Speculation: Brady Quinn possibly ineligible for 2006?!?!

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A league source with intimate knowledge of the applicable NCAA regulations tells us that Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis might have rendered quarterback Brady Quinn and other incoming seniors ineligible. -- profootball.com

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They're referencing PFT

POSTED 12:15 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 1:08 p.m. EDT, June 25, 2006
WEIS, IRISH FLIRTING WITH DISASTER?

A league source with intimate knowledge of the applicable NCAA regulations tells us that Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis might have rendered quarterback Brady Quinn and other incoming seniors ineligible if, as we previously have reported, Weis has directed the seniors with designs on pro football to pick their agents before the start of the 2006 season.

Rule 12.3.1 of the NCAA bylaws states that "[a]n individual shall be ineligible for participation in an intercollegiate sport if he or she ever has agreed (orally or in writing) to be represented by an agent for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation in that sport." Rule 12.3.1.1 elaborates on the general principle set forth in Rule 12.3.1: "An individual shall be ineligible per Bylaw 12.3.1 if he or she enters into a verbal or written agreement with an agent for representation in future professional sports negotiations that are to take place after the individual has completed his or her eligibility in that sport." A screen shot of the relevant page from the on-line NCAA manual appears below.
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So what does it all mean? If Quinn or any otherof his teammates actually pick a football agentbefore the completion of their eligibility, their eligibility might be completed far sooner than they realized.

The key is that eligibility evaporates per Rule 12.3.1.1 even if there's only a verbal agreement between, for example, Quinn and agent Don Yee that Yee will represent Quinn, and that a written agreement for the representation will be signed later. Although it might be difficult for the NCAA to prove that there's a violation if Quinn and Yee mutually agree to claim that there was no agreement, the fact that Quinn is going through the process of interviewing agents and narrowing the field before his final season of college ball is strong circumstantial evidence of an intention to pick his agent while still otherwise eligible. The fact that Yee and others are participating in the process is likewise circumstantial evidence of an implicit agreement that they'll agree to represent Quinn, if picked to do so.

The broader question is whether the NCAA will dare to do anything that might result in killing the goose that lays beneath the golden dome. Our guess? The powers-that-be will stick their heads in the sand on this one, content in spewing the party line that no final selections have been made by any of the Notre Dame seniors.

Still, it's a risk that Weis would have been wise not to take, in light of the plain language of the relevant bylaws (unless, of course, he got advance approval from the NCAA that it's okay to tell his guys to pick their agents if they merely don't tell the agents they've been picked).

And what does Weis really gain by forcing the players to pick agents now?Although some league insiders think it's a brilliant strategy for minimizing distractions, it's also a possible means for fomenting resentment from players who would have preferred not to be rushed. Many factors still need to be determined, and an agent who looks to be the right choice in June might not ultimately be a player's best bet come January.

As one league insider told us on Sunday, "Weis isn't doing the kids any favors by sheltering them. He instead should be educating them so that they can make good decisions at the right time."

Indeed, the only college players who talk to agents during the seasons are the college players who want to. Really, why should Weis or any other coach tell the players that they can't use what little free time they have talking to potential agents?

Stay tuned. At a time when the media ripped ferociously into various scandals that emerged in April regarding USC, we figure that there's enough blood in the water to prompt a few of them to take a hard look at whether the efforts of Charlie Weis to minimize distractions have inadvertently created a big fat one.
 

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wow wouldnt that be something.....what would they do??? Enter the Supp. Draft?? I find it hard to believe that Weiss would screw himself and his players like this...
 

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wow wouldnt that be something.....what would they do??? Enter the Supp. Draft?? I find it hard to believe that Weiss would screw himself and his players like this...
I may be wrong but I think it's too late for the Supplemental Draft.

They might all be Free Agents for the picking.

I don't know though.
 

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"A Legue Source."

This smells a great deal like so much BS.

Can not imagine there is much to this at all.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
"A Legue Source."

This smells a great deal like so much BS.

Can not imagine there is much to this at all.

Of course not

An excerpt from little known bylaw rule 12.3.1.xi states that all rules governed herein will not be applicable to Notre Dame.

True story
 

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Wow is a good word to use after reading that.

But I believe that the NCAA would not do this to Notre Dame even if every senior admitted to talking or agreeing to sign with an agent.

They may use one person as an example but they know ND pulls too many viewers and money.

Did I say I hate ND?:laugh1:
 

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I may be wrong but I think it's too late for the Supplemental Draft.

They might all be Free Agents for the picking.

I don't know though.

Well, I would imagine that they would have to wait till the next available draft but who really knows? Certainly not I. Having said that, it would be sweet to be able to sign this kid without using a draft pick. Just can't see it happening.

There has to be something governing this type of situation else you'd see College coaches taking Pro Jobs and bringing there Star players with them all over the board.
 

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If true that would be the biggest bonehead move ever.

Maybe not, if the plan were to take a job in the NFL. Having said that, I just don't see this having much validity to it. I guess we'll see.
 

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just from my own experience, i would be completely surprised if anyone had agreed with an agent.
my guess is that the players have narrowed the field down to a managible number and told the rest they aren't interested. it can get very hectic and distracting to the player when not only agents, but financial advisors call all the time. it became so distracting that rob got a new cell phone and didn't answer the old number unless he had free time.
 

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pittdawg said:
just from my own experience, i would be completely surprised if anyone had agreed with an agent.
my guess is that the players have narrowed the field down to a managible number and told the rest they aren't interested. it can get very hectic and distracting to the player when not only agents, but financial advisors call all the time. it became so distracting that rob got a new cell phone and didn't answer the old number unless he had free time.
I would hope for their sake that they haven't actually signed.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
"A Legue Source."

This smells a great deal like so much BS.

Can not imagine there is much to this at all.

Excuse me if I disregard this entire article. Hiring an agent is like the #1 No-No regarding NCAA eligibility. Every casual college football fan knows this. Why in the world would a college head coach get his star players to sign agents?? It would be the height of stupidity, and Charlie Weis didn't get where he is because he is at the height of stupidity.
 

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Considering how carefull Weis and company was with Z's whole boxing thing, anyone giving this line of BS any credibility at all....
 

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Got this from ND site:
Picking your agent, and coming to a verbal agreement with him are two differnt things. A verbal agreement would include % of his take, length of contract, etc.

One can clearly pick out a house they would like to buy, without coming to a verbal agreement about all the details - price-closing costs-possetion, etc.

This is common practice for a NFL bound recruit to pick out an agent.
Weis simply wants them to do it before the season instead of during the season so it does not interfere with football.

If it was a violation to do this before the season, it would be an equal violation to do this during the season when the NFL bound players traditionally do it.
 

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Bottom line as long as they do not agree with an agent for that agent to represent them, its not a problem. ONLY with an agreement does it hit the fan.
 

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I will bet dollars to donuts that Brady Quinn will be throwing passes for the Irish this football season.
 

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Not really a big Quinn fan. However he had some great games this past year.

This is one of those times where if the story turns up to be factual, you just shake your head.

And Hos, I believe since he would be removed 3 years from HS, he would be eligible for the regular draft (same as Clarett and Williams), however the supplemental draft he would have already needed to get his paperwork in.
 
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