Twitter: Stephen Jones: Josh Norman wants too much for Cowboys comfort

[Reality]

I have a feeling that Norman is going to use the Revis/T.O. contract tactic which is basically, play 1-2 years with a team, then demand more money because he's not making as much per year as he did in years 1 and 2 and with a new contract, he can get another signing bonus.

Norman is no different than Murray was for us. There's no clear answer whether his success was based on his abilities or the players and scheme around him. Given the Commanders already have a solid defense, the odds are good he will play well for them.

However, you have to ask yourself why the Panthers, who just went to the Super Bowl and have plenty of cap space, did not feel he was worth keeping. That's a huge red flag for me. The same could be said for when the Cowboys did not resign Murray. It made a lot of teams concerned about his own ability versus the players and scheme around him. What did Murray do after signing with another team? Nothing.

There is no way I would have paid Norman the kind of money the Commanders did. The Commanders have done this over and over again through the years and it has rarely worked out well for them, especially beyond one year. The fact that the Commanders were so desperate to sign Norman and to spend that kind of money should be a red flag alone.

 

[Clove]

No thanks. I'd rather focus on the front 7. Besides, our biggest need in the secondary is a safety.

We've been drafting for front 7 for years. Geesh

 

[Daillest88]

We've been drafting for front 7 for years. Geesh

Yeah well just cuz it hasn't worked out you can't give up on the "process"

 

[ChooChoo73]

I have a feeling that Norman is going to use the Revis/T.O. contract tactic which is basically, play 1-2 years with a team, then demand more money because he's not making as much per year as he did in years 1 and 2 and with a new contract, he can get another signing bonus.

Norman is no different than Murray was for us. There's no clear answer whether his success was based on his abilities or the players and scheme around him. Given the Commanders already have a solid defense, the odds are good he will play well for them.

However, you have to ask yourself why the Panthers, who just went to the Super Bowl and have plenty of cap space, did not feel he was worth keeping. That's a huge red flag for me. The same could be said for when the Cowboys did not resign Murray. It made a lot of teams concerned about his own ability versus the players and scheme around him. What did Murray do after signing with another team? Nothing.

There is no way I would have paid Norman the kind of money the Commanders did. The Commanders have done this over and over again through the years and it has rarely worked out well for them, especially beyond one year. The fact that the Commanders were so desperate to sign Norman and to spend that kind of money should be a red flag alone.

I can't judge the Skins off of the past now that they have a proven GM running player acquisition. Yes they were buffoons but they look like the most competent operation in the division to me now. Time will tell but Carolina not signing Norman means nothing to me. Seems they did not want to pay top money for Norman while others did. Simple.

Murray sucked in Philly. I'm not sure how good he is or was with us either. Too many other good players moved and did just fine such as Ware, Peppers, D Jackson, D Hall, Talib, Revis and many more. As long as Dallas at least explored Norman I'm good. i don't really think they know what they are doing though and I believe they can find success but it will be despite themselves. Sort of like the busted clock is right twice a day I guess.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Stephen wasn't being too accurate. Norman's deal has only $36.5m guaranteed in first 2 years. Team option in 3rd year when Norman is 30. Man wouldn't we all like to have him at that price and cut Carr's $11m this year? SMH at this FO this offseason.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

We've been drafting for front 7 for years. Geesh

How so? I'll give you D-Law. However, even though we drafted a DE (D-Law), he still wasn't our top priority since we spent our first pick on OL Zack Martin. That's like drafting a QB in the 2nd instead of the 1st and telling people to quit complaining since we drafted a QB... But I'll give you D-Law. Who else though? We drafted Gregory but that was in the late 2nd (D-Law was early 2nd) and we knew we were taking a huge risk (and look how that turned out). Then we drafted T. Craw four years ago in the 3rd round to play in a 3-4... That's it. That's how much we've addressed our front 7 in the past 5 years. Well, and a pair of 4th round LBers. Teams spend more on the front 7 in a single draft.

 

[MikeT22]

We've been drafting for front 7 for years. Geesh

Mainly LB's. Maybe should focus on the front 4, specifically the interior and DE's that won't get suspended.

 

[ringmaster]

I have a feeling that Norman is going to use the Revis/T.O. contract tactic which is basically, play 1-2 years with a team, then demand more money because he's not making as much per year as he did in years 1 and 2 and with a new contract, he can get another signing bonus.

Norman is no different than Murray was for us. There's no clear answer whether his success was based on his abilities or the players and scheme around him. Given the Commanders already have a solid defense, the odds are good he will play well for them.

However, you have to ask yourself why the Panthers, who just went to the Super Bowl and have plenty of cap space, did not feel he was worth keeping. That's a huge red flag for me. The same could be said for when the Cowboys did not resign Murray. It made a lot of teams concerned about his own ability versus the players and scheme around him. What did Murray do after signing with another team? Nothing.

There is no way I would have paid Norman the kind of money the Commanders did. The Commanders have done this over and over again through the years and it has rarely worked out well for them, especially beyond one year. The fact that the Commanders were so desperate to sign Norman and to spend that kind of money should be a red flag alone.

You're right the Commanders gave Norman, the farm with that astronomical contract imo he wasn't really that relied upon in the Panthers' defense given the talent around him and now he will be the guy relied upon in Washington and if he doesn't deliver the goods then this will come to burn Washington big time now we will see his worth as a top tier DB for sure.

 

[TheHerd]

You're right the Commanders gave Norman, the farm with that astronomical contract imo he wasn't really that relied upon in the Panthers' defense given the talent around him and now he will be the guy relied upon in Washington and if he doesn't deliver the goods then this will come to burn Washington big time now we will see his worth as a top tier DB for sure.

That deal actually doesn't seem that over the top. Ands we all heard the exact same things about Philly and the Murray and Maxwell deals, while a year later both players are gone and Philly doesn't seem to be in any cap trouble at all. Our cap is far worse than theirs.

If Norman plays even two years, the Skins won't be in any trouble at all. Amd my feeling is that he'll be giving Dez fits, and our other receivers proved how well they perform workout Dez last year. We're a completely Romo dependent team.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

That deal actually doesn't seem that over the top. Ands we all heard the exact same things about Philly and the Murray and Maxwell deals, while a year later both players are gone and Philly doesn't seem to be in any cap trouble at all. Our cap is far worse than theirs.

The deal is 2 years, $36.5M

 

[TheHerd]

The deal is 2 years, $36.5M

Exactly. And because they have tons of cap space, that isn't bad at all. If we had the same cap room, Stephen probably world have had no issue with the cash outlay. It's all about the cap.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Exactly. And because they have tons of cap space, that isn't bad at all. If we had the same cap room, Stephen probably world have had no issue with the cash outlay. It's all about the cap.

I don't think WAS had much more cap room than us, but I could be mistaken

 

[visionary]

Nothing this team does pleases some of you. If they pay this guy 16m over 5 years and he turns into Average CB it'll be "stupid Cowboys overpaying a corner.....again"

This is just an ignorant post
This was the right decision by the FO
MANY posters have praised the occasional smart decision by the FO
Those decisions just get lost in the deluge of idiotic decisions unfortunately

 

[xvendettax914]

This is just an ignorant post
This was the right decision by the FO
MANY posters have praised the occasional smart decision by the FO
Those decisions just get lost in the deluge of idiotic decisions unfortunately

Its not ignorant in any way. It is directed at those who complain for the sake of complaining. Clearly.

 

[TheHerd]

I don't think WAS had much more cap room than us, but I could be mistaken

This year they had a bit more than us, but over the next few years they had a lot more. Like 58 million next year, and >100 in 2018. This the the 2-3 year deal for Norman (which is the real deal) works for them

 

[Nightman]

I have a feeling that Norman is going to use the Revis/T.O. contract tactic which is basically, play 1-2 years with a team, then demand more money because he's not making as much per year as he did in years 1 and 2 and with a new contract, he can get another signing bonus.

Norman is no different than Murray was for us. There's no clear answer whether his success was based on his abilities or the players and scheme around him. Given the Commanders already have a solid defense, the odds are good he will play well for them.

However, you have to ask yourself why the Panthers, who just went to the Super Bowl and have plenty of cap space, did not feel he was worth keeping. That's a huge red flag for me. The same could be said for when the Cowboys did not resign Murray. It made a lot of teams concerned about his own ability versus the players and scheme around him. What did Murray do after signing with another team? Nothing.

There is no way I would have paid Norman the kind of money the Commanders did. The Commanders have done this over and over again through the years and it has rarely worked out well for them, especially beyond one year. The fact that the Commanders were so desperate to sign Norman and to spend that kind of money should be a red flag alone.

CAR made a huge mistake and will regret it.

8-9 teams immediately jumped on Norman and we should have been one of them. Cut Carr to pay for it.

The Murray deal was also a huge mistake by us. Just because he didn't fit PHI's offense doesn't mean he wasn't a perfect fit here.

 

[Nightman]

I cant tell what you guys are arguing about lol.
Is BK saying we should have signed norman and cut carr?

Yes and twice on Sunday

Carr is the 80th ranked CB and is getting 9.1m this year
Norman is the top rated CB and is getting 8m this year(19m next year but that will be restructured)

 

[Nightman]

The deal is 2 years, $36.5M

I would say 3/51m..they won't willingly eat that much(9m dead money) after 2 years.....they could always trade him though

 

[Reality]

CAR made a huge mistake and will regret it.

They don't seem too concerned considering they could have easily kept him this season via the franchise tag since cap space was not an issue.

8-9 teams immediately jumped on Norman and we should have been one of them. Cut Carr to pay for it.

It was "reported" that several teams were interested, but that's a far cry from 8-9 teams being seriously interested. The Cowboys were one of those teams but the player wanted too much so they moved on, just like most other teams. When it came down to his asking price, only two teams were seriously interested. Even the 49ers who could have easily signed him and needed him badly backed off.

The Murray deal was also a huge mistake by us. Just because he didn't fit PHI's offense doesn't mean he wasn't a perfect fit here.

This is still pure speculation at this point. Maybe Murray needed the Cowboys offensive line or offensive scheme to be successful. Maybe it was the scheme in Philly or how they used him. At this point, all we can say for sure is that with the Cowboys, he had 1,800+ yards. One season later with another team, he had less than 1,000.

That said, I think most fans wanted him to stay in Dallas. I know I did, but I did not want to pay $8-10 million per year for a running back who had only played one full season without injury who only seemed to excel once he was in a contract year. Just like Norman.

 

[Craig]

Despite the history of all running backs that tske on the kind of workload having huge dropoffs the following year, im sure it was the scheme that did Murray in. Of course it was, precedent be damned.