Twitter: Stephen Jones: Josh Norman wants too much for Cowboys comfort

[CowboyRoy]

So he must want more than Carr....

The funniest thing is listening to some of these biased Cowboys fans act like this isnt a good move for the Commanders. They got one of the better corners in the league. And then to hear some compare Carr to Norman is just laughable. Washington paid a lot no doubt, but it was actually less than what I thought it would be. And unlike the Cowboys, they clearly can afford to do so. Their team is much better after the signing, end of story. And no doubt these same biased Cowboys fans would be claiming we are now a contender had the Cowboys done the same thing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well yeah but still they were the best team in east last year lol which isnt saying much.
They have a decent team but are lacking in many areas, so signing a guy like norman isnt smart
at this point in time.
miami payed big for suh and what 8-8 or less, it wasnt the right time to sign a big $ guy.

Great move for the Skins end of story. To say anything else is nothing more than homer biased.

 

[DCBoysfan]

The funniest thing is listening to some of these biased Cowboys fans act like this isnt a good move for the Commanders. They got one of the better corners in the league. And then to hear some compare Carr to Norman is just laughable. Washington paid a lot no doubt, but it was actually less than what I thought it would be. And unlike the Cowboys, they clearly can afford to do so. Their team is much better after the signing, end of story. And no doubt these same biased Cowboys fans would be claiming we are now a contender had the Cowboys done the same thing.

He is a good player that could improve that defense if he can repeat his play from last year. Any team in the league could have afforded him, the skins were the team that was wiling to step up and pay him. Most teams not a days know how to manipulate the salary cap.

 

[dfense]

We do - I really dislike the notion that a great secondary can overcome an anemic pass rush. It's totally the opposite of reality. No, an anemic pass rush can make a top secondary look completely average. It all starts up front.

I'm sure it does. But it was just a dream.

 

[SPCowboysfan9]

You can call it homerism or whatever but I do not think this is a good deal. That kind of money for a guy who just came off his breakout season with a dominant defense. Would I like to add him to our secondary? YES. But at that salary ABSOLUTELY NO. Saying he's better than Carr blah blah means nothing. Throwing more potential bad money is not the way to fix past mistakes.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You can call it homerism or whatever but I do not think this is a good deal. That kind of money for a guy who just came off his breakout season with a dominant defense. Would I like to add him to our secondary? YES. But at that salary ABSOLUTELY NO. Saying he's better than Carr blah blah means nothing. Throwing more potential bad money is not the way to fix past mistakes.

It's not a good deal.

Cornerback is the worst position to pay big $$$ for because they are routinely overvalued and the injury rate is the highest of any position in the league.

And even coming back from injury doesn't mean the CB in the clear. It's like MLB pitcher that loses 2 mph on their fastball. They are suddenly very hittable. Lost 1/2 step as a cornerback and now you become a target.

I'm glad Jerry thinks this way. We've tried it this way for the past 20 years and it has burned us or we just don't get the production that matches what we are paying. At best, you're better off doing what the Patriots did with Revis and Talib, pay them big $$$, but do it on a 1-year deal so you can get out of it if the CB gets injured.

This may be a good thing for the Cowboys if Jerry is no longer interested in paying big $$$$ to corners.




YR

 

[Reality]

Great move for the Skins end of story. To say anything else is nothing more than homer biased.

The "end" of the story won't be played out at least for two seasons. If he's the best corner in the league for the next two seasons, he will be worth every penny they paid including the dead money against the cap they will have to deal with if he leaves when he demands more money as a result after his second year. If he fails to be the best corner in the league over the next two seasons, this will be yet another horrible offseason free agent signing that the Commanders.

There are plenty of unknown variables still remaining with Norman such as will he fit in well with the Commanders defensive scheme? Will he get hurt and/or deal with injuries the next couple of seasons? Most importantly, was he more the product of the Panthers system and players around him or was he really one of the best corners in the NFL in Carolina? To say anything definitive about the answers to these questions now is pure speculation no matter how adamant someone tries to make their opinions.

There's no question most Cowboys fans would take Norman over Carr just like most Cowboys fans would have loved to have kept Murray. It's naive to think its that simple. If the Giants said they would trade OBJ for our 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 first round picks, would you do that? If Tom Brady was a free agent and said he would play for the Cowboys for $40 million per year, would you do that? Just because a player is an upgrade and just because we (and the Cowboys) would love to have him on the team does not mean its a smart move.

