Stephen Jones in charge?

[WoodysGirl]

I'm not sure what this was meant to tell me WG. Sorry if I am being dense.

Didn't Jerry and Stephen take over from the word go? Didn't the way the NFL is operated change based on how Jerry does things in marketing? Didn't Bob Ackles provide any insight? Didn't Jimmy Johnson learn on the fly?

If Stephen Jones was a bumbling fool, why does Jimmy Johnson consider him to be a great football guy. His exact words are, "he's a good one." Jimmy was there for his first 5 years in the NFL, but none since. Maybe, just maybe these people aren't as incompetent as the whining drones think. I don't it's just a thought.

Well to simplify the analogy of meritocracy vs nepotism:

Guy works his way up from the mail room vs guy whose fresh out of college and given an executive office. Both may end up leadership positions, but in most cases, the guy working his way up the corporate ladder from the mail room will be more respected.Some will simply never appreciate the guy who seemingly was gifted a premium position in the executive suite.

Stephen Jones has the added burden of fans believing that no matter what he puts on the field, there are no consequences for his actions, missteps, overall bad assessment. I believe to many, that bothers them more than anything else.

 

[jazzcat22]

Well to simplify the analogy of meritocracy vs nepotism:

Guy works his way up from the mail room vs guy whose fresh out of college and given an executive office. Both may end up leadership positions, but in most cases, the guy working his way up the corporate ladder from the mail room will be more respected.Some will simply never appreciate the guy who seemingly was gifted a premium position in the executive suite.

Stephen Jones has the added burden of fans believing that no matter what he puts on the field, there are no consequences for his actions, missteps, overall bad assessment. I believe to many, that bothers them more than anything else.

I don't think comparing running and moving up the corporate ladder and a NFL team, or any pro sports team can be done fairly.

Sure the guy moving up from sweeping floors to an executaive may get more "admiration", maybe one can say it's respect, but I think admiration is the term. But you still need to earn respect, from choices and decisions, not tenure. Than a guy out of college, or with experience in orther companies. However, I seen it more often than not, the person moving up through the ranks, still must earn respect from the decisions they make. Or in most cases the ones they don't, or won't make, because they also learn to tow the company line. Kind of brain washed to think a certain way. So may not always make the tough, needed choices that a new person coming in does. To keep the company moving forward instead of status quo. [yes I know 8-8 is staus qou..lol]

Anyway, if the grandson will eventually take over, he's getting to learn on the job, then while in college, he can gear his learning to what he knows he will be doing.
What was Stephen's job before Jerry bought the team, what was his specialty, what is his degree in. These things need to be considered also.

 

[visionary]

He doesn't go out and get the best coaches. He spends his money on the coaches that make him the most comfortable.

Winning is the Cowboys 3rd priority at best.

Jerry's Ego is #1

Entertaining is #2

You could also argue that keeping the country club atmosphere is #3.

You forgot money

Jerry priorities are

Money>ego>entertainment>winning

 

[visionary]

I think he makes better football decisions than his father, remember rit was Stephen and Garrett who met with Melton, and discussed the deal, Jerry wasn't even in town.

Lol, a chimpanzee makes "better football decisions " than Jerry

 

[visionary]

Don't tell Green Bay. They've brought in Ron Wolf's kid, and he didn't even play college ball.

You don't say
Things happen fast in the NFL but when did Ron wolf buy the packers and make his son GM ?

 

[khiladi]

Fact alert:

Stephen Jones has been in player personnel, alongside Lacewell and Jim Garrett since 1997. That's all you need to know.

That, and he's the only one that got a free pass when Bill Parcells came, the others having to 'retire' only to come back as soon as Parcells left.

 

[CATCH17]

You can argue it. It doesn't make you right, and you aren't.

Oh how I wish I was.

It should've been clear to me when Jerry fired his head coach Jimmy Johnson after he won the Super Bowl. It took me awhile to catch on but I finally did.


It's all about Jerry's ego and always will be with him.

 

[Hostile]

He was given his position site unseen despite what Parcells and others have said after the fact. The grandson is obviously going to be handed his spot as well and will be going down the same path.

I like Stephen Jones but his success at his position is despite the process and not because of it.

So what? How is this any different than the Giants, Steelers, Lions, Bengals, Bears, Cardinals, Bills, Patriots, 49ers, and Raiders? If Tom Benson dies his kids won't take over? Some owners pass away and their children sell the team. Some keep right on running things. Some of those are the most successful franchises of all time.

We need to stop acting like what is going on in Dallas is somehow different than the rest of the NFL and is causing the losses. That is such superstition. Losses are caused by not getting the job done on the field that day. Jerry's grandson having a knowledge of how to use things on the iPad and showing Will McClay made the Rams pick Aaron Donald. It's gone beyond ridiculous.

 

[Hostile]

Oh how I wish I was.

It should've been clear to me when Jerry fired his head coach Jimmy Johnson after he won the Super Bowl. It took me awhile to catch on but I finally did.


It's all about Jerry's ego and always will be with him.

