Stephen Jones in charge?

[Hostile]

You don't say
Things happen fast in the NFL but when did Ron wolf buy the packers and make his son GM ?

He's not the GM, Ted Thompson is. He is however the Director of Player Personnel (NFL's youngest at 31). You don't think that has anything at all to do with dear old Dad? When he was 10 he attended Packers drafts with his Dad, and has been involved in them for 21 years according to the bio on the Packers website.

 

[Clove]

Every one loves to be shocked by Jerry not making a "Jerry Move." Except that he did exactly what he said he was going to do in the weeks leading up to the draft. Everyone thinking he would make the splash a) got that from their own Jerry-Bias and b) hasn't really been paying attention for the last 3-5 years.

It really doesn't matter, because the bottom line hasn't changed. We're still mediocre, no matter who's in charge.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I said that? No, I am pretty sure I said it is a reality in the NFL, especially when the team is the family run business. Huge difference.

The main thing I chimed in with at all is that I think it is classless to hate Jerry's grandson and daughter just because you're angry that the team isn't the 90's dynasty any more. I wish our fans could show more class. Some apparently can't. That's a damned shame really. I further pointed out that Stephen Jones is highly respected by the only 2 coaches that current fans apparently do respect, Jimmy and Bill.

I'll go a step further. Stephen Jones knows more about football than anyone in this forum. So does Jerry if you want to know the truth. They aren't the idiots the malcontents chant about.

Oh, and by the way, if you or I, or any other living, breathing, cursing fan were wealthy enough to own a football team and make it a family business our children would have high level jobs with that team. They are called tax write offs if nothing else. It's smart business brah. In fact, when I still had my construction company my daughter was on the payroll as a secretary. Because she answered the phone for me. I could then pay her a salary that was enough to give her a 401k and match the funds. Same with my wife as treasurer. That is how you get around the limits of how much you can put into a 401k. Just a tip from a mad man in Arizona.

You keep acting like such a business model is not a problem and your only excuse is "other teams do it."

I don't dislike the individuals. Quite the contrary as I am a big fan of judging people on merit and acting accordingly.

Nepotism is a poor business model no matter how much you try to spin it or point out that other people do it. At the end of the day, its Jones' business to do with as he wants. I get that. Him having the right to do it does not make it a good decision. It's a selfish decision and it is my right to speak out about it.

Any business will be better when it's leadership is based on merit. That is as American as apple pie and an ethic I will speak for until the day I die.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's not the GM, Ted Thompson is. He is however the Director of Player Personnel (NFL's youngest at 31). You don't think that has anything at all to do with dear old Dad? When he was 10 he attended Packers drafts with his Dad, and has been involved in them for 21 years according to the bio on the Packers website.

I have no idea how that decision was made and neither do you as much as you constantly pretend like you have inside access to every NFL franchise. The bottomline is that Dad did not make the decision.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It really doesn't matter, because the bottom line hasn't changed. We're still mediocre, no matter who's in charge.

Way to quit before the draft is even over. I don't understand why you even bother unless you like being unhappy or like making other people unhappy.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I'm not sure why "other teams do it too" is a valid excuse for our incompetent front office.

First of all, the majority of these organizations being mentioned ARE NOT run like ours. Sure, many of the owners are the sons or grandsons of the previous ownership, but they do not have the same structure that the Cowboys have.

Jerry Jones is the Owner and GM. This is not my opinion. These are his titles. He is the "decision maker". Again, not my opinion - that's straight from his mouth. Stephen Jones is second in command. Again, this is a fact and not my opinion. Every football personnel decision that is made for the Cowboys is made by Jerry or Stephen Jones.

Very few teams in the NFL have THIS particular structure in place.

And you know what? It wouldn't matter to me in the least if the NFL were littered with teams doing the exact same thing. Look, the problem isn't this particular business model. I'm not saying that no owner can be a successful GM and that nobody who gets their NFL front office job based solely on nepotism can ever be successful. Maybe some other owner who is better equipped to wear those hats could do what Jerry is trying to do and be successful at it. That would be fantastic for them.

The problem is, it's just not working here. It has become painfully obvious that Jerry and Stephen are not the right people for their respective positions.

 

[Hostile]

I have no idea how that decision was made and neither do you as much as you constantly pretend like you have inside access to every NFL franchise. The bottomline is that Dad did not make the decision.

I don't pretend anything of the kind. I didn't say I knew how he ended up with that job. Gotta straw man franchise?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't pretend anything of the kind. I didn't say I knew how he ended up with that job. Gotta straw man franchise?

No just been at this site as long as you have. Lets just drop it eh?

 

[Hostile]

You keep acting like such a business model is not a problem and your only excuse is "other teams do it."

I don't dislike the individuals. Quite the contrary as I am a big fan of judging people on merit and acting accordingly.

Nepotism is a poor business model no matter how much you try to spin it or point out that other people do it. At the end of the day, its Jones' business to do with as he wants. I get that. Him having the right to do it does not make it a good decision. It's a selfish decision and it is my right to speak out about it.