 

[ksadler1]

The funniest thing is listening to some of these biased Cowboys fans act like this isnt a good move for the Commanders. They got one of the better corners in the league. And then to hear some compare Carr to Norman is just laughable. Washington paid a lot no doubt, but it was actually less than what I thought it would be. And unlike the Cowboys, they clearly can afford to do so. Their team is much better after the signing, end of story. And no doubt these same biased Cowboys fans would be claiming we are now a contender had the Cowboys done the same thing.

Do you honestly think anyone on this board would think we would be anywhere near a contender with Norman? I don't know what you've been reading here, but it sure as hell isn't homerism.....

 

[CowboyRoy]

The "end" of the story won't be played out at least for two seasons. If he's the best corner in the league for the next two seasons, he will be worth every penny they paid including the dead money against the cap they will have to deal with if he leaves when he demands more money as a result after his second year. If he fails to be the best corner in the league over the next two seasons, this will be yet another horrible offseason free agent signing that the Commanders.

There are plenty of unknown variables still remaining with Norman such as will he fit in well with the Commanders defensive scheme? Will he get hurt and/or deal with injuries the next couple of seasons? Most importantly, was he more the product of the Panthers system and players around him or was he really one of the best corners in the NFL in Carolina? To say anything definitive about the answers to these questions now is pure speculation no matter how adamant someone tries to make their opinions.

There's no question most Cowboys fans would take Norman over Carr just like most Cowboys fans would have loved to have kept Murray. It's naive to think its that simple. If the Giants said they would trade OBJ for our 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 first round picks, would you do that? If Tom Brady was a free agent and said he would play for the Cowboys for $40 million per year, would you do that? Just because a player is an upgrade and just because we (and the Cowboys) would love to have him on the team does not mean its a smart move.

If he is a top 5 corner that will be good enough. He still improves them greatly. These are usually 3 year type deals anyway. And considering we paid Carr 10 million per season and got 1 interception in 4 years and he was burnt nearly every game, no Cowboy fan should be complaining in the least. That is at least how I feel.

 

[aikemirv]

This type of deal did not work our for the Eagles a few years ago. Huge FA deals rarely work out. I don't know if is the pressure that it puts on the player to succeed or if the money goes to their heads but it is rare to be a success.

Hopefully the results will follow the Haynesworth deal the Commanders did a few years ago!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Do you honestly think anyone on this board would think we would be anywhere near a contender with Norman? I don't know what you've been reading here, but it sure as hell isn't homerism.....

There was a thread started a few days ago that was titled "would signing Josh Norman make us a contender"?

 

[Reality]

If he is a top 5 corner that will be good enough.

That's *if* .. and he's being paid to be the best corner, not top 5

He still improves them greatly.

Opinion at this point.

These are usually 3 year type deals anyway.

If he plays like the top corner they paid him to be, he will want more money before year 3.

And considering we paid Carr 10 million per season and got 1 interception in 4 years and he was burnt nearly every game, no Cowboy fan should be complaining in the least.

Carr's deal is irrelevant to judging Norman's deal. If anything, it makes us more "realistic" in our judgement of paying a corner way too much money. There's no disputing the Cowboys way overpaid Carr, with most of us saying that when it happened. A few years ago when the Eagles signed Nnamdi Asomugha in free agency, a lot of fans were saying the same thing you and other fans are saying now about Norman. That's not to say the results will be the same, but the apocalyptic rhetoric is the same for sure.

That is at least how I feel.

Fair enough.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That's *if* .. and he's being paid to be the best corner, not top 5

Opinion at this point.

If he plays like the top corner they paid him to be, he will want more money before year 3.

Carr's deal is irrelevant to judging Norman's deal. If anything, it makes us more "realistic" in our judgement of paying a corner way too much money. There's no disputing the Cowboys way overpaid Carr, with most of us saying that when it happened. A few years ago when the Eagles signed Nnamdi Asomugha in free agency, a lot of fans were saying the same thing you and other fans are saying now about Norman. That's not to say the results will be the same, but the apocalyptic rhetoric is the same for sure.

Fair enough.

If you cant even admit he improves their team then really there is nothing to talk about. That is so overboard unrealistic its beyond reason. REALITY? REALLY?

 

[Reality]

If you cant even admit he improves their team then really there is nothing to talk about. That is so overboard unrealistic its beyond reason. REALITY? REALLY?

Until we see how he performs in the Commanders system and without the Panthers system and surrounding players, you cannot say he improves their team at this point. I'm sure the Eagles though Murray, the top running back in the league in 2014, was going to dramatically improve their team in 2015 as well.

I think Norman is a good cornerback. I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think he's worth what the Commanders paid him just like I wanted to keep Murray but I didn't think he was worth what he Eagles paid him.

