Speculation: Escobar to Houston?

[dallasdave]

It is. But we're also discussing the why of Escobar being traded. And the fact that if he had any value to the Cowboys, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As I said, some people can handle that fact, while others can't.

 

[rynochop]

funny...how many former TEs of ours have gone on to productive careers elsewhere....Bennett....Fasano....Escobar will be next.
He's a good player but not a great blocker like we want our TEs to be. Another team will plug him and just have him running routes. He has very good hands and I suspect he'll be a gem of a find for another team...he's just not going to get time or looks with us.

Many of our TEs? Lol. Yeah, Fasanos 250 yards per year is extremely productive. Bennetts on what his 4th team now. So 'many' is 1, and that's arguable until this year since he's with one of the greatest QBs ever, and the other TE is the best in the game

 

[Common Sense]

While playing the #2 TE position.

Really, it's just the TE position. There are no special requirements. Escobar just isn't good at football. He was drafted in the 2nd round and has "soft hands," but that's it.

 

[erod]

Escobar will do great in an offense that will actually use him. See Marty B. I have no idea why they do not use him more seeing when they finally did in 2013, he went off for huge numbers. Then we put him back on the shelf and he was never seen from again. He has talent. We just are married to Witten until he decides to retire. I don't like it at all. Seeing as we spent a 2nd rd pick on him when TE was the least of our worries for that draft. We love getting TEs in here that we will never use at all. I'll never understand it.

Problem is, there's one football, and you have a rookie QB. Escobar is more of a nuanced player that needs scheming to involve, and that means Romo. Those two have connected for several touchdowns with some full pass patterns.

Right now, it's just working too well, and Witten and Swaim are better in the run game.

 

[tyke1doe]

Escobar is more of a nuanced player that needs scheming to involve, and that means Romo. Those two have connected for several touchdowns with some full pass patterns.

Several?
While wearing Witten's jersey?

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Several?
While wearing Witten's jersey?

Think he means in his career. He hasn't done jack S this season.

 

[tyke1doe]

Think he means in his career. He hasn't done jack S this season.

How many touchdowns has Romo thrown to Escobar?

 

[big dog cowboy]

He's a good player but not a great blocker like we want our TEs to be.

Where did this come from? We didn't draft him him to be a good blocker. He was drafted because of his soft hands and pass catching ability.

 

[LocimusPrime]

If I'm a TE, I don't want Dallas drafting me till Witten is retired. It's a death sentence.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

How many touchdowns has Romo thrown to Escobar?

7

 

[Nightman]

Many of our TEs? Lol. Yeah, Fasanos 250 yards per year is extremely productive. Bennetts on what his 4th team now. So 'many' is 1, and that's arguable until this year since he's with one of the greatest QBs ever, and the other TE is the best in the game

Fasano is a 11 year vet.......that doesn't happen if he isn't good......MBennett is going on his 9th year

They were both worthy of a 2nd round pick.......just not here

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Fasano is a 11 year vet.......that doesn't happen if he isn't good......MBennett is going on his 9th year

They were both worthy of a 2nd round pick.......just not here

I can see someone saying Fasaono wasn't worth a 2nd rounder, but anyone who thinks Bennett wasn't is either too biased or too football dumb to see the truth.

 

[ghst187]

Many of our TEs? Lol. Yeah, Fasanos 250 yards per year is extremely productive. Bennetts on what his 4th team now. So 'many' is 1, and that's arguable until this year since he's with one of the greatest QBs ever, and the other TE is the best in the game

Wasn't saying he was going to become the second coming of Witten or Gronk, just that he's probably going to stick somewhere and have a decent career. Some team without a Witten will probably like him more than we did.

 

[xwalker]

Really, it's just the TE position. There are no special requirements. Escobar just isn't good at football. He was drafted in the 2nd round and has "soft hands," but that's it.

Wrong.

 

[Plankton]

I still think, in the right situation, Escobar ought to be a really good role player. We've assembled some decent players with better blocking skills around him, so I see why he's losing snaps, but it still surprises me. I've said it before, but last year when Dunbar went down and before we put Cassel in the lineup is where I expected Escobar to be a matchup player for us, and then....nothing.

At this point, he's only holding a roster spot as long as Hanna is out. If we can get anything for him, we ought to.

At the very least, he should be split out wide every time the Cowboys are in a goal line situation. With his height and arm length, he should dominate out wide in those scenarios.

 

[Common Sense]

Wrong.

If you can describe this special TE position in a way that differentiates it from the traditional TE role -- especially Witten's, since that's always the excuse -- I'm more than happy to agree. Until then, I'm still going to believe that Escobar can't play TE because he's a big, goofy dude who isn't any good at the point of attack and doesn't have a particularly useful route tree.

He's not some Jimmy Graham in disguise because Jimmy Graham would not be riding the bench here behind James Hanna and Geoff freaking Swaim.

 

[xwalker]

If you can describe this special TE position in a way that differentiates it from the traditional TE role -- especially Witten's, since that's always the excuse -- I'm more than happy to agree. Until then, I'm still going to believe that Escobar can't play TE because he's a big, goofy dude who isn't any good at the point of attack and doesn't have a particularly useful route tree.

He's not some Jimmy Graham in disguise because Jimmy Graham would not be riding the bench here behind James Hanna and Geoff freaking Swaim.

Didn't say he was Jimmy Graham.

The 2 TE positions are definitely different. You can believe what you want. I'm just offering to give you information that you don't currently possess.

It's similar to how slot WR and outside WR are different. If Beasley missed any time and Dez/TWill were playing they would likely try Lucky or Dunbar in the slot over Butler even though Butler is the top backup on the outside.

 

[Idgit]

At the very least, he should be split out wide every time the Cowboys are in a goal line situation. With his height and arm length, he should dominate out wide in those scenarios.

Yep. Red zone is the number one area where you'd think he makes sense, right?

 

[Plankton]

Yep. Red zone is the number one area where you'd think he makes sense, right?

I have never understood why they haven't consistently utilized him like that before. I mean, especially this year when Dez Bryant was out for three games. Escobar is a complete mismatch for a corner/safety out wide.

I can't say that I was a huge fan of the selection at the time, but it wasn't because I didn't think Escobar was good. I still think that he's good. I just think that you have to find a way to incorporate him into the offense.

 

[Common Sense]

Didn't say he was Jimmy Graham.

The 2 TE positions are definitely different. You can believe what you want. I'm just offering to give you information that you don't currently possess.

It's similar to how slot WR and outside WR are different. If Beasley missed any time and Dez/TWill were playing they would likely try Lucky or Dunbar in the slot over Butler even though Butler is the top backup on the outside.

Jesus Christ. Now there's no such thing as an outside receiver playing in the slot. This keeps getting better.

Okay, I'm going to humor you. Let's say that this offense does employ two radically different tight end positions. In that case...

1) If all four TEs were healthy and Witten went down, would Escobar take his place over Hanna and Swaim, or would one of those two "switch positions" while Escobar stayed on the bench?

2) If your answer is that Escobar would play, then are we to assume that Witten also can't play the other TE position as well as Hanna or Swaim? What is preventing a sub-package with Escobar at "TE #1" and Witten at "TE #2?" Aren't we supposed to assume that having Witten and Escobar on the field together is better than Witten and Swaim?

3) Why does Lucky Whitehead have three times as many snaps as Escobar? Using the same logic, shouldn't having Escobar on the field be better than having Whitehead on the field? Why does Whitehead have so many sub-packages while Escobar has fewer than 25 offensive snaps on the year?

Occam's Razor > Mental Gymnastics.