Any business will be better when it's leadership is based on merit. That is as American as apple pie and an ethic I will speak for until the day I die.

Fuzzer, you're rambling. When wealthy people buy sports teams and turn it into a family business, that is just a fact of life. Jeannie Buss was working with the Lakers long before dear old dad departed this life and before she was knocking boots with Phil Jackson. Harry Carey, Skip Carey, Chip Carey. Jack Buck to Joe Buck. The only merit that matters in sports is earning it on the field of play, regardless of the sport, and I am sorry but what goes on in the offices behind the cash registers has about as much to do with winning and losing spitting sunflower seeds makes you a better baseball player.

You can either stick your head in the sand and pretend that isn't the real world and continue to blame me or anyone else for pointing it out, or you can wise up to the fact that it just isn't all that uncommon. Which is essentially the only thing I've really said, and why that should offend you or anyone else is really beyond me.

 

[Hostile]

No just been at this site as long as you have. Lets just drop it eh?

Hell no. Don't throw that crap out and then run because I'll stand up for myself. You've always been better than that with me. If you can't be now for some reason then spit it out. I'll probably laugh.

 

[Hoofbite]

Way to quit before the draft is even over. I don't understand why you even bother unless you like being unhappy or like making other people unhappy.

I would hope there aren't any posters who are truly unhappy over message board posts. If worst comes to worst you can still ignore people, can't you?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would hope there aren't any posters who are truly unhappy over message board posts. If worst comes to worst you can still ignore people, can't you?

Why would I need to ignore him? I just don't understand what is the motivation. I never said I was unhappy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzer, you're rambling. When wealthy people buy sports teams and turn it into a family business, that is just a fact of life. Jeannie Buss was working with the Lakers long before dear old dad departed this life and before she was knocking boots with Phil Jackson. Harry Carey, Skip Carey, Chip Carey. Jack Buck to Joe Buck. The only merit that matters in sports is earning it on the field of play, regardless of the sport, and I am sorry but what goes on in the offices behind the cash registers has about as much to do with winning and losing spitting sunflower seeds makes you a better baseball player.

You can either stick your head in the sand and pretend that isn't the real world and continue to blame me or anyone else for pointing it out, or you can wise up to the fact that it just isn't all that uncommon. Which is essentially the only thing I've really said, and why that should offend you or anyone else is really beyond me.

I just said that I understand it is their business and that they can run it how they want. I understand there is not much I can do about it. You now acknowledging that and writing that post is someone sticking their head in the sand.

Nepotism is bad and doubling down on your "other people people do it too" line as if that is a valid excuse for even a child is not going to change that.

We get that you don't think entitled nepotism is bad. I am a big fan of meritocracy. So be it.

 

[Hostile]

I just said that I understand it is their business and that they can run it how they want. I understand there is not much I can do about it. You now acknowledging that and writing that post is someone sticking their head in the sand.

Nepotism is bad and doubling down on your "other people people do it too" line as if that is a valid excuse for even a child is not going to change that.

We get that you don't think entitled nepotism is bad. I am a big fan of meritocracy. So be it.

Then you clearly don't get it, because I've never even intimated that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Then you clearly don't get it, because I've never even intimated that.

So that whole thing about how other teams do the same thing and its no big deal was just a smokescreen. . .

Way to take a stand!

 

[Irving Cowboy]

"I just do not like seeing women and kids mistreated."
Someone is feeling especially chivalrous today, because no where in this thread is anyone being "mistreated".

 

[visionary]

He's not the GM, Ted Thompson is. He is however the Director of Player Personnel (NFL's youngest at 31). You don't think that has anything at all to do with dear old Dad? When he was 10 he attended Packers drafts with his Dad, and has been involved in them for 21 years according to the bio on the Packers website.

Since you seem to be struggling with the concept of nepotism, let me clarify it

Ron wolf (the dad) did not make his son director of pro-personnel, Ted Thompson (the current GM and NOT RELATED) did

please refer to Websters dictionary if still unclear

 

[Hostile]

Since you seem to be struggling with the concept of nepotism, let me clarify it

Ron wolf (the dad) did not make his son director of pro-personnel, Ted Thompson (the current GM and NOT RELATED) did

please refer to Websters dictionary if still unclear

I'm not struggling with it. I'm the guy who is saying it isn't surprising or revolutionary in the sports world and listed multiple examples across multiple sports. The Jones family run the Cowboys as a family business. I take it you wouldn't if you were smart enough to find a way to make enough money to buy a football team and run it like a family business. You'd do nothing for your wife, nothing for your siblings, nothing for your kids.

You're a great man. Thumbs up.

 

[Risen Star]

Must. defend. team. at. all. costs.

Fan. card. at. risk.

 

[Hostile]

So that whole thing about how other teams do the same thing and its no big deal was just a smokescreen. . .

Way to take a stand!

The stand I took was against Jerry's daughter and grandson being chided by jerks. It really wasn't that hard to grasp.