Sturm concerns on Quinn potential cap hit

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Do you really want a guy from a team that is willing to pay half his salary in order to get rid of him?
His current contract has no remaining guaranteed money.

The Fins don't need to pay any of his salary in order to get rid of him. They are trying to "buy" a better pick by offering to pay part of the new contract.

The might get a 7th without paying anything but might get a 5th by paying half of his 2019 salary or even a 4th by paying more.
 

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He’s acting like they are going to structure these contacts to take the AAV as a straight cap hit every year when that’s not the case.

Maybe YOUR the one that just doesnt get the cap. You can play games for a year or maybe two, but then it all catches up to you very very quickly and your screwed. So the best way to playit is as close to the cap as possible for each year without making low salaries year one and then huge ones at the end.

You make the cap hits low the first two years and you are basically screwed after that.
 

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His current contract has no remaining guaranteed money.

The Fins don't need to pay any of his salary in order to get rid of him. They are trying to "buy" a better pick by offering to pay part of the new contract.

The might get a 7th without paying anything but might get a 5th by paying half of his 2019 salary or even a 4th by paying more.

Exactly right. Fins already paid out the 1.2 remaining so they are essentially free and clear to cut him with no further cap ramifications, I believe.
 

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I don't even think they'd keep Jones to be honest. With the CB whisperer on the staff, shouldn't be hard to replace.

Yeah, I'm not too keen on the idea of paying $15 million a year to a CB that didnt have a single interception last year.

He doesn't have to be Deion Sanders, but dam, you cant pick one ball in an entire season ?
 
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Maybe YOUR the one that just doesnt get the cap. You can play games for a year or maybe two, but then it all catches up to you very very quickly and your screwed. So the best way to playit is as close to the cap as possible for each year without making low salaries year one and then huge ones at the end.

You make the cap hits low the first two years and you are basically screwed after that.
They have literally done all of their big contracts with a cheap year one hit, and they have the most flexibility they’ve had in a decade. But by all means, preach Roy...
 

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Why is it a forgone conclusion that Byron is getting this massive contract?

Hes had 1 good year out of 4 which happened to come in s contract year.

Let him go if it cones down to it

Exactly...………..I dont know why everybody keeps lumping him in with Dak, Zeke, Coop, and DLaw on new contracts.

Fans seem to think he is Deion Sanders 2.0, but the dude couldn't even pick one ball last season. In fact, in his entire 4 year career in the NFL he has exactly 2 picks and he has played in all 64 games. So that's 1 pick every 32 games played on average. Yeah, lets back up the brinks truck for this dude, lol
 

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we have plenty of money and manuverality to sign all of our guys and make whatever moves we want.

We are in the best cap situation we have been in aisin the cap era.

So where is the Bob Sturm off in the quote in the OP?
 

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Yeah, all you guys who don't think paying Jones is a good idea, just watch how fast they line up if he hits FA. You gotta figure, there are 5 CBs in the league, right now, all getting paid 14 to 15 mil a year and they are all older then Bryon. Ten more getting 13 to 13 a year, all older then Byron. He may not have the INTs this past season but he is considered to be one of the very best CBs in the league. I can't imagine how anybody might think that he isn't going to get paid. That's just crazy to me.
 

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He’s acting like they are going to structure these contacts to take the AAV as a straight cap hit every year when that’s not the case.

When discussing an individual player the cap can be manipulated in many ways; however, when discussing 6 or more of the higher or highest paid players they can't push the cap hits forward indefinitely.

If 6 players total contracts add up to 200M over 2 years, then that's 100M AAV for the group.

If the cap hit for the group is 50M in year 1 then it's 150M in year 2. The same concept applies to 5 year contracts. The amount of cap hit in year 1 below the group AAV must be added to the cap hits sometime between year 2 and 5.

The general guideline is that the sum of all player's AAV must be about equal to the average of the cap over the next 5 years. That means the sum of all player's AAV including players on IR and the practice squad can be somewhat higher than the current year's cap because the cap increases over time which means the 5 year cap average is higher than the current year's cap; however if the AAV sum for all players is over the 5 year cap average then the team is headed for cap problems regardless of how much cap space is shown on OTC or Spotrac.
 

