News: ST: Cowboys coach Jason Garrett explains clock management decisions at end of Redskins game

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  1. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    So coaches don't call the plays that players run in the field, because they practice them 100s of times?

    I guess coaches aren't suppose to call TOs either, because players should know everything..
     
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  2. khiladi

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    It didn't.. The Redskins scored.. Whitehead and Dez won the game on the next drive, compensating for the bungled decision..
     
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  3. khiladi

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    And? McFadden acknowledges he made a mistake.. Garrett didn't acknowledge his own mistake, but said he bungled a decision because McFadden through him into a kilter..
     
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  4. Wolfpack

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    I've stayed out of this mess of a tread but I alway ask myself "what would a HOF coach like Parcels or Belicheck do" Either of the Bills would have micro managed the entire last sequence down to leaving McFadden with post-in notes on his sleeves of how to handle those precious seconds. It takes that level of OCD to win big in the NFL consistently. I don't know if JG did that or not but he should have.

    I think blowing the cover 1 call on the touchdown was the worst coaching thing I saw for the end series. How in the world do you not double their only threat and play a guard the middle cover 1 when they needed to go long or out of bounds. Thats the worst coaching blunder for me at least.
     
  5. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Well I was just asking if you had thought this through to the point where you were considering how your plan would actually be implemented. Thank you for pointing out how you haven't with this answer. That DMC had been practicing 2 minute since TC and already screwed up seems completely lost to you, as you act like 'everything works as I planned' is the assured outcome.
     
  6. Dave_in-NC

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    :hammer:
     
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  7. Ultra Warrior

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    It did.
    The Skins scoring Tied the game, it didn't lose the game.
    Let it go.
     
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  8. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    This is fair. This is what I've been trying to get into people's heads for a week now. Sure a great coach would have had his offense ready for 2 minutes down the stretch in the game. Holding the coach accountable for player lack of discipline makes total sense.

    What doesn't make sense is the vainglorious hubric notion that calling a timeout with 1:26 or worse calling it in through Cassell's headset to implement any harebrained scheme of ours is a plan nor should it be the basis of any intelligent discussion.
     
  9. conner01

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    Don't see the mistake Garrett made. The td? A td is very rarely a mistake and in this case you take the 7
     
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  10. rpntex

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    Of course coaches call the plays… They also expect the players to know their assignments.
     
  11. plasticman

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    Really? Okay, here is the clincher:

    Garrett has the offense sit on the ball to run out the clock before kicking the field goal.

    .....and Bailey misses.

    Who fault is it that the Cowboys lost?

    Don't say nobody, we know the fans have to throw someone under the bus, so who?

    Do you honestly believe nobody will blame Garrett for not trying to score?

    You yourself would give Garrett credit for the right choice just the wrong results? Really?

    Because there is a sure thing that some will never recognize success credited to Garrett, instead attributing it to the efforts of someone else.
     
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  12. Dodger12

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    Two things. First, what are talking about how the plan will be implemented? What does that even mean? This is pro football where the difference between winning and losing can often be decided by "implementing" these plans. Is the fact that the plan wasn't implemented mean that it was the wrong plan? Which brings me to my second point....I'm assuming that you'll at least admit that the plan should have been to run down the clock and take the FG. And even though DMac ran out of bounds thus throwing the plan they practiced since TC into chaos, Garrett should have been in his ear on 2nd and 1 about what to do if he got the first down. The bottom line is that Garrett didn't have a clue and that should be troubling to fans of this team that our HC is so inept at game and clock management.
     
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  13. Dodger12

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    You can't be this dense....honestly, you can't. The point is not to have Garrett or Cassel use our timeouts in that situation but to burn the clock and force the Skins to burn their time outs. I feel like I'm talking to a child with a Webster's pocket dictionary and a pocket full of #2 pencils.
     
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  14. Kevinicus

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    I absolutely would say he made the right choice. If Bailey misses the miss is most likely on him (assuming it wasn't blocked). However, the Cowboys don't automatically lose, but if they do, a loss is a result of a lot of things throughout the game.

    Every situation has a what if worst case scenario that could happen. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Killing the clock and taking the fg is the scenario most likely to result in a win. The worst case scenario is far more likely with the TD.
     
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  15. khiladi

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    And their assignments are known based on the play the coaches call... This the term ASSIGNments..
     
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  16. khiladi

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    The mistake is not running down the clock to a time that Redskins would have a very slim chance of even tying the game, because they'd have to get the ball up the field in a matter of seconds, without any TOs...
     