It may turn out that Norman is the best corner in the NFL the next two seasons and *if* that happens, he will be worth every penny the Commanders paid for him. However, at this point, all you have are assumptions and opinions no matter how vehemently you try to state them as otherwise.

 

[ksadler1]

There was a thread started a few days ago that was titled "would signing Josh Norman make us a contender"?

I'll have to take a look at it, but I'm pretty sure the majority here feel there's a lot more issues with this D than a CB. Maybe I just missed it, but I haven't seen one person post that Norman would have taken this D to another level. Even so, how far up from terrible could that level be?.....

 

[CowboyRoy]

Until we see how he performs in the Commanders system and without the Panthers system and surrounding players, you cannot say he improves their team at this point. I'm sure the Eagles though Murray, the top running back in the league in 2014, was going to dramatically improve their team in 2015 as well.

I think Norman is a good cornerback. I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think he's worth what the Commanders paid him just like I wanted to keep Murray but I didn't think he was worth what he Eagles paid him.

It may turn out that Norman is the best corner in the NFL the next two seasons and *if* that happens, he will be worth every penny the Commanders paid for him. However, at this point, all you have are assumptions and opinions no matter how vehemently you try to state them as otherwise.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Until we see how he performs in the Commanders system and without the Panthers system and surrounding players, you cannot say he improves their team at this point. I'm sure the Eagles though Murray, the top running back in the league in 2014, was going to dramatically improve their team in 2015 as well.

I think Norman is a good cornerback. I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think he's worth what the Commanders paid him just like I wanted to keep Murray but I didn't think he was worth what he Eagles paid him.

It may turn out that Norman is the best corner in the NFL the next two seasons and *if* that happens, he will be worth every penny the Commanders paid for him. However, at this point, all you have are assumptions and opinions no matter how vehemently you try to state them as otherwise.

So you mean we cant know 100% for sure until it actually happens on the field? Yah, well I guess who can argue that. But from where I am sitting, I watched him play. Granted the rest of their D helped, but in my mind he improves it from day one. Not sure I have to see it, but no doubt we wont know until he does.

 

[Nightman]

So you mean we cant know 100% for sure until it actually happens on the field? Yah, well I guess who can argue that. But from where I am sitting, I watched him play. Granted the rest of their D helped, but in my mind he improves it from day one. Not sure I have to see it, but no doubt we wont know until he does.

DAL fans have been so brainwashed into downplaying every big signing because we don't make big signings anymore. It is a defense mechanism.

Of course Norman makes WAS better
Of course OVernon makes NYG better
Just like they would fill huge needs and make us better

It is just like a 1st round pick makes a team better but we don't see people advocating not drafting in the 1st anymore because Claiborne was a bust

You can improve your team by the draft, by trades and by FA. We have basically given up on FA

There is no evidence that new Cowboy way works either but so many fans sure have bought it. We are .500 under and this is his 7th year of RKG's and value signings

 

[ksadler1]

There is no evidence that new Cowboy way works either but so many fans sure have bought it. We are .500 under and this is his 7th year of RKG's and value signings

Yea, for the life of me I can't figure out why they changed the way they've done things over the past 20+ years. It's worked out so well.....

 

[CowboyRoy]

Until we see how he performs in the Commanders system and without the Panthers system and surrounding players, you cannot say he improves their team at this point. I'm sure the Eagles though Murray, the top running back in the league in 2014, was going to dramatically improve their team in 2015 as well.

I think Norman is a good cornerback. I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think he's worth what the Commanders paid him just like I wanted to keep Murray but I didn't think he was worth what he Eagles paid him.

It may turn out that Norman is the best corner in the NFL the next two seasons and *if* that happens, he will be worth every penny the Commanders paid for him. However, at this point, all you have are assumptions and opinions no matter how vehemently you try to state them as otherwise.

One thing is for sure.............Dez and

DAL fans have been so brainwashed into downplaying every big signing because we don't make big signings anymore. It is a defense mechanism.

Of course Norman makes WAS better
Of course OVernon makes NYG better
Just like they would fill huge needs and make us better

It is just like a 1st round pick makes a team better but we don't see people advocating not drafting in the 1st anymore because Claiborne was a bust

You can improve your team by the draft, by trades and by FA. We have basically given up on FA

There is no evidence that new Cowboy way works either but so many fans sure have bought it. We are .500 under and this is his 7th year of RKG's and value signings

The ONLY reason to go cheap in FA is so that you can get the salary cap under control and get some room in the future to sign notable FA's. Depending on FA to fill your roster is dumb. But a quality FA a year to fill a major hole if you can afford it works nicely.