Stanback Randle El comparisions

[Bizwah]

Wanna make a bet?

They drafted a guy that was admittedly raw and had a foot injury. Do you expect him to be cut if he doesn't look 100%? They knew going in he might not be healthy by training camp and had rarely played the position. They're not expecting him to bust out of the gates. He's a project.

Jeff Ireland is in love with the guy. He's about as much a lock on the roster as anyone.

I don't make bets....

Ok....he will probably make the team.

I guess I should've said that in all probablility his career will be relatively non-descript.

Better?

Again, for you to say that he would be a bust if his career mirrors that of Randel El is ridiculous.

Randel El is not a great player, but he is solid. He's a solid contributor....If we can get a solid contribution from Stanback, then I think we will be very lucky.

Now, I hope Stanback has a great career.....but if we got another Randel El instead....then I don't know how any of us could complain.

 

[theogt]

I don't make bets....

Ok....he will probably make the team.

I guess I should've said that in all probablility his career will be relatively non-descript.

Better?

Again, for you to say that he would be a bust if his career mirrors that of Randel El is ridiculous.

Randel El is not a great player, but he is solid. He's a solid contributor....If we can get a solid contribution from Stanback, then I think we will be very lucky.

Now, I hope Stanback has a great career.....but if we got another Randel El instead....then I don't know how any of us could complain.

Randel El is a mediocre 3rd string receiver that will never do anything more. Ireland expects much more out of Stanback. He's expecting a Anquan Boldin-type receiver. If he's a Patrick Crayton or a Randel El, he's a disappointment. Call it what you want. I call a player that doesn't play to his expectations, a bust.

 

[wmaxima97]

Damn, why does Stanback have to be like anybody? Who really knows who he's going to be "like". Everyone here thinks because they've seen him play in college they can predict what type of career he is going to have. Let the kid play a NFL game before making comparisons. What if he ends up being only like Isaiah Stanback? I'm not saying not to be optimistic about him but just realize the kid is an individual with his own strengths and weaknesses.

 

[J-DOG]

The comparison to Randle-El is because of the college qb moving to wr. However Stanbeck is a much more physical player than Randel-El in size and power.
If you want to think of Stanbeck comparisons think of it this way...
Speed
Tony Martin who had a good production career as a wr with the Dolphins and then the Falcons was a burner and he also was a qb in college.
Size
Hines Ward-Another former qb from Georgia who is very physical and uses his size and toughness to get open and lay out players when blocking.
Quickness
This were comparison to Randel-El would be closest. However because of Stanbeck's bigger size he is not as elusive or quick as Randel-El. But...in long speed...Stanbeck wins easily.

 

[Bizwah]

Randel El is a mediocre 3rd string receiver that will never do anything more. Ireland expects much more out of Stanback. He's expecting a Anquan Boldin-type receiver. If he's a Patrick Crayton or a Randel El, he's a disappointment. Call it what you want. I call a player that doesn't play to his expectations, a bust.

I think all of us are HOPING for an Anquan Boldin-type (let's also remember that Boldin played mostly WR at FSU)......But let's be realistic....That's not probably going to happen....If he has a career like Randel-El, then he will have been a success.

I'm sure Ireland is expecting all of his draft picks to have great careers.....and I'm sure he'll be disappointed if they don't.

But he also realizes that any production from a guy that suffered a career-threatening foot injury, that played only part of a season at WR, and that's never returned a punt in his career would be quite an accomplishment.

 

[theogt]

I think all of us are HOPING for an Anquan Boldin-type (let's also remember that Boldin played mostly WR at FSU)......But let's be realistic....That's not probably going to happen....If he has a career like Randel-El, then he will have been a success.

I'm sure Ireland is expecting all of his draft picks to have great careers.....and I'm sure he'll be disappointed if they don't.

But he also realizes that any production from a guy that suffered a career-threatening foot injury, that played only part of a season at WR, and that's never returned a punt in his career would be quite an accomplishment.

If given the opportunities he most likely would match Randel-El's production. It's really not much. Only doing that and nothing more would be a disappointment.

This is just a squabble over the definition of "bust" or "failure." You think it wouldn't be a failure for him to fail to live up to his potential. I think it is.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Green > Stanback

It isn't close.

So, you're saying Skyler Green is better than Stanback, but you don't believe there's any way we will be cutting Stanback, who was also a 4th round pick like Green? Or do you simply not know how to use the "greater than sign"?

 

[Merlin]

Green > Stanback

It isn't close.

You must have meant Stanback > Green. Cause Green was a joke. Stanback has alot of potential with his speed and size. If he can catch, he will be dangerous not to mention that big arm of his as a potential threat also.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Hopefully, he can help this team with his over all play

 

[ODawg]

Let's just see Stanback make the team first...

