Twitter: Source: Jeremy Mincey in Oxnard

[Bluefin]

Jon Machota ‏@jonmachota 16m16 minutes ago
The Cowboys have officially waived/injured LB Justin Jackson and activated DE Jeremy Mincey, last season's team-leader in sacks.

 

[Bluefin]

Clarence Hill ‏@clarencehilljr 5m5 minutes ago Oxnard, CA
Per a source, cowboys are still working on a deal with Mincey. Not done yet

 

[Corso]

Like people should crap kittens over this guy... Still, good to have him back.
At the very least he's more talent on the line and Heaven forbid anyone get injured...
His holdout was like his music career- bordering on a joke, hoping it's successful.

 

[visionary]

It's a public forum and members post to other members entering and exiting conversations. If you want to talk privately then take it to PMs. There is no underlying current towards you or anyone else.

Many players aren't able to enter free agency and are unlikely to be released. They are stuck such as rookies. They can be released but until then can't play for anyone else. Player's like Romo, Witten, Dez and many others are getting more here than they likely can anywhere else. They are also under contract so can't leave to play elsewhere unless cut.

Only vested veterans can create problems enough to be release so they can play elsewhere. And that's dicey as trouble makers are frowned on.

Players under contract are mostly at the mercy of the club. If they hold out then then they are likely hurting themselves more than anyone.

Right now Mincey either being here or not for a short time is actually beneficial to both parties. His being gone saves his body. Many vets now and remotely have done or do this. Being away briefly or at times longer helps the club evaluate younger players; they get more snaps which they often need.

It's not a simple 'they should' be here. There are pros and cons like most of life.

Actually Dez was threatening to hold out so that point is invalid

Mincey is under contract and was holding out so clearly these players are not at the mercy of the team. So that point is invalid

Try again

Players holding out is bad for the team so fans of the team should begrudge players under contract doing this for purely selfish reasons

Once again, we're talking about players under contract who don't want to honor the contract they signed

Completely ridiculous that you are arguing this

 

[visionary]

My comment wasn't incorrect. Contracts aren't fully guaranteed in the NFL, and that was the context in which the statement was made. I suppose I could have added the word fully in there, though it wouldn't have changed the essence of my point. Even so, 200k guaranteed out of 1.5 M isn't much. Also, there is no guarantee he'd have a contract for next year either. In that context, the statement "contracts aren't guaranteed" also makes sense.

Bottom line, players have the right to attempt to renegotiate their contracts. Teams have the right to terminate contracts at will, saving any unguaranteed money from being paid. In that light, I don't have a problem with Mincey missing a few days if it means he can get an added year to his contract. And maybe a little bit more cash.

Holding out impacts the team negatively by not having those players in TC

It also gives other players ideas of the team does give the player more money which also can negatively affect the team

The "more cash" does not come from a vacuum but the salary cap which affects the teams ability to sign other players

Bottom line is that fans of a team should absolutely begrudge players under contract, UNDER CONTRACT, holding out

There is no scenario in which it is good for the team for the player to hold out

I only said your comment was incorrect so as to avoid saying what your comment actually was which might cause your BFF to ban me

 

[Deep_South]

Glad to see Mincey came to his senses and joined the club for training camp. If he gives us a contract year effort like Murray did in 2014, that would be just perfect.

 

[Ken]

Glad to see Mincey came to his senses and joined the club for training camp. If he gives us a contract year effort like Murray did in 2014, that would be just perfect.

Sounds like they are working on a deal with him. I personally would make him play out the year....

Anything more than a year extension and like another mil or two is ludicrous.

 

[Bluefin]

mike fisher @fishsports
.@MrMince94 is activated + in uniform. No helmet or pads yet, though. Gradual process. #cowboys @1053thefan

 

[Bluefin]

Todd Archer @toddarcher
According to a source the Cowboys have reworked Jeremy Mincey's deal for 2015 and discussions will continue on a possible extension.

