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State of the DT position

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by thunderpimp91, Mar 23, 2022.

  1. mattjames2010

    mattjames2010 Well-Known Member

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    LOL what are you talking about? We have been trying to "replace" the DT for over a decade, it hasn't worked out.
     
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  2. mattjames2010

    mattjames2010 Well-Known Member

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    They literally had Vince Wilfork for an entire decade. They had their middle solidified for quite some time.
     
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  3. dogberry

    dogberry Well-Known Member

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    Aaron Donald is 6’1” and 280 lbs.
     
  4. plasticman

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    A lot of fans discount the value of experience. It's not unusual for DT's to get better as years progress, especially when it comes to stopping the run.

    During the first three to four years in the league, a DT can be fooled more often by an offensive scheme. However, as the seasons go by, a DT has seen just about everything and they are no longer easy to fool. Also, they are more used to the rigors of the position and they become more familiar with opponent personnel with their individual nuances.

    Of course, I'm talking about DT's with around five to seven years experience and still able to play at a high level.

    Youthful exuberance is great and fun to watch but you got to have that Tony Casillas and Jim Jeffcoat around to stay disciplined.

    This is why I am saying don't give up on someone like Trystan Hill. Many fans couldn't wait to give up on Armstrong last year before training camp began. I don't hear a lot of criticism now.
    We should all be excited about Osa and Gallimore.
     
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  5. morasp

    morasp Well-Known Member

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    They're valued, the last few drafts just haven't had many good ones. NFL had only 2 last year and 2 this year with a grade of starter within two years. There are only 11 this year with draftable grades. The two last year went early and so will the two this year.
     
  6. CowboyoWales

    CowboyoWales Well-Known Member

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    I think some fans see Donald and view the position based on him. Our DT need is to stop the run and enable the edges and Micah to produce.
    A combo of veteran stalwarts (head over body experience): Watkins and for me Urban to stop the run and more athletic, young Gallimore/Osa as 3-tech is a decent approach imo.
     
  7. Blackrain

    Blackrain Well-Known Member

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    Yes Vince wilfork and Richard Seymour and probably four super bowls who can we name that we won super bowls with in that length of time zero

    I would be elated with two great defensive tackles and four super bowls in that length of time
     
  8. atlantacowboy

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    Collins is a veteran rotational player who has some talent. Currently, he would be the best DT on our roster if he played here. We have the worst DT rotation in the NFL. We literally don't have a top 50 player at the position. This makes perfect sense since we invest no premium picks in the position, or invest in the free agent market. While it is hard to find a chris jones on draft day, it is not hard to be better than we were last season. Yet, so far, improvement is alluding us. It is truly stunning how clueless this organization has become.
     
  9. Batman1980

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    Stopping the rushing attack is about winning at the point of attack and rallying to the ball. That begins with the nose tackle and we haven't had a true one of those since Jason Ferguson in 2006.
     
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  10. Batman1980

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    If Dan Quinn were the defensive genius people think he is, why hasn't he talked the lack of brain trust running this team into fixing the issues at 1T and Mike?
     
  11. Aerolithe_Lion

    Aerolithe_Lion Well-Known Member

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    this only furthers his point though. In that 20 years span, the patriots made 9 Super Bowls. 0 of those without Malcolm Brown, Vince Wolfork, or Richard Seymour.
     
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  12. Sydla

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    Our DTs are middling. They just are.

    They simply don’t value the DT position like other teams.
     
  13. Sydla

    Sydla Well-Known Member

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    Armstrong is a JAG. He’s a backup, a dime a dozen type player. Sure he’s fine for depth but I am not following your point here. I don’t think many fans would have cared one way or the other if Armstrong had been brought back or not.

    Hill is what he is. Expecting the light bulb to go off in his head at this point and be anything more than a backup type DT is wishful thinking.
     
  14. CWR

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    Yeah I think Hill has had his time, and being a Marinelli guy I don't have a ton of faith.

    Osa and Gallimore though, can still be really good players imo.
     
  15. thunderpimp91

    thunderpimp91 Well-Known Member

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    That is where my quesion comes from, because i'm not entire sure the Cowboys havent dedicated resources to the position. It's are they just terrible at evaluating talent at the position, or is finding quality DTs much more difficult than we tend to think?

    FAs have mostly been the role player variety or bargain bin variety, I agree. Urban, Watkins, even a Donteri Poe I would throw in there with where he was in his career when they signed him. The last 3 drafts they have 3 DTs selected within the top 100. Feels like that should be better than worst unit in the NFL, especially with rotational/role players signed through FA.
     
  16. thunderpimp91

    thunderpimp91 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but thats the whole question...why is that? We've drafted 3 high in the last 3 drafts, and signed numerous FAs, albeit mostly role players. Poe was supposed to be a legitimate run stuffer, but was easily schemed around.
     
  17. JeffInDC

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    Aaron Donald is a Unicorn...PERIOD!!!!!
     
  18. Oz-of-Cowboy-Country

    Oz-of-Cowboy-Country Well-Known Member

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    What I'm basically saying is our DL can't stop the run because they're not big enough. They need to be bigger across the board. Until that happens we will struggle. And that's the truth. How hard is it to find bigger players?

    It's not hard at all. They just aren't interested or don't know what they're doing.
     
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  19. thunderpimp91

    thunderpimp91 Well-Known Member

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    So why did Donteri Poe fail so hard? 6'3" 340lbs+
     
  20. Cowboysheelsreds053

    Cowboysheelsreds053 Well-Known Member

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    This, remember when they had Ratliff playing the 1 and we were screaming way back then to get a run stuffer.
     

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