I second that notion....we have some young talent at wideout...hurd...austin...stanback...the cfl guy....lets wait and see

 

[Bizwah]

This is just a squabble over the definition of "bust" or "failure." You think it wouldn't be a failure for him to fail to live up to his potential. I think it is.

What exactly is his ceiling?

I don't know.....

I guess all draft picks have all-star potential. That's why they get drafted...

Look at Courtney Brown.....Now, there's a ton of potential there. Would he be a failure in your eyes if he develops into a solid third corner?

In my eyes no......Even though his numbers say that he's a top flight athlete, capable of turning into a shut-down CB, I think a solid third CB would be a win for us.

It sounds like he would be a failure in your eyes......You can sit there and say that you have greater expectations than me, or you don't tolerate mediocrity.....I just remember the Macy Brookses, the Martay Jenkinses, the Deveren Johnsons, and the Randal Williamses that we got absolutely nothing from and think that it would be an accomplishment to get some production out of a home-grown WR not named Patrick Crayton.

 

[theogt]

What exactly is his ceiling?

I don't know.....

I guess all draft picks have all-star potential. That's why they get drafted...

Look at Courtney Brown.....Now, there's a ton of potential there. Would he be a failure in your eyes if he develops into a solid third corner?

In my eyes no......Even though his numbers say that he's a top flight athlete, capable of turning into a shut-down CB, I think a solid third CB would be a win for us.

It sounds like he would be a failure in your eyes......You can sit there and say that you have greater expectations than me, or you don't tolerate mediocrity.....I just remember the Macy Brookses, the Martay Jenkinses, the Deveren Johnsons, and the Randal Williamses that we got absolutely nothing from and think that it would be an accomplishment to get some production out of a home-grown WR not named Patrick Crayton.

Listening to all the Ireland interviews, he thinks his ceiling his pretty high. I think he's honestly expecting the guy to be at least a #2 receiver for us in the future.

If your 4th round picks aren't starting after a few years, they're busts. Randel-El is a 3rd receiver at best. On many teams he wouldn't even be a 3rd receiver. That's simply a bust to me. He gets a lot of hype because of a few trick plays he's made. He's really never done anything worthwhile in the league.

 

[JackMagist]

We won't be cutting our 4th round pick. Please.

We did last year though if Stanback comes into camp in any kind of shape I don't see us cutting him. If he comes in like "Chubby Checker" he still could be gone.

 

[Manster68]

If your 4th round picks aren't starting after a few years, they're busts. Randel-El is a 3rd receiver at best. On many teams he wouldn't even be a 3rd receiver. That's simply a bust to me. He gets a lot of hype because of a few trick plays he's made. He's really never done anything worthwhile in the league.

Are you off your rocker?

There is no such thing as a Day 2 bust. Every pick is a gamble. Heck, many 1st Day picks are gambles.

Players taken on the 2nd day all have some sort of drawback in which can prevent that player from reaching his full potential. Drawbacks can range from injuries from the previous year, off-field trouble, being from a tiny school, or not performing well at combines and workouts.

Seeing how the 2nd day picks begin at around pick #100, the premium quality is gone! You are reaching for diamonds in the rough. Occasionally, one is found like Marion Barber.

So all Stanbeck has to do, in my eyes, is make two big plays, and his 4th round draft status is validated.

And Antwan Randall El? He has more than validated his 2nd round draft status. I have a Steeler fan at work who is still upset that Pittsburgh let him go to Washington. I am willing to bet that she is not the only one that feels that way.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

I keep hearing that, is that really his ceiling? Am I the only one not really enamored with Randle El.

I work in the airport here in Washington, and I saw Randle El last week.

dude is really small

but if Stanbeck is that good we got some great value cuz randle el is a top 5 return man.

 

[Manster68]

If your 4th round picks aren't starting after a few years, they're busts. Randel-El is a 3rd receiver at best. On many teams he wouldn't even be a 3rd receiver. That's simply a bust to me. He gets a lot of hype because of a few trick plays he's made. He's really never done anything worthwhile in the league.

Now I know you are off your rocker.

Never done anything worthwhile in the league? How about throwing a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl!!?? One that broke the game open to boot!

Seeing how Robert Newhouse did the same thing 30 years ago, I guess the same applies to him as well?

Antwan Randall El has just as many Super Bowl TD passes as Dan Marino.

Apparently, every draft pick has to be instant superstar to please you. Well, be prepared for disappointment then. As the Cowboys get better, less and less draft picks make the team.

 

[theogt]

Now I know you are off your rocker.

Never done anything worthwhile in the league? How about throwing a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl!!?? One that broke the game open to boot!

This is precisely what I'm talking about. He made his entire career off that one damn trick play.

Apparently, every draft pick has to be instant superstar to please you. Well, be prepared for disappointment then. As the Cowboys get better, less and less draft picks make the team.

Not even close. After 4-5 years, if a 4th rounder isn't starting, he's a bust. That's pretty far from requiring superstardom.