Stephen Jones Nails Coffin Shut On Greg Hardy Rumors

[Sydla]

Both are valid questions. I think promoting the linebacker coach to defensive passing game coordinator was a sign that they need to blitz the passer more. I don't think they will all of a sudden become a blitz-happy team, but I do think guys like Byron Jones, Lee, and Scandrick will be used on blitzes more often.

Agreed on Crawford needing to play better. He's not on Kawann Short's level, but he needs to prove last year's lack of impact was due to his shoulder injury. I think having a guy like Thornton and McClain demanding double teams will help him out though, even if they don't get a lot of sacks themselves.

Crawford did lead the team in pressures last year and that was hurt. So hopefully if healthy and having a real DT playing next to him at the 1 Tech, his pressure totals jump significantly.

 

[Stash]

I still think posters who call the Cowboys' actions hypocritical don't understand what the issue is.

It's NOT domestic abuse, though the Jones alluded to the release of the pictures. It is that Greg Hardy was - by all accounts - insubordinate.

As I've stated repeatedly, the one sin that is NOT FORGIVEABLE when dealing with team and group dynamics involving clear authority/subordinate structure is insubordination. A group can deal with drugs, alcoholism, even domestic abuse. But insubordination won't fly because it strikes at the heart of any and all group dynamics. And you simply can't tolerate a player/team member/soldier etc., who exhibits insubordination and rebels against authority, and especially not group dynamics that involve a strong Alpha Male structure/leader.

Again, no one here with an A-type personality would allow another man to disrespect him if you were the leader of a family/team/business/group, etc.

If you did, then you are either very passive and/or those in your charge would have ZERO respect for you and would only regard you as a figurehead.

Have you researched Damontre Moore's history?

 

[Stash]

Has Moore been insubordinate with the Cowboys?

Really? That's where you're gonna go?

 

[Sydla]

Has Moore been insubordinate with the Cowboys?

You really want to go down that rabbit hole?

It doesn't matter if he's been insubordinate with the Cowboys or not. The fact is, he has a well earned reputation as being a pain in the butt. So when your front office comes out and says essentially they don't want Hardy because he was a clubhouse problem, you look foolish then trying out a guy who was also another clubhouse problem (and frankly, Moore's clubhouse issues are far more documented and visible than Hardy's) even if it's from a different team (although there are some reports he was a pain in the butt in Miami as well).

 

[Stash]

Crawford did lead the team in pressures last year and that was hurt. So hopefully if healthy and having a real DT playing next to him at the 1 Tech, his pressure totals jump significantly.

I hope so. This defense really needs him to, and he's being paid to do that. His play will be key this year.

 

[Stash]

You really want to go down that rabbit hole?

It doesn't matter if he's been insubordinate with the Cowboys or not. The fact is, he has a well earned reputation as being a pain in the butt. So when your front office comes out and says essentially they don't want Hardy because he was a clubhouse problem, you look foolish then trying out a guy who was also another clubhouse problem (and frankly, Moore's clubhouse issues are far more documented and visible than Hardy's).

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

 

[tyke1doe]

Really? That's where you're gonna go?

Yes, I'm going there. Has Moore been insubordinate with the Cowboys? Has he shown blatant disrespect towards the Cowboys coaches?

 

[Sydla]

Yes, I'm going there. Has Moore been insubordinate with the Cowboys? Has he shown blatant disrespect towards the Cowboys coaches?

Oy.

 

[tyke1doe]

You really want to go down that rabbit hole?

It doesn't matter if he's been insubordinate with the Cowboys or not.

Uh, yes, it does. His insubordination got him fired from another team - if I take what you say as truthful.

Maybe the Cowboys think it will be different with them than it was with other clubs, just as people give other people second chances in life even though they've messed up with others.

The key is what he does with the Cowboys. If he is a dutiful employee and team member OF THE COWBOYS, then all will be forgiven, if he can play.

But if he's not respectful (assuming he doesn't suck on the field), then he'll be gone too.

It's as simple as that.

 

[tyke1doe]

Oy.

I'm asking you a specific question. Has he been disrespectful to the Cowboys coaches and insubordinate with Dallas?

If he has, and he's still on the roster, then I'll join you in calling the Cowboys hypocritical. Until then, my point still stands.

 

[Stash]

Yes, I'm going there. Has Moore been insubordinate with the Cowboys? Has he shown blatant disrespect towards the Cowboys coaches?

He hasn't had the chance yet. But he's burned three bridges in 6 months' time. Do you really want to be bridge #4?

The hypocrisy of the move is clear. Hardy's bad, this guy's worse.

 

[Stash]

Uh, yes, it does. His insubordination got him fired from another team - if I take what you say as truthful.

Maybe the Cowboys think it will be different with them than it was with other clubs, just as people give other people second chances in life even though they've messed up with others.

The key is what he does with the Cowboys. If he is a dutiful employee and team member OF THE COWBOYS, then all will be forgiven, if he can play.

But if he's not respectful (assuming he doesn't suck on the field), then he'll be gone too.

It's as simple as that.

And you're honestly not seeing the blatant hypocrisy here?

 

[Falco78]

[QUOTE="Sydla, post: 6756419, member: 37959"

Again, they had quality at DT and DE..

And there's the point you fail to grasp, Dallas doesn't have quality defensive tackles which only makes your defensive ends better[/QUOTE]
I'd have to disagree with you there as Crawford is a terror inside when healthy. Him being healthy again this year will definitely help the middle of our DL

 

[Stash]

I'm asking you a specific question. Has he been disrespectful to the Cowboys coaches and insubordinate with Dallas?

If he has, and he's still on the roster, then I'll join you in calling the Cowboys hypocritical. Until then, my point still stands.

No, it doesn't. Not by a longshot.

 

[Sydla]

Uh, yes, it does. His insubordination got him fired from another team - if I take what you say as truthful.

Maybe the Cowboys think it will be different with them than it was with other clubs, just as people give other people second chances in life even though they've messed up with others.

The key is what he does with the Cowboys. If he is a dutiful employee and team member OF THE COWBOYS, then all will be forgiven, if he can play.

But if he's not respectful (assuming he doesn't suck on the field), then he'll be gone too.

It's as simple as that.

LOL. Take what I say as truthful? It was well documented why he was let loose by the Giants. He got into a fight with Cullen Jenkins over headphones and that was the final straw after he had been in other publicized altercations with other teammates.

At this point we should stop this conversation because you clearly want to hear and believe what you want.

Despite your spin to try to make the Cowboys look good here, it does look hypocritical to try out a guy in Moore who is a notorious locker room problem when you basically say you cant' deal with Hardy anymore because he's a locker room problem.

 

[tyke1doe]

He hasn't had the chance yet. But he's burned three bridges in 6 months' time. Do you really want to be bridge #4?

The hypocrisy of the move is clear. Hardy's bad, this guy's worse.

Well, many thought the Cowboys shouldn't have given Hardy a chance. And yet, the Cowboys did.

And now they are giving Moore a chance, just like they did Hardy - a player many of you wish was still wearing the star.

Moore has yet to blow his chance. Judging by his background, he will likely do just that. But just as many thought Hardy would reform, maybe there's the same hope for Moore.

 

[CowboyChris]

You really want to go down that rabbit hole?

It doesn't matter if he's been insubordinate with the Cowboys or not. The fact is, he has a well earned reputation as being a pain in the butt. So when your front office comes out and says essentially they don't want Hardy because he was a clubhouse problem, you look foolish then trying out a guy who was also another clubhouse problem (and frankly, Moore's clubhouse issues are far more documented and visible than Hardy's) even if it's from a different team (although there are some reports he was a pain in the butt in Miami as well).

so what is the excuse for McClain still being on this team?

 

[Sydla]

I'm asking you a specific question. Has he been disrespectful to the Cowboys coaches and insubordinate with Dallas?

If he has, and he's still on the roster, then I'll join you in calling the Cowboys hypocritical. Until then, my point still stands.

No, if he's on the roster and is a locker room problem the Cowboys aren't hypocritical.

They are stupid. Stupid for thinking that a guy who has now been run off three teams will suddenly be a locker room angle.

 

[Sydla]

Well, many thought the Cowboys shouldn't have given Hardy a chance. And yet, the Cowboys did.

And now they are giving Moore a chance, just like they did Hardy - a player many of you wish was still wearing the star.

Moore has yet to blow his chance. Judging by his background, he will likely do just that. But just as many thought Hardy would reform, maybe there's the same hope for Moore.

Yep and now the team won't touch because they learned he's a pain in the butt.

So to then try out Moore is hypocritical on some level. It just is.

 

[Sydla]

so what is the excuse for McClain still being on this team?

Your guess is as good as mine. Barring some miraculous comeback and come to Jesus moment from him, I would like to think the Cowboys will cut ties with him this offseason.

But let's note, the problems with McClain aren't the same as Hardy or Moore. From most reports, McClain is just a knucklehead but not a locker room problem. Teammates seem to like him.