Suns sending Marion to Lakers for Odom?

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September 25, 2007
Sean Deveney
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Shawn Marion, L.A. Laker? If he has his way, that will happen.

According to a league source, the Lakers and Suns have been in discussions about a deal -- a blockbuster deal -- that would send the four-time All-Star to Los Angeles to play alongside Kobe Bryant. The Suns would get forward Lamar Odom and perhaps some salary-cap filler in return. The main obstacle appears to be Lakers owner Jerry Buss, who needs to OK the deal. Asked to handicap the likelihood of the deal going through, the source said, "50-50."

Upon hearing this, I caught up with Marion this afternoon by phone. He confirmed that he spoke with Bryant over the weekend, but added, "I've been friends with Kobe for a while, so we talk here and there, anyway."

Still, Marion was enthusiastic about the potential trade. "Why wouldn't I be?" he said. "You have a great organization, great ownership there with the Lakers. I don't see no problems with playing there."

This, it appears, would be a good fit for everyone. It has been a rocky summer for Marion and the Suns, who drafted him out of UNLV in 1999 but have been unwilling to give him a contract extension. Marion is the highest-paid player on the team, and he can opt out of the final year of his deal and become a free agent next summer.

One sticking point with the Suns is that Marion was told that if he does opt out, he will not be re-signed. Another goes back to before the draft, when the Suns had a deal in place to send Marion to the Celtics -- Boston had agreed to extend his contract if the trade went through. "I didn't like that," Marion said. "It was like they were trying to force my hand by taking the Boston deal. I have been with this team my whole career. I was like, 'Wow.'"

I asked if the team's refusal to give him an extension played into his unhappiness with the team. "It was part of it," Marion said. "It's not like that was the last straw or anything. It was just part of everything that has gone on. People have made assumptions about me, but I don't think all those people know everything that has gone on."

For the most part, though, Marion declined to talk about his unhappiness with the organization. "There's been things that have been said in the media, but I don't want to get into all that," he said. "That's not going to accomplish anything. Most people don't know what goes on behind closed doors. The way I look at it is, I love Phoenix, I love the fans. I love my teammates. Don't let anybody tell you that I don't. Some of the stuff that has happened is messed up. But pointing fingers and all that, I am bigger than that."

As for the potential Lakers-Suns trade, Odom would fit well in Phoenix's up-tempo offense. He is an excellent rebounder who can run the floor and handle the ball, like a point-forward. With the addition of small forward Grant Hill, the Suns clearly are looking to add players with ballhandling skill to take pressure off point guard Steve Nash, especially in the postseason.

Marion is not a classic big-man fit for Phil Jackson's triangle offense, which might be the source of the Lakers' hesitation. But, in some ways, he offers Jackson more than Odom, who has played alongside Bryant for three seasons. Both Odom and Bryant have put up nice numbers in those years, but the two just don't seem to mesh. Odom operates best running the floor and with the ball in his hands. But when you play for the Lakers, the ball is going to be in Bryant's hands. Odom has been professional about that, but this is a guy who has averaged 4.6 assists per game in his career. He belongs in a ball-sharing system.

Marion is different. He can excel without having plays called for him, and he gets the bulk of his points off turnovers and offensive rebounds -- in other words, he can be productive even if Bryant dominates the ball. He also can make 3-pointers and is a strong finisher. But the biggest difference will be Marion's defense. He's among the best defenders in the league, and he and Bryant should give the Lakers a fearsome pair of defensive wings. As important as the triangle is to Jackson, the most frustrating part of the coach's return to the Lakers in the last two years has been the team's shoddy defense.

Some will point to the Phoenix run-and-gun system when it comes to Marion's gaudy numbers (18.8 points and 10.0 rebounds in his career). But he had some of his best years when the Suns were a halfcourt team and Stephon Marbury was the point guard. And there also is this to consider: Marion is among the league's most durable players, missing just 15 games in those eight seasons. Odom is coming off shoulder surgery and missed four weeks with a sprained MCL last season.

"I think I would fit right in," Marion said. "People talk about the triangle offense all the time, like it is impossible. But it's an offense. Wherever you play, you have to learn the offense. It's not that complicated. You pass, you cut, you slash. Offense is offense. And I would love to play with Kobe."

Still, a change would be tough for Marion. "I wanted to retire a Phoenix Sun," he said. "That would be nice. I think everyone would like to play their whole career for the team that drafted them. But sometimes it comes to the point where you just have to take that step and move on. It's like a bad marriage. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong, both people should just move on."

Of course, there's just one catch: The Lakers might turn down the deal. That would mean that when training camp opens next Monday, Marion would still be with the Suns. Would he show up? "I am a professional," he says. "I will be where I am supposed to be."
 

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I don't know. Odam is a pretty good player in his own right. He was injured last year but he but up good numbers. To be honest, these two players are very simular. Marion is a bit better scorer but they are very simular. I guess I don't really see the big advantage in getting him.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1671577 said:
I don't know. Odam is a pretty good player in his own right. He was injured last year but he but up good numbers. To be honest, these two players are very simular. Marion is a bit better scorer but they are very simular. I guess I don't really see the big advantage in getting him.

I can see why the Suns might want to do this from a contract standpoint, but I don't understand how this makes the Lakers any better. Unless they then send a package to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. Still, where's the depth?
 

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Mavs Man;1671582 said:
I can see why the Suns might want to do this from a contract standpoint, but I don't understand how this makes the Lakers any better. Unless they then send a package to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. Still, where's the depth?


If this were a deal for Amare, then I could see it. For the Lakers, all this does is buy them more cap usage IMO. Lots of guys can look like All Stars with the talent the Suns have on the roster. There is nothing that says Marion is going to be the same player in LA that he was in Phoