News: ST: Cowboys coach Jason Garrett explains clock management decisions at end of Redskins game

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  1. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    yes, and mods request you do as well.

    you want to criticize me, please do so right here. I'll gladly report again.
     
  2. DandyDon52

    DandyDon52 Well-Known Member

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    Well as steve martin used to say "well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssseee meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!"
     
  3. DandyDon52

    DandyDon52 Well-Known Member

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    yeah JG is evidently starting to copy the master of babble speak!
     
  4. Idgit

    Idgit Fattening up Moderator

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    Just as an aside, and I prefer to keep threads on track, but this one seems intent on derailing itself no matter what, it's much better to report potential guideline violations and then keep on topic than it is to resort to flinging poo bad and someone you think might be flinging it at you.
     
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  5. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    The word out on VR is that he was supposed to be playing off making it essentially cover 2. We had timeouts and how come no one on that defense, Lee, Church, or anyone else who wants to call themselves a leader, fixed it. The coaches for that matter could have called one of our many timeouts.

    I just hope they learn from this. Aaron Rodgers will make that read and more. One byproduct moving forward of having Jones do everything is the he will evolve into a leader of the secondary just by virtue of his knowledge.

    They've started using Hardy like they did in Carolina essentially flipping the defensive formation with the strong side end, Hardy, and Hayden over the left side. Moses couldn't block DLaw on isos, Crawford was active against Sherff, and they did a good job attacking not-Sherff and the C using line stunts and blitzes. Hardy did well against Williams. I even though my whipping boy Hayden was outstanding for about 20 minutes.
     
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  6. TheDude

    TheDude McLovin

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    That calculator assumes you have the ball on your hand up 7 and doesn't factor time.

    Odds for wash to after that score and time yielded a 7- 15% depending on starting around the 20 or 30. That puts dallas at 86-93%
     
  7. DandyDon52

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    I have to go with B ! lol
     
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  8. coult44

    coult44 Well-Known Member

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    Mistake that JG did not tell DMC to stay in bounds during the 4-5 mins he had between plays to do so. Pathetic actually.
     
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  9. DandyDon52

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    I could say JG said "we"
    also it insinuates he did not tell dmc to not run out of bounds. or call for plays that dont go outside.
    It is all speculation.
    no matter what happens on the field , the HC is going to be blamed, and with some validity most of time.
     
  10. Eric_Boyer

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    I think it is pathetic a grown man that has played this game longer then the head coach needs to be told, but I'm not sure he wasn't told, and neither are you
     
  11. Eric_Boyer

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    LOL, it doesn't insinuate that, and I am sure plenty are "blaming him for the win"

    COOKOO COOKOO
     
  12. Sportsbabe

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    Have I told you lately "I love you"?
     
  13. tecolote

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    First of all, if your back is a headcase and you don't trust him, why would you give him the ball in the most important play of the game? That's a pretty strong indictment agaisnt a head coach.

    And second of all, this is not my prefered outcome, I based my statement on what actualy happened. If you watched the play, Dmac could've easily dropped down at rhe 3 after he got the first but Garrett never told him to. By the way, that's a play they practice according to Broaddus.
     
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  14. tecolote

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    Just watch the play. It's been done before, it's not rocket science, they actualy practice that play but Garrett did no call it.
     
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  15. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    DMC said he was thinking end zone. It sure looked like the team was too. The whole way.

    I know for a fact that Garrett and Linehan teach their backs to not go out of bounds. I know this because we have seen Demarco Murray and Joseph Randle do this in part of closing out our 12 wins last year.

    We heard Jason Garrett say the circumstance changed when he failed to go out of bounds. 5-7 yards on first down, clock running forcing a timeout is what we wanted. In the moment Garrett is trying to run out the clock. He calls another inside run a fan blows a whistle in the stands. Redskins played true defense. Sorry we were so much better than them. I thought Tyron, LC and Fred were outstanding on the play myself.

    I bet the whole team goes over 2 minute again in practice this week.
     
  16. tecolote

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    Well they practice that play, smart teams have run that play, 12 year olds playing Madden run that play.

    You are like the king with no clothes, calling everybody dumb while you bask in your own bubble of ignorance.
     
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  17. Eric_Boyer

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    in a game where we were getting better push, Jason acknowledged he would consider using the play too.

    I notice most of the people that like the use of vitriol when discussing the head coach, doesn’t like others doing the same against them.
     
  18. Idgit

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    The problem with this discussion, is that there's a big old subtext here that's not really about this specific chain of events, and that's what's really feeding the debate. Time management is something Garrett has historically not been good at, and then we didn't handle this end-of-game opportunity well, and it became a bigger issue than it really needs to be. The back going out of bounds and giving up a clock-stoppage was a mental error on behalf of a veteran player. DMC has not really been prone to a lot of mistakes, and I don't really believe he'd have made this one if he didn't think he could likely get to the first down marker. He got tempted, and he went for it and ended up stopping the clock. From that point on, we're kind of arguing shades of gray.

    Personally, I didn't like that sequence. I think we should have netted the first down, milked the TOs and the clock, and then played for the touch or kicked the game winner on 4th down. But playing the way we did wasn't completely insane, either. WAS isn't going for a 2 point conversion in a tie game at home in that situation, so you've got a tie in the bag and a very likely win if you just play decent ST and decent defense.
    We, of course, did neither on that series. As a fan, it was all-too-predictable. As a coach, I'm taking those probabilities, every time. Even if I don't like how I got myself in that situation.
     
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  19. tecolote

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    I called someone dumb but not Jason.
     
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  20. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Your scenario of getting a first down and clocking it three times to time so you can kick a FG as time expires is not reality. You are taking you preferred outcome, everything works as planned, comparing it to reality and acting like that is sufficient. We have pointed out multiple ways at each individual point of your plan that things could go awry.

    Although running the clock with a lead is the ultimate goal, scoring a TD is the next best conclusion to a drive.
     

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