Stanback

[D-TownRadio]

Hi my name is Shaun, I own a Dallas Cowboys internet radio station and this seems to be a very popular topic. I have heard people refer to this pick as a bust and all I can say is so what if it is? What did we lose? a 2nd day pick. While there might have been some players out there that could have jumped in on D and contributed right away you still have to ask yourself would you realy start a rookie over the players we have right now on D? Honestly I think we have a top 5 D that just needs to adjust and get healthy. Every week they allow less and less yars last week they didn't give up a point. I don't see how a rookie could have given us a bigger edge then our current starters give us. I think Jerry took the person in the draft with the MOST TALENT. The most talent, I can't stress this enough I am not saying that he is the best player or most likely to start but talent wise you couldn't have found anyone better. Right now Dallas are rolling over teams they are 1st in the NFC and are tied for first in the NFL. Why would we start a rookie now? Our return man is doing fine giving us good possition and Crayton has exceeded my expectations. This team is clicking so well I don't see why Wade would throw a rookie in the lineup just to prove he made a good pick. There will be plenty of time for that later. I think that with his talent he will eventualy contribute alot to this team. He maybe that big play return man that we have been looking for then again he may not. I think Jerry saw this as a chance to grab someone with alot of talent on the 2nd day of the draft and couldn't pass it up and I don't blame him. To all of you who are upset about this move just enjoy the season and let our 4-0 record be enough reason for you to trust in Wade's choices.

 

[starfrombirth]

Welcome to the board. I tend to agree with you. In fact we had another thread about this very topic yesterday. Look around, you can probably still find it. Have fun and again, welcome to the board.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

go back and dig up comments from Troy about why the dynasty collapsed in the 90s. The Cowboy started throwing away picks because we were "so good". Don't forget about the Kavika Pittmans, Shante Carvers, Wayne McGarity, Solomon Page, Derrick Lassic, that other RB from Alabama..Sherman something....we have not won anything...we are old at the WR position...we cannot allow a franchise QB to lose his weapons...it looks like Terry Glenn is either done or will be done at the end of the year...Crayton is a free agent...we cannot waste picks especially at the WR position. We better get a baller and get one fast at the WR position and the CB position and at the DT position. This team is NOT complete yet and those positions need long term high quality players

 

[THUMPER]

go back and dig up comments from Troy about why the dynasty collapsed in the 90s. The Cowboy started throwing away picks because we were "so good". Don't forget about the Kavika Pittmans, Shante Carvers, Wayne McGarity, Solomon Page, Derrick Lassic, that other RB from Alabama..Sherman something....we have not won anything...we are old at the WR position...we cannot allow a franchise QB to lose his weapons...it looks like Terry Glenn is either done or will be done at the end of the year...Crayton is a free agent...we cannot waste picks especially at the WR position. We better get a baller and get one fast at the WR position and the CB position and at the DT position. This team is NOT complete yet and those positions need long term high quality players

There is a big difference between throwing away day-1 picks on reaches and spending day-2 picks on project players.

I have no problem using a 2nd day pick on a project player as long as we are using our day-1 picks on solid, proven talent, which we have been doing the last few years. They aren't always going to work out for us, like Peterman & Jacobs, but at least they were proven players from big time programs and were not reaches or projects.

Stanback is an exceptional athlete. Landry & Co. made a living out of turning guys like that into stars. If we can figure out how to utilize him then we may just have something. If not then we wasted a 4th rounder which is no big deal as very few of them are expected to contribute substantially anyway.

 

[FLcowboy]

go back and dig up comments from Troy about why the dynasty collapsed in the 90s. The Cowboy started throwing away picks because we were "so good". Don't forget about the Kavika Pittmans, Shante Carvers, Wayne McGarity, Solomon Page, Derrick Lassic, that other RB from Alabama..Sherman something....we have not won anything...we are old at the WR position...we cannot allow a franchise QB to lose his weapons...it looks like Terry Glenn is either done or will be done at the end of the year...Crayton is a free agent...we cannot waste picks especially at the WR position. We better get a baller and get one fast at the WR position and the CB position and at the DT position. This team is NOT complete yet and those positions need long term high quality players

You make a good point about throwing away picks on marginal or project players. I do think however, that the selections you enumerated were made in good faith, albeit some poor ones. Kavika Pittman was indeed projected to be a starter. He was a bust in Dallas, but went on and played elsewhere.

