Strongest argument to take Zeke so far

[Supercowboy1986]

I think Gurley has an edge as a pure runner, but imo Zeke is the more complete back.

Thank you for your input.

 

[tyke1doe]

....or the strongest argument that I've seen anyway.




Another notable stat form the article: 4 fumbles in 3yrs.

With his abilities with the ball, blocking and stinginess turning the ball over, one could make the argument that he may be the best "defensive" player we can take in this draft.

Here's the full article:
http://draftbreakdown.com/ezekiel-elliott-and-the-twinkie/

That's what stood out for me when I first started taking note of EE. He carries the ball tight and against his chest. He doesn't give the defender may opportunities to punch, poke or strip the ball.

And all the arguments being made for him is the arguments I've made. I don't think we can go wrong picking him. Of course, I'd like a trade down, but I'm becoming okay with the idea of taking him at four.

 

[tyke1doe]

....or the strongest argument that I've seen anyway.




Another notable stat form the article: 4 fumbles in 3yrs.

With his abilities with the ball, blocking and stinginess turning the ball over, one could make the argument that he may be the best "defensive" player we can take in this draft.

Here's the full article:
http://draftbreakdown.com/ezekiel-elliott-and-the-twinkie/

Thanks for the link.
I hated the Twinkie analogy (in poor taste? ), and the piece was overwritten to put it mildly, but there was substance underneath the frosting.

I noted this section, though:

This Buckeye is no cupcake, no snowball, no T-Rich. He’s a better player than Todd Gurley from a year ago. Elliott has the timeless, indestructible talent to transcend the war on the feature back and fill up the stat sheet, not to mention the win column, for any team picking in the top five overall.

 

[kazzd58]

If you're trying to win, as you say, then I think taking Zeke slightly lower PLUS a second rounder >>>>>>>>taking Zeke only.
Seems pretty basic. An additional high second round pick is almost like getting another 1st rounder. In fact, you could pair that pick with our other 2nd and move way up to the middle of round 1 if you liked. The value is huge.

That, of course, would depend on 1) if the team really would want to burn a top pick on a RB and 2) if you could find a trade partner in the 6 to 9 range

but u need a partner to dance with in order to move down

 

[BigD5]

....or the strongest argument that I've seen anyway.




Another notable stat form the article: 4 fumbles in 3yrs.

With his abilities with the ball, blocking and stinginess turning the ball over, one could make the argument that he may be the best "defensive" player we can take in this draft.

Here's the full article:
http://draftbreakdown.com/ezekiel-elliott-and-the-twinkie/

I would think that stat strongly favors Eliot because he played against much weaker competition than Fournette and Henry

 

[ccb04]

They better not trade down further than the 7th pick. If we don't take him, then the Eagles will. And if they don't, the giants will at #10.
Our D and DL isn't that good yet to stop him twice a year.

Right now, CBS has him ranked #9 overall. So taking him at #4 is not a reach or stretch...it would be a great pick.

Indeed. If they want Zeke...#7 may very well be the furthest they could move down & still get him.

 

[reddyuta]

I find it hard to see them picking him at 4 from all the stuff Stephen has said,if we dont pick Goff then we might be able to trade down with SF and get him at 7.

 

[phildadon86]

Probably most 1st round talent that would start and not share as many snaps as Zeke will with McFadden. Off top of my head, both Alabama tackles, Bosa and if Jack or Ramsey would start, them too.

You can honestly sit there and tell me a guy with less than 5 picks, and injured linebacker and a guy that doesn't even have double digit sacks in college are going to have more of an immediate impact than the best running back in the class? Behind our o line? Wow. Alright then. Happy you aren't in the war room. Elliott helps both sides of the ball. And brings us back to our 2014 forMula which worked quite well I'd say. Rookie pass rushers are rarely if ever immediate playmakers, our line doesn't need another top ten talent as we already have 4. Ramsey is a great athlete but we can get someone later on that will have more of an impact. Imo elliott is the best pick. None of the guys you listed will do more for this team immediately than Elliott.

 

[kazzd58]

They're not taking a RB at #4. They can get a good one in the 3rd or 4th. The team needs defensive help. Look there in the early rounds for who the Cowboys will be picking. If they do pick an offensive guy in the 1st or 2nd it will be a QB.

thats the point i be trying to make is a good running back will more than likely be just that "good", so on 3rd and 3 or 4th and 2 Romo gonna have to make the play with the "good" rb which in turn increases his chances of getting hurt by passing so much in those situations cause u know Romo don't like throwing the ball away, im looking out for Romo long term or rest of his career.. now if you can guarantee me w'd get Henry in 2nd then im ok with whoever else we get at 4....

WE are fortunate to have an Elite oline to wear we can do both run and be efficient in passing game and as good as tony is at his age he don't need him to have to do everything in order for us to win.. get an Elite RB like Elliott so we can get 1st downs consistently especially on 3rd and 4th downs and he can catch too and block..... a good rb may not be able to block and that's very important in this league...

2014 formula is the way for this team and still hes the best help to a defense keeps them off the field while we still develop so say what u want our def was pretty solid last year despite having to play sooooooo much cause of our 3 and out routine every game... so im looking at that too our def is not sorry pass rush lacking but we are getting better......

 

[Rockport]

Name me a defensive player that will have more of an immediate impact than Zeke.

Bosa, Ramsey or Jack.

 

[kazzd58]

Bosa, Ramsey or Jack.

bosa??? so you really think he will have more impact than zeke at RB when pass rushers don't do much in there 1st year and that's proven statiscally... im not banking on McFadden lasting whole season

 

[phildadon86]

Bosa, Ramsey or Jack.

No. Neither one of those will have the impact Zeke will have. I wrote a whole blurb above on why. Im not going to write it again. LOL

 

[Rockport]

thats the point i be trying to make is a good running back will more than likely be just that "good", so on 3rd and 3 or 4th and 2 Romo gonna have to make the play with the "good" rb which in turn increases his chances of getting hurt by passing so much in those situations cause u know Romo don't like throwing the ball away, im looking out for Romo long term or rest of his career.. now if you can guarantee me w'd get Henry in 2nd then im ok with whoever else we get at 4....

WE are fortunate to have an Elite oline to wear we can do both run and be efficient in passing game and as good as tony is at his age he don't need him to have to do everything in order for us to win.. get an Elite RB like Elliott so we can get 1st downs consistently especially on 3rd and 4th downs and he can catch too and block..... a good rb may not be able to block and that's very important in this league...

2014 formula is the way for this team and still hes the best help to a defense keeps them off the field while we still develop so say what u want our def was pretty solid last year despite having to play sooooooo much cause of our 3 and out routine every game... so im looking at that too our def is not sorry pass rush lacking but we are getting better......

There are good RB's available in the 3rd or 4th Rd.

 

[Rockport]

No. Neither one of those will have the impact Zeke will have. I wrote a whole blurb above on why. Im not going to write it again. LOL

If we don't fix the defense then we will be behind most of the game and have to throw the ball all the time to try and catch up.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

They're not taking a RB at #4. They can get a good one in the 3rd or 4th. The team needs defensive help. Look there in the early rounds for who the Cowboys will be picking. If they do pick an offensive guy in the 1st or 2nd it will be a QB.

That's why Philthy and NewYuk want RB @ 8th and 10th because it's not worth the 4th....Dallas should trade down three slots to 7th overall or it's just not worth it to have the most complete RB in two decades.


Assinine

Zeke fits the Dallas Zone blocking scheme, 3rd down magnet to a new series, the best blocking RB to ever come out of the ranks for Romos' health and more. A plethora of extremely legitimate reasons to take him '3 slots too early.'


jeesh!

 

[thunderpimp91]

If we don't fix the defense then we will be behind most of the game and have to throw the ball all the time to try and catch up.

Yeah that's exactly how I remember the 2014 season....oh wait....actually we controlled the clock with the run game, kept our defense fresh, and got the most out of a mediocre at best group.

 

[phildadon86]

If we don't fix the defense then we will be behind most of the game and have to throw the ball all the time to try and catch up.

Really? We have the same the defense we did in 2014. Yet, we managed a 12-4 record. What is the common denominator? A RB who keeps the defense OFF the field.

 

[DFWJC]

but u need a partner to dance with in order to move down

Very true. Can't ever assume that either.

 

[ChooChoo73]

You can honestly sit there and tell me a guy with less than 5 picks, and injured linebacker and a guy that doesn't even have double digit sacks in college are going to have more of an immediate impact than the best running back in the class? Behind our o line? Wow. Alright then. Happy you aren't in the war room. Elliott helps both sides of the ball. And brings us back to our 2014 forMula which worked quite well I'd say. Rookie pass rushers are rarely if ever immediate playmakers, our line doesn't need another top ten talent as we already have 4. Ramsey is a great athlete but we can get someone later on that will have more of an impact. Imo elliott is the best pick. None of the guys you listed will do more for this team immediately than Elliott.

You can honestly sit there and tell me a guy with less than 5 picks, and injured linebacker and a guy that doesn't even have double digit sacks in college are going to have more of an immediate impact than the best running back in the class? Behind our o line? Wow. Alright then. Happy you aren't in the war room. Elliott helps both sides of the ball. And brings us back to our 2014 forMula which worked quite well I'd say. Rookie pass rushers are rarely if ever immediate playmakers, our line doesn't need another top ten talent as we already have 4. Ramsey is a great athlete but we can get someone later on that will have more of an impact. Imo elliott is the best pick. None of the guys you listed will do more for this team immediately than Elliott.

I am simply saying that a great player from the draft who starts and plays most or all of the game will have a more immediate impact than Zeke who will share carries with McFadden and maybe others. The Alabama tackles are defensive tackles that would start day one and are exceptional. As for Bosa, I am seeking a defensive end not a sack artist. If we played a 3-4 my interests in him would be nullified. He is a difference maker in the films on draft breakdown I have watched. Similarly, I believe Ramsey is a dynamic player for our secondary.

When you start with the extreme desire to draft Zeke, then out comes posts like yours and others citing nonsense about it helping the defense as if good defensive players wouldn't do the same for the offense and defense. If Romo is healthy, then Zeke is a luxury. If he is not healthy than Zeke makes no difference.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Ok, who? Name some names.

It's the same thing that was said last year. It gets old.