 

[windward]

Holding out impacts the team negatively by not having those players in TC

It also gives other players ideas of the team does give the player more money which also can negatively affect the team

The "more cash" does not come from a vacuum but the salary cap which affects the teams ability to sign other players

Bottom line is that fans of a team should absolutely begrudge players under contract, UNDER CONTRACT, holding out

There is no scenario in which it is good for the team for the player to hold out

I only said your comment was incorrect so as to avoid saying what your comment actually was which might cause your BFF to ban me

I never said him missing time was a good scenario for the team. I only approached it from the player's perspective in my post, not the team's. Mincey getting an extra 500k or 1m will not impact our team's ability to sign other players in any meaningful way.

Additionally don't tell me what I should or should not begrudge. You want to hold it against Mincey, fine. I don't. It really is that simple.

 

[Nightman]

Holding out impacts the team negatively by not having those players in TC

It also gives other players ideas of the team does give the player more money which also can negatively affect the team

The "more cash" does not come from a vacuum but the salary cap which affects the teams ability to sign other players

Bottom line is that fans of a team should absolutely begrudge players under contract, UNDER CONTRACT, holding out

There is no scenario in which it is good for the team for the player to hold out

I only said your comment was incorrect so as to avoid saying what your comment actually was which might cause your BFF to ban me

That is way too one-sided. Players get paid in the NFL and if you want to sign good players you have to be fair.

If you ask for pay cuts or release players when they underperform, you should expect holdouts when they outperform.

Its the age old question of whether the FO wants to be loved or feared. Its a delicate balance.

DAL is 12m under the cap, there is room for a little bump. He did the right thing by getting to camp, so work something out.

 

[jobberone]

Actually Dez was threatening to hold out so that point is invalid

Mincey is under contract and was holding out so clearly these players are not at the mercy of the team. So that point is invalid

Try again

Players holding out is bad for the team so fans of the team should begrudge players under contract doing this for purely selfish reasons

Once again, we're talking about players under contract who don't want to honor the contract they signed

Completely ridiculous that you are arguing this

Dez was in the last year of his contract and he's a top five talent. So each side had some leverage. I was speaking in generalities anyway. The dynamics and variables between Dez and the club don't fit into a couple of paragraphs.

You need to go back and reread my posts. Mincey is also in a contract year. They didn't have to give him squat. However, doing so is in the best interest of the player and club this year and esp next year if there is one. Again it's not a simple situation.

Maybe you're a simple person though.

 

[windward]

Dez was in the last year of his contract and he's a top five talent. So each side had some leverage. I was speaking in generalities anyway. The dynamics and variables between Dez and the club don't fit into a couple of paragraphs.

You need to go back and reread my posts. Mincey is also in a contract year. They didn't have to give him squat. However, doing so is in the best interest of the player and club this year and esp next year if there is one. Again it's not a simple situation.

Maybe you're a simple person though.

Precisely. Sometimes it's just good business to pay for performance.

 

[jrumann59]

Holding out impacts the team negatively by not having those players in TC

It also gives other players ideas of the team does give the player more money which also can negatively affect the team

The "more cash" does not come from a vacuum but the salary cap which affects the teams ability to sign other players

Bottom line is that fans of a team should absolutely begrudge players under contract, UNDER CONTRACT, holding out

There is no scenario in which it is good for the team for the player to hold out

I only said your comment was incorrect so as to avoid saying what your comment actually was which might cause your BFF to ban me

Should fans begrudge the team for cutting a player that may not be living up to a contract. A contract is Contract after all and there are inherent risks in sports.

 

[visionary]

Dez was in the last year of his contract and he's a top five talent. So each side had some leverage. I was speaking in generalities anyway. The dynamics and variables between Dez and the club don't fit into a couple of paragraphs.

You need to go back and reread my posts. Mincey is also in a contract year. They didn't have to give him squat. However, doing so is in the best interest of the player and club this year and esp next year if there is one. Again it's not a simple situation.

Maybe you're a simple person though.

You made a bad point and came up with baseless arguments in support of it that held no water and I called you on it

Back handed jabs will not change that

 

[jobberone]

You made a bad point and came up with baseless arguments in support of it that held no water and I called you on it

Back handed jabs will not change that

Ok, I'll be more careful with my jabs. Have a good day @visionary.