Talk to fools Catch, this just bores the hell out of me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So what? How is this any different than the Giants, Steelers, Lions, Bengals, Bears, Cardinals, Bills, Patriots, 49ers, and Raiders? If Tom Benson dies his kids won't take over? Some owners pass away and their children sell the team. Some keep right on running things. Some of those are the most successful franchises of all time.

We need to stop acting like what is going on in Dallas is somehow different than the rest of the NFL and is causing the losses. That is such superstition. Losses are caused by not getting the job done on the field that day. Jerry's grandson having a knowledge of how to use things on the iPad and showing Will McClay made the Rams pick Aaron Donald. It's gone beyond ridiculous.

Huh?

Please show me the other NFL franchise where every major executive position is manned by the owners family. And why is that bad? Because you can easily get entrenched incompetents in place. If Shy is a moron, it is not going to matter because he is going to run the show. You keep patting yourself on the back because Stephen isn't a moron.

Well, what if he was then do you think that would make a difference? No, he would still be in charge of player personnel. We are completely at the mercy of whether or not shy is competent. It's a horrendous way of doing business and it is more than a little irritating that you go full sophist when it comes to defending the front office. You are now defending nepotism as a business model. Unbelievable.

 

[Hostile]

Huh?

Please show me the other NFL franchise where every major executive position is manned by the owners family. And why is that bad? Because you can easily get entrenched incompetents in place. If Shy is a moron, it is not going to matter because he is going to run the show. You keep patting yourself on the back because Stephen isn't a moron.

Well, what if he was then do you think that would make a difference? No, he would still be in charge of player personnel. We are completely at the mercy of whether or not shy is competent. It's a horrendous way of doing business and it is more than a little irritating that you go full sophist when it comes to defending the front office. You are now defending nepotism as a business model. Unbelievable.

Tom Ciskowski is part of the Jones family? Todd Williams is? Scott Agulnak is? Rich Dalrymple is?

I think you need to look closer at other teams. You're missing way too much.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tom Ciskowski is part of the Jones family? Todd Williams is? Scott Agulnak is? Rich Dalrymple is?

I think you need to look closer at other teams. You're missing way too much.

Now you are being coy and dissembling. Who is Rich Dalrymple's boss? Charlotte Jones. Who is Tom Ciscowski's boss? Stephen Jones. All of his children are executive vice presidents in the organization above all of the people that you mentioned. Why not start naming the players?

And rather than being smarmy about supposed teams with their executive leadership like this, how about you name them? We both know that if you could then you would. You haven't and you won't because there isn't but I am sure you will dissemble in some other fashion.

 

[Hostile]

Now you are being coy and dissembling. Who is Rich Dalrymple's boss? Charlotte Jones. Who is Tom Ciscowski's boss? Stephen Jones. All of his children are executive vice presidents in the organization above all of the people that you mentioned. Why not start naming the players?

And rather than being smarmy about supposed teams with their executive leadership like this, how about you name them? We both know that if you could then you would. You haven't and you won't because there isn't but I am sure you will dissemble in some other fashion.

They are executives with this team.

Name them? Name one team that doesn't have owner relatives working high up in the organization. Don't say the Packers. That doesn't count and we all know why.

 

[Alexander]

Charlotte.

You might as well assume Spaulding is assuming a bigger role. Stephen Jones is doing basically what he has always done.

 

[Risen Star]

Well to simplify the analogy of meritocracy vs nepotism:

Guy works his way up from the mail room vs guy whose fresh out of college and given an executive office. Both may end up leadership positions, but in most cases, the guy working his way up the corporate ladder from the mail room will be more respected.Some will simply never appreciate the guy who seemingly was gifted a premium position in the executive suite.

Stephen Jones has the added burden of fans believing that no matter what he puts on the field, there are no consequences for his actions, missteps, overall bad assessment. I believe to many, that bothers them more than anything else.

Stephen has to do one thing to retain his position as the VP of Personnel on this team - breathe.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They are executives with this team.

Name them? Name one team that doesn't have owner relatives working high up in the organization. Don't say the Packers. That doesn't count and we all know why.

That is not how arguing works. You are making the argument that other NFL teams do it too. Its not up to me to prove that is not the case. You cannot find any can you?

Before I continue, I want to point out that the "other teams do it too" is a poor argument even if true.

I will play along though. None of Lurie's kids have executive positions in the Eagles. None of Dan Snyders kids have executive positions in the Commanders.

 

[Hostile]

That is not how arguing works. You are making the argument that other NFL teams do it too. Its not up to me to prove that is not the case. You cannot find any can you?

Before I continue, I want to point out that the "other teams do it too" is a poor argument even if true.

I will play along though. None of Lurie's kids have executive positions in the Eagles. None of Dan Snyders kids have executive positions in the Commanders.

Flip. Okay, brah the only question is, will you learn anything?