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Maybe YOUR the one that just doesnt get the cap. You can play games for a year or maybe two, but then it all catches up to you very very quickly and your screwed. So the best way to playit is as close to the cap as possible for each year without making low salaries year one and then huge ones at the end.

You make the cap hits low the first two years and you are basically screwed after that.

You’re*
 

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Exactly...………..I dont know why everybody keeps lumping him in with Dak, Zeke, Coop, and DLaw on new contracts.

Fans seem to think he is Deion Sanders 2.0, but the dude couldn't even pick one ball last season. In fact, in his entire 4 year career in the NFL he has exactly 2 picks and he has played in all 64 games. So that's 1 pick every 32 games played on average. Yeah, lets back up the brinks truck for this dude, lol

In fairness he probably played out of position in two of those years and the other was his rookie season.

There’s no denying he was one of the better CBs in football last year.
 

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Maybe YOUR the one that just doesnt get the cap. You can play games for a year or maybe two, but then it all catches up to you very very quickly and your screwed. So the best way to playit is as close to the cap as possible for each year without making low salaries year one and then huge ones at the end.

You make the cap hits low the first two years and you are basically screwed after that.

Yeah, if you keep the player. And if you have multiple players, then you're screwed. But in a lot of cases players get cut (like Dez) when the dead cap gets low enough and they never see the two biggest cap hits.
 

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When discussing an individual player the cap can be manipulated in many ways; however, when discussing 6 or more of the higher or highest paid players they can't push the cap hits forward indefinitely.

If 6 players total contracts add up to 200M over 2 years, then that's 100M AAV for the group.

If the cap hit for the group is 50M in year 1 then it's 150M in year 2. The same concept applies to 5 year contracts. The amount of cap hit in year 1 below the group AAV must be added to the cap hits sometime between year 2 and 5.

The general guideline is that the sum of all player's AAV must be about equal to the average of the cap over the next 5 years. That means the sum of all player's AAV including players on IR and the practice squad can be somewhat higher than the current year's cap because the cap increases over time which means the 5 year cap average is higher than the current year's cap; however if the AAV sum for all players is over the 5 year cap average then the team is headed for cap problems regardless of how much cap space is shown on OTC or Spotrac.

When you have large base salaries it is easy to create cap space

Most 5 year deals never see Years 4-5, a lot don't even see 3

This way you can still spread 2 years of cash payments over 4 years of cap hits

The Rookie wage scale and the ever rising cap has made the cap a speed bump at worst but SJones still uses it as the boogeyman so he doesn't have to play in the deep waters of FA where he will be exposed
 

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Seeing rumors the Saints are about to sign TE Jared Cook. That will likely eliminate them from Robert Quinn. I don’t believe they have the cap space to fit both ... but I could be wrong
 

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Exactly...………..I dont know why everybody keeps lumping him in with Dak, Zeke, Coop, and DLaw on new contracts.

Fans seem to think he is Deion Sanders 2.0, but the dude couldn't even pick one ball last season. In fact, in his entire 4 year career in the NFL he has exactly 2 picks and he has played in all 64 games. So that's 1 pick every 32 games played on average. Yeah, lets back up the brinks truck for this dude, lol
They lump him in just because he is a good player and his contract is winding down, but that doesn’t mean people are putting the same importance on signing him as they would Lawrence or Zeke for example.
 

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When you have large base salaries it is easy to create cap space

Most 5 year deals never see Years 4-5, a lot don't even see 3

This way you can still spread 2 years of cash payments over 4 years of cap hits

The Rookie wage scale and the ever rising cap has made the cap a speed bump at worst but SJones still uses it as the boogeyman so he doesn't have to play in the deep waters of FA where he will be exposed
Lol....like I said, go run the cap for the jones’s. Since your better at it then they are. You would stock the team for a two year run, we’d have an injury or two to ruin it and then we’d be screwed for the next 5 years after.
 

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Seeing rumors the Saints are about to sign TE Jared Cook. That will likely eliminate them from Robert Quinn. I don’t believe they have the cap space to fit both ... but I could be wrong
Bubububut they could just restructure a few contracts and get back under the cap. Lol
 

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He’s acting like they are going to structure these contacts to take the AAV as a straight cap hit every year when that’s not the case.

exactly. Bob is acting like this is his first year trying to process how FA works.
 
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