Stanback apparently has some talent that the scouting department thought could be developed. Since he was coming off an injury, he didn't get to play any of the proposed positions for which he was drafted in training camp. But, there was apparently enough interest around the league in Stanback that the Cowboys didn't want to subject him to the waiver wire in an attempt to get him onto the practice squad. Let's just wait and see how this season pans out. Anybody else that could have been drafted in his stead would probably be riding the pine as well.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I value a 4th round pick, I'm starting NOT to like the idea of drafting a guy without a defined position...

 

[Randy White]

go back and dig up comments from Troy about why the dynasty collapsed in the 90s. The Cowboy started throwing away picks because we were "so good". Don't forget about the Kavika Pittmans, Shante Carvers, Wayne McGarity, Solomon Page, Derrick Lassic, that other RB from Alabama..Sherman something....we have not won anything...we are old at the WR position...we cannot allow a franchise QB to lose his weapons...it looks like Terry Glenn is either done or will be done at the end of the year...Crayton is a free agent...we cannot waste picks especially at the WR position. We better get a baller and get one fast at the WR position and the CB position and at the DT position. This team is NOT complete yet and those positions need long term high quality players

Kavika Pittman = 2nd round pick
Shante Carver = 1st round pick
Solomon Page = 2nd round pick
Sherman Williams = 2nd round pick ( the other RB from Alabama )


Derrick Lassick = 4th round pick
Isaiah Stanback = 4th round pick

Big Difference

There were 35 players taken in the 4th round of the 2005 draft. Looking at that list, without the benefit of a deep research, here are the names that stand out only because I know they're still in an NFL roster, not because of how good they are in most cases:

Sean Considine
Travis Daniels
Kyle Orton
Marion Barber
Brandon Jacobs
Ciatrick Fason
Jerome Mathis
Craphonso Thorpe ( recently called up from the practice squad in Indy )
Brady Popping
Alvin Pearman
Darren Sproles
Chris Canty

That's 12 out of 35, with probably a couple more lineman who I didn't recognize, from just 2 years ago.


Perspective in needed here.

 

[D-TownRadio]

okay I understand where some of you might be comming from but if you ask me drafting a kicker is a bigger waste then drafting a project with alot of raw talent. And thank you for the welcomes.

 

[Tass]

okay I understand where some of you might be comming from but if you ask me drafting a kicker is a bigger waste then drafting a project with alot of raw talent. And thank you for the welcomes.

Are you kidding??? We lost three games because of the kicker last year and Folk has been cucumber-cool.

Good Lord...

 

[THUMPER]

Are you kidding??? We lost three games because of the kicker last year and Folk has been cucumber-cool.

Good Lord...

I would say that Folk is our rookie of the year right now. He has had the most impact on the team so far of any of our rookies, including Spencer. He has not missed a single kick (one was blocked though) and has done well on his kickoffs too.

Best value pick in the draft for us this year IMO.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I love the Stanback pick, and I didn't know him before the draft, nor do I blindly praise all our draft picks.

But what we had was a need for youth at WR, yet no opening for a rookie. Nobody was going to come in and play this year anyway, so who better to take than a very high upside guy who can develop in practice for a year?

I just don't see how you can watch tape of the guy play and not love what he does with the ball in his hands. Add that to a great attitude, and it's just a matter of time until he becomes a pretty good player.

 

[iceberg]

okay I understand where some of you might be comming from but if you ask me drafting a kicker is a bigger waste then drafting a project with alot of raw talent. And thank you for the welcomes.

people want to put things on the same terms year in and year out. the fact of the matter is this was a weak draft to begin with. couple that with no glaring holes to try and fill, this was the perfect year *to* draft a kicker *and* take on a project like stanback.

but the IGS wants results and they want them NOW. not next year when he's more likely to be in the mix, but NOW.

i've learned to just ignore those people cause they make no sense and i'm sure they'll need to get back to madden soon.

 

[kilz]

I have heard people refer to this pick as a bust and all I can say is so what if it is? What did we lose? a 2nd day pick.

First off, I do not beleive Stanback will be a bust. Despite hating the Washington Huskies, I loved the way he moved in the open field in college. If we can get him the ball, that will translate to the NFL, imo.

To address 'What did we lose', it's hard to tell at this point. However, I remember going to bed after day one of the draft dreamin about the possibility of Michael Bush. Granted he went a couple of picks bf ours, but talent like that of the defensive players in that same range can pay serious dividends in the NFL.

The NFL is so competitive right now. You need all the help you can get from the draft to rise to the top.

 

[conner01]

stanback is a project pick. we did'nt waste anything on him. he has the potential to be a fine player for us once he learns the new position.remember romo was a project too. and that one worked out ok.
it will take him time but stanbeck is a great athlete and could develope into a fine player. if he does'nt we missed on a project. it happens. but when it works you get a solid, if not good player for nothing.
projects don't bring instant gratification, just like it took romo a few years to develope, it will take stanback a few years to develope.
if it works then we where very smart, if it does'nt then you lost a 2nd day pick and most of those don't work out anyways.
i think the risk is well worth the potential reward

 

[silverbear]

go back and dig up comments from Troy about why the dynasty collapsed in the 90s. The Cowboy started throwing away picks because we were "so good". Don't forget about the Kavika Pittmans, Shante Carvers, Wayne McGarity, Solomon Page, Derrick Lassic, that other RB from Alabama..Sherman something....we have not won anything...we are old at the WR position...we cannot allow a franchise QB to lose his weapons...it looks like Terry Glenn is either done or will be done at the end of the year...Crayton is a free agent...we cannot waste picks especially at the WR position. We better get a baller and get one fast at the WR position and the CB position and at the DT position. This team is NOT complete yet and those positions need long term high quality players

It's amazing how you can look at a 4-0 team that has just brutalized every opponent so far, and see nothing but gloom and doom... what's funny, though, is that you focus on a freakin' 4th round draft pick as your "evidence" that we're in deep doo-doo...

 

[03EBZ06]

okay I understand where some of you might be comming from but if you ask me drafting a kicker is a bigger waste then drafting a project with alot of raw talent. And thank you for the welcomes.

Sorry but you are wrong. Folk has been a great pick and he is doing very well. If he gets 4 points tonight, he'll tie for NFC lead in kicking and if he can maintain his current pace, he could be a pro bowler. To me, that is a great pick.

 

[5Stars]

It's amazing how you can look at a 4-0 team that has just brutalized every opponent so far, and see nothing but gloom and doom... what's funny, though, is that you focus on a freakin' 4th round draft pick as your "evidence" that we're in deep doo-doo...

Yeah...sometimes I just sit back and shake my head at some of the stuff that people post (not that what I say is always good or right), but this team is rolling and there are some that are still moaning about the team.

And the initial poster saying that drafting Folk was a waste? That guy has been money! The Cowboys spent 2 mill on Vandershank and got absoutely nothing from him...yet this is a wasted pick?

And like Thumper said, Landry had a habit of not always drafting "football players", but he would go out and get "athletes" that he could make into football players...just like Stanback is right now...

The Cowboys miss on some draft picks, of course, and people gripe about it when all the really need to do is look up East at the RedStinks who don't have draft picks or never really use them to build a young team, they just trade or toss them away like garbage...

So, I don't get it sometimes...no matter how this team does, there are always others that are not satisfied...

 

[EMMITTnROY]

You know it's a great season when the only thing that people can find to complain about is our 4th round pick that was taken as a project in the first place not seeing any playing time..

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Sorry but you are wrong. Folk has been a great pick and he is doing very well. If he gets 4 points tonight, he'll tie for NFC lead in kicking and if he can maintain his current pace, he could be a pro bowler. To me, that is a great pick.

Darn right. Joe Avezzano does the pre-and post-game on 103.3, and he's always bringing up what a good job Folk is doing on both FGs and kickoffs.

 

[dillinger319]

good god I will be glad when it gets closer to game time that way we can find something else to talk about.. This has been pushed to its limit the last two days....:horse: :horse: :horse: