The backup linebackers are too slow and there are not enough DEs. Maybe they could utilize more 4-3 packages but it won't make the majority of the snaps. I could see them using a hybrid defense like New England.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We were the top rated defense the last year we played a 4-3

You mean that no turnover creating no QB sack producing bend but don't break defense?

The 2006 version of the 3-4 was doomed from the beginning. First, we had the village idiot calling the shots. Then Ellis got hurt. So to judge the success or failure of the 3-4 based on this last year isn't really fair.

I (and think most would agree) don't have a personal preference for either. The main thing I want is someone in here to run our D the was it is supposed to be ran.

 

[AbeBeta]

Last time we played 43

we were ranked 16 in yards and 27th in points allowed

we switched and in 05 ranked 10th in yards and 12th in points. then in 06 13th in yards and 20th in points (although there was only a 3 TD difference between 20th and 13th).

'dick - how exactly is this "downhill" since switching?

 

[fortdick]

dallas could do that if they did the following.

1. Trade Marcus Spears and Chris Canty. Neither player can play DT in the 4-3. They are not strong enough to play the run. Do either of them have any trade value? The picks brought in would have to be used for a DT and DE.

2. Move Burnett to the weakside, leave Carpenter on the strong side, and start Akin in the middle.



I'm just not sure that Dallas has enought bodies to play the 4-3 full time. The backup linebackers are too slow and there are not enough DEs. Maybe they could utilize more 4-3 packages but it won't make the majority of the snaps. I could see them using a hybrid defense like New England.

Spears is 6-4, 298, Canty is 6-7, 300, Hatcher 6-6, 295, and Coleman 6-5 295. Those sound like tackels to me. Now, if they are not strong enough to play DT, then the Cowboy sneed to fire some conditioning coachs. They are plenty big enough.

I agree with your opinion of the LB's, they could make the switch. Ware and Ellis can play ends, with Ratliff as backup. If anyone is expendable, it is Stanley and Fergie.

 

[juck]

we should have kept zimmer and went back to the 4-3 and moved henry to fs and got nate clemens.end of story our d kicked butt in 03.till BP changed it.

 

[Oh_Canada]

You mean that no turnover creating no QB sack producing bend but don't break defense?

The 2006 version of the 3-4 was doomed from the beginning. First, we had the village idiot calling the shots. Then Ellis got hurt. So to judge the success or failure of the 3-4 based on this last year isn't really fair.

I (and think most would agree) don't have a personal preference for either. The main thing I want is someone in here to run our D the was it is supposed to be ran.

This defense was top six before Ellis got hurt and Zimmer lost his last two remaining brain cells....the question should be why on earth would you want to go back to the 4-3 after four years of adding players to fit the current scheme?

 

[neosapien23]

Spears is 6-4, 298, Canty is 6-7, 300, Hatcher 6-6, 295, and Coleman 6-5 295. Those sound like tackels to me. Now, if they are not strong enough to play DT, then the Cowboy sneed to fire some conditioning coachs. They are plenty big enough.

I agree with your opinion of the LB's, they could make the switch. Ware and Ellis can play ends, with Ratliff as backup. If anyone is expendable, it is Stanley and Fergie.

They sound big, but there is a reason that they played DE in college. Guards tend to be alot stronger than offensive tackles. Glover was alot stronger than those guys you listed. The ideal DT in the 4-3 should be somewhere in the 6-2 to 6-3 and 305 pound range for the undertackle while the nose should be the same height at around 310 like Willie Blade.

 

[Deputy493]

we should have kept zimmer and went back to the 4-3 and moved henry to fs and got nate clemens.end of story our d kicked butt in 03.till BP changed it.

I guess you forget the year we ran the 4-3 and Zimmer was DC and Dallas broke and still holds the NFL record for the most 200+ yard rushers in a single season?

To the question in the thread, I think many feel like we have spent so much money in FA and high draft picks to convert to a 3-4 team that they don't want to switch, I however think a switch back to the 4-3 would not be so hard.........both schemes work and both have won Superbowls, I just want the best DC we can get and the best personnel to run it.

 

[The Realist]

We were the top rated defense the last year we played a 4-3. We switched and went downholl. I don;t see anything that makes me feel the 3-4 is all that great. Our pass rush is nonexistent.

We got the players to make the switch, so go back to the traditional Cowboy 4-3. If not, tell me why not, and please don't flame.

Please explain how this was the TOP D?

Link

Far closer to 32nd than we were 1st.

That year we beat up on nobodies.

Beat the Giants twice and they were bad enough to draft Eli.

Skins twice and they ended up bad enough to draft Taylor at #5.

Etc, etc.

 

[NextGenBoys]

The 3-4 defense is alot harder to beat, and read, when ran properly. A conservative, vanilla 3-4 is pretty much useless, (which is what we ran this past year) If we run it the way its supposed to (disguised blitzes, multiple looks, zone blizes) it is alot harder of an offense to stop. The best QB's in the game will tell you that a 3-4 is alot harder to read than a 4-3. In short, the 3-4 is a better defense, thats why there is the love for it.

 

[Crown Royal]

For the 4th year in a row:

It's NOT the scheme - it's the players/coaches.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

We were the top rated defense the last year we played a 4-3. We switched and went downholl. I don;t see anything that makes me feel the 3-4 is all that great. Our pass rush is nonexistent.

We got the players to make the switch, so go back to the traditional Cowboy 4-3. If not, tell me why not, and please don't flame.

Do you realize that although we were ranked #1 that last year of the 4-3...we actually had the same or higher Sack and INT numbers in the 3-4?

Now I know that Sacks and INTs are not the only part of defense but it is kind of odd.

I also figure that the year we had the #1 overall defense would not even compare to some of the defenses of other teams this year or last.

Do you think we, in that year, were even close to the production of the bears or ravens this year.

One last thing to consider...who was our FS during that last year, and who were our FS's during the years with the 3-4.

 

[theogt]

It's fun to watch when creatively used to apply pressure and it has been a pretty dominant scheme in recent history.

That's why I want to keep it, at least.

 

[The Realist]

Can someone please show me where our D was #1 in 2004?

 

[MetalHead]

It's fun to watch when creatively used to apply pressure and it has been a pretty dominant scheme in recent history.

That's why I want to keep it, at least.

So,do you think Bill's 3-4 was creative enough?

 

[Biggems]

I am interested in seeing how good Bowen does next year if we switch back to the 43.......afterall he was the only DL able to get any pressure at the end of the season last year in our 34....

I think Bowen makes an excellent backup for eithe Ware or Ellis.

I still want to go after DE Cory Redding and LB Tully Banta-Cain

 

[theogt]

So,do you think Bill's 3-4 was creative enough?

No, not at all. Now Wade Phillips's on the other hand....