Arizona...Owner and Chairman of the Board...Bill Bidwell. Son of the original owner, has 2 sons on the executive staff, Michael and William.
Atlanta...Not the Blank family business, Home Depot is.
Baltimore...Not the Bisciotti family business, Aerotek is.
Buffalo...Ralph Wilson's widow now owns the team. One of his first daughters Linda Bogdan was the first female scout in NFL History. At the time of her death she was the Vice President of the team. Chrsity Hoffman, another daughter does what Charlotte does. A niece, Mary Owen is a Vice President. No sons.
Carolina...I can't find out anything about his family. I'll keep trying.
Chicago...Virginia McCaskey is the daughter of Papa Bear George Halas. her brother, George Junior was daddy's hand picked President until he died young. Her son Michael was the team President. When he stepped down her son George took that job. Her husband was team treasurer until he died.
Cincinnati...Founded by Paul Brown. owned by his son Mike. Pete is the Senior VP over players. Katie Balckburn is the highest ranking woman in the entire NFL, she is the Executive VP and her husband Troy is also a VP. Paul Brown II is Pete's assistant and also has a VP title.
Cleveland...Not the Haslam family business and can't find out much about his family so far.
Denver...Pat Bowlen owns the team with 3 siblings. Brothers John and Bill, and Sister Marybeth. John is the Director. Not wlel known but John Elway is a minority owner and coincidentally the GM.
Detroit...Not the family business, Ford is. Still his widow is Chairman and his son Bill is the Vice Chairman. His 2 sons run Ford.
Houston...Cal McNair is the Chief Operating Officer. I wonder if he is related to Bob?
Indianapolis...Irsay is the son of Bob. Upon his graduation from college he was named VP and GM. His three children are all Vice Chairs of the team.
Jacksonville...Can't find anything about Khan's family so far.
Kansas City...Owned by Clark Hunt, son of the founder. A sister and 2 brothers are co-owners with him.
Miami...Dolphins are not the family business. Real Estate Developers.
Minnesota...Mark and Leonard Wilf are deeply involved with dad Zygi in running the team.
New England...I guess team president Jonathon is no relation to Bob?
New Orleans...If old Tom kicks off I am sure his daughter Rita will rise from her Vice Chairman of the Board role to full Chair.
New York....Wilson Mara to Tim and Wellington Mara to John Mara. Chris Mara is a Senior VP. Steve Tisch's son Jonathon is the Treasurer.
new york...the Jets are not the family business. Johnson & Johnson is.
Oakland...Mark Davis is the son of Al.
Pittsburgh...Art Rooney to Dan Rooney to Art II and Art Jr., all have President or Vice President titles. Dan Jr. is Player personnel Coordinator.
Philadelphia...Funny how his ex-wife still has an executive role. But hsi current wife doesn't.
St. Louis...The Rams are not the family business. Wal-Mart is.
Seattle...The Seahawks are not the family business, Vulcan Inc. is.
San Francsico...Denise York is sister of Eddie DeBartolo. Her husband is the Co-Chair. Their son Ted is the CEO.
San Diego...The Spanos family. Alex is owner. Son Dean is Chairman of the Board and President. Son Michael is Exec VP. Dean's son Alexander is Chief Marketing Officer. Son John is on the Player Personnel staff. AG Spanos is Alex' other son, he is the Exec VP.
Tampa Bay...Malcom is owner. Son Bryan is Co Chair along with sons Edward and Joel. Daughter Darcie chairs the family foundation under the Bucs umbrella.
Tennessee...Bud Adams daughters Susan and Amy are the current owners and Susan's husband is team President. Grandson Ken, is a gneral counsel for the team.
Washington...The Commanders are not the Snyder family business.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hostile thinks nepotism is a preferable way to run a business. That is nice.

"They did it first" stopped being a good excuse when I was a child.

 

[arglebargle]

You don't say
Things happen fast in the NFL but when did Ron wolf buy the packers and make his son GM ?

If you think the young guy got the job due to his great skill at equipment management and cheerleading in college, you're.....very kind.

Maybe he'll turn out great. Could happen.

 

[Hostile]

Hostile thinks nepotism is a preferable way to run a business. That is nice.

"They did it first" stopped being a good excuse when I was a child.

I said that? No, I am pretty sure I said it is a reality in the NFL, especially when the team is the family run business. Huge difference.

The main thing I chimed in with at all is that I think it is classless to hate Jerry's grandson and daughter just because you're angry that the team isn't the 90's dynasty any more. I wish our fans could show more class. Some apparently can't. That's a damned shame really. I further pointed out that Stephen Jones is highly respected by the only 2 coaches that current fans apparently do respect, Jimmy and Bill.

I'll go a step further. Stephen Jones knows more about football than anyone in this forum. So does Jerry if you want to know the truth. They aren't the idiots the malcontents chant about.

Oh, and by the way, if you or I, or any other living, breathing, cursing fan were wealthy enough to own a football team and make it a family business our children would have high level jobs with that team. They are called tax write offs if nothing else. It's smart business brah. In fact, when I still had my construction company my daughter was on the payroll as a secretary. Because she answered the phone for me. I could then pay her a salary that was enough to give her a 401k and match the funds. Same with my wife as treasurer. That is how you get around the limits of how much you can put into a 401k. Just a tip from a mad man in Arizona.