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  17. khiladi

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    And it happened after a TO, if I remember correctly...
     
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  18. khiladi

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    And GB scored on a Hail Mary against Detroit.. That's not the point..

    First of all, you don't coach your team to put them in situations that they win by hail Mary's at the end of games.. There is still consistent mismanagement of games by Garrett over years of 'training'..

    Secondly, the main point of this thread is the inability of Garrett to ADMIT he made a mistake, while he's telling the world McFadden made a mistake the play before which is what threw Garrett off kilter, meaning Garrett would have run that play if he wasn't thrown off kilter by McFadden.. Which is then why he wanted to absolve himself further by saying they practice going down all the time...

    That's the main issue.. It's like when he hid from the cameras during the Wade era when he called a pass play against the Redskins with like two seconds to go before the half and 80 yards to left to score, but Romo had to throw a check down to Choice he proceeded to fumble and the Redskins scored on a TD return and the Cowboys lost because of that play..

    At least Wade flat up took the blame and owned up to it.

    This is the same red-headed ginger that talks about accountability and all his homers tried to prop him up as a guy that holds people accountable.. Apparently, he holds people accountable other than himself..
     
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  19. rpntex

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    And how is that Garrett's mistake? McFadden ran out of bounds, in essence putting 40 seconds back on the clock. Other players don't have to be told to stay in bounds, yet it's Garrett's fault because McFadden didn't have the situational awareness to?

    Or maybe it's Garrett's fault for not going to "half speed" after that play and just getting the first down. Never mind the Redskins had stuffed Dallas not once, but twice already on short yardage. If they don't convert, they still kick the field goal, then kickoff to Washington with a minute (or more) remaining. They only needed 22 seconds to score as it was. Only in that scenario, it left Dallas needing a TD to win. That would really fuel your anti-Garrett agenda.

    Or maybe you're saying Dallas shouldn't have run McFadden wide, and forced the skins to burn their TOs. Dallas probably doesn't sniff a first down in that scenario, and after the clock runs down, Dallas kicks their FG at around 40 seconds, leaving the skins about 30 seconds after the kickoff. Did I mention that Washington scored in 22 seconds as it actually played out?

    Here's the bottom line. After MCFADDEN'S mistake, considering the success the Redskins had stuffing the short yardage game, Garrett decided to play football. This team hasn't been good enough to take any other approach. He went for the TD, knowing the best Washington could do was tie. And don't bother with "Gruden could have gone for two". No coach in his situation - or in his right mind - will gamble his season like that when he could take the easy kick and play for OT.

    You don't have an argument here...just an agenda.
     
  20. plasticman

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    Okay.

    tYou would have blamed Bailey for losing the game.

    So if the Cowboys score the TD, like they did, was it a sure thing that the Redskins were going to march right down the field and score a TD?

    .....recall that the Redskins had been completely shut out of the endzone the previous 59 minutes of play.

    And , in the Cowboys scoring a TD with the Redskins subsequently scoring....."the Cowboys don't automatically lose"

    Let's say the Cowboys don't score that final FG and it goes into overtime where the Cowboys ultimately lose. Was it because they scored that TD with McFadden? Or was it "a result of a lot of things throughout the game."

    Which would have been more responsible for a loss, Jason Garrett's decision making or a turnover margin that statically results in an 81.5% probability of losing?

    I really always thought second guessing was reserved for those coaches on the losing team.

    If the Cowboys lost as a result of a missed field goal, you would have blamed Bailey? If he misses then the game goes into overtime. Here's where I see a lot of hypocrisy, not talking specifically about you:

    With less than 5 minutes left in the game it is 3rd and 1 at the Redskin 1 yard line. They had three chances to punch it in and couldn't do it. If they had scored then it would have been 13-9. Jackson's TD would have been irrelevant.

    Also recall, that, on the Redskin's subsequent drive after the failed 3rd and 1resulted in a FG....the Cowboy defense held the Redskins to a three and out thus allowing the Cowboy offense sufficient time to get down the field and score, FG or TD.

    The Cowboys scored 10 points in the last 5 minutes of the game and it should have been 14. Nobody discusses this. No, they want to talk about the 7 points that the Redskins scored which, by the way, was produced by a 41 yard kick return and a 15 yard penalty.

    I'm saying that it was far more improbable that the Redskins score a TD in the last minute of the game when they hadn't produced one in the previous 59 and they only accomplished this through s combination of a kick return and a stupid penalty. If the expectation was that they would score easily, why were they three and out the previous drive which was still less than five minutes to go in the 4th quarter.
     
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