Stephen Jones Nails Coffin Shut On Greg Hardy Rumors

[Reverend Conehead]

He had his chance.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

That coffin was nailed shut a long time ago....

Not just nailed shut; burned and ashes dumped at sea.

 

[CowboyChris]

i respect they dont want to mess with Hardy anymore....but i still think its a mistake.

 

[Sydla]

not excuse, FACT.....Watch any playoff or Superbowl games from the defensive line of the 90's cowboys....and how disruptive Maryland, Jeffcoat,, Lett, Castillas, and Hennings were inside and how many Sacks, Jones, Tolbert and Haley got cleaning up from a Quarterback being moved off his spot in the pocket from pressure up the middle where the offensive tackles are expecting the quarterback to be......Glover was the last real consistent inside presence this team had other than Ratliff.....This team rarely gets pressure up the middle..

Except it's not a "fact". You still need good to great DEs to get pressure. Haley was a hall of fame edge player, for example. He wasn't some schlep who just got sacks because Lett and others were killing it inside.

So again, if you want to think we have some great DEs here as long as the DTs pressure up the middle, have at it.

 

[Sydla]

And for the record, I am not suggesting they bring Hardy back. But it looks kinda funny that Hardy is persona non grata but then you'll try out Demontre Moore today.

In reality, the time to fix the pass rush has come and gone. They have to lie in the bed they made.

 

[tyke1doe]

Is this article 3 months old? Not exactly new news any more.

Some Cowboys fans need another reminder.

 

[UTmodisette]

Except it's not a "fact". You still need good to great DEs to get pressure. Haley was a hall of fame edge player.

So again, if you want to think we have some great DEs here as long as the DTs pressure up the middle, have at it.

Look at Carolina last year. Not saying we have that kind of elite DT talent, but their defensive ends were average at best all season. If the Cowboys are more willing to blitz this season and the DTs bring pressure up the middle then I'm willing to bet Dallas will have enough pressure.

 

[MRV52]

That coffin was nailed shut a long time ago....

I didn't even know we had a coffin.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Except it's not a "fact". You still need good to great DEs to get pressure. Haley was a hall of fame edge player, for example. He wasn't some schlep who just got sacks because Lett and others were killing it inside.

So again, if you want to think we have some great DEs here as long as the DTs pressure up the middle, have at it.

tell that to teams who won Superbowls, Chicago, Cowboys, Giants, Baltimore, Seattle, etc it's not all about the defensive ends which you seem to think it is...

 

[The Quest for Six]

i respect they dont want to mess with Hardy anymore....but i still think its a mistake.

and every other team is so flush with defensive ends, they don't want him either, right??

 

[Sydla]

Look at Carolina last year. Not saying we have that kind of elite DT talent, but their defensive ends were average at best all season. If the Cowboys are more willing to blitz this season and the DTs bring pressure up the middle then I'm willing to bet Dallas will have enough pressure.

Well you are adding another factor.......... blitzing. I agree. I think this team is going to have to blitz more to get pressure. The question is will Marinelli do that? His preferred style is have the front four generate the pressure. I don't believe we have the DEs to do that.

And frankly, I am not sure we have the DTs to do that consistently as well either. I love the Thornton signing, but he's not a pass rush guy, for example. Crawford is going to have to play much better.

 

[Sydla]

tell that to teams who won Superbowls, Chicago, Cowboys, Giants, Baltimore, Seattle, etc it's not all about the defensive ends which you seem to think it is...

LOL.

Chicago? They had Richard Dent, who is a Hall of Fame DE with over 135 sacks in his career. In their Super Bowl year, Dent had 17 sacks. The Bears defensive front had great DTs and great DEs.

Cowboys? They had Charles Haley as a pass rushing end for their SB teams. Again, they had quality at DT and DE.

So you've yet to give me an example of a team with middling to mediocre to possibly below average DE talent that had a great pass rush because of strong DT play.

 

[tyke1doe]

I still think posters who call the Cowboys' actions hypocritical don't understand what the issue is.

It's NOT domestic abuse, though the Jones alluded to the release of the pictures. It is that Greg Hardy was - by all accounts - insubordinate.

As I've stated repeatedly, the one sin that is NOT FORGIVEABLE when dealing with team and group dynamics involving clear authority/subordinate structure is insubordination. A group can deal with drugs, alcoholism, even domestic abuse. But insubordination won't fly because it strikes at the heart of any and all group dynamics. And you simply can't tolerate a player/team member/soldier etc., who exhibits insubordination and rebels against authority, and especially not group dynamics that involve a strong Alpha Male structure/leader.

Again, no one here with an A-type personality would allow another man to disrespect him if you were the leader of a family/team/business/group, etc.

If you did, then you are either very passive and/or those in your charge would have ZERO respect for you and would only regard you as a figurehead.

 

[The Quest for Six]

[QUOTE="Sydla, post: 6756419, member: 37959"

Again, they had quality at DT and DE..[/QUOTE]

And there's the point you fail to grasp, Dallas doesn't have quality defensive tackles which only makes your defensive ends better

 

[Stash]

He had his chance.

He screwed it up, no doubt.

 

[Sydla]

I still think posters who call the Cowboys' actions hypocritical don't understand what the issue is.

It's NOT domestic abuse, though the Jones alluded to the release of the pictures. It is that Greg Hardy was - by all accounts - insubordinate.

As I've stated repeatedly, the one sin that is NOT FORGIVEABLE when dealing with team and group dynamics involving clear authority/subordinate structure is insubordination. A group can deal with drugs, alcoholism, even domestic abuse. But insubordination won't fly because it strikes at the heart of any and all group dynamics. And you simply can't tolerate a player/team member/soldier etc., who exhibits insubordination and rebels against authority, and especially not group dynamics that involves a strong Alpha Male structure/leader.

Again, no one here with an A-type personality would allow another man to disrespect him if you were the leader of a family/team/business/group, etc.

If you did, then you are either very passive and/or those in your charge would have ZERO respect for you and would only regard you as a figurehead.

Ummmm............. Moore got cut from the Giants because he was insubordinate. He got in a fight with Jenkins over headphones. This after other altercations with players in the locker room that the team had to discipline him for. He also apparently broke a few other team rules.

So yeah, there is some hypocrisy here if the team won't touch Hardy because he was insubordinate but then would consider adding Moore.

 

[UTmodisette]

Well you are adding another factor.......... blitzing. I agree. I think this team is going to have to blitz more to get pressure. The question is will Marinelli do that? His preferred style is have the front four generate the pressure. I don't believe we have the DEs to do that.

And frankly, I am not sure we have the DTs to do that consistently as well either. I love the Thornton signing, but he's not a pass rush guy, for example. Crawford is going to have to play much better.

Both are valid questions. I think promoting the linebacker coach to defensive passing game coordinator was a sign that they need to blitz the passer more. I don't think they will all of a sudden become a blitz-happy team, but I do think guys like Byron Jones, Lee, and Scandrick will be used on blitzes more often.

Agreed on Crawford needing to play better. He's not on Kawann Short's level, but he needs to prove last year's lack of impact was due to his shoulder injury. I think having a guy like Thornton and McClain demanding double teams will help him out though, even if they don't get a lot of sacks themselves.

 

[Stash]

i respect they dont want to mess with Hardy anymore....but i still think its a mistake.

It's certainly hypocritical when they're working out a scumbag like Damontre Moore.

 

[Sydla]

[QUOTE="Sydla, post: 6756419, member: 37959"

Again, they had quality at DT and DE..

And there's the point you fail to grasp, Dallas doesn't have quality defensive tackles which only makes your defensive ends better[/QUOTE]

Actually I grasp that. You just can't read.

My point is that even with good DT play, we lack quality at the edge positions to be a great pass rushing team. Right now, the DTs on this team are much better than the DEs.

 

[tyke1doe]

Ummmm............. Moore got cut from the Giants because he was insubordinate. He got in a fight with Jenkins over headphones. This after other altercations with players in the locker room that the team had to discipline him for. He also apparently broke a few other team rules.

So yeah, there is some hypocrisy here if the team won't touch Hardy because he was insubordinate but then would consider adding Moore.

Has Moore been insubordinate with the Cowboys?
Also, the fact he got cut from the Giants based on insubordination is proof that what I've said it true. Though it's not me, per se, but a principle that governs life.
When Moore starts fighting with the Cowboy coaches and ignoring the Cowboy coaches, he'll be gone just as he was with the Giants.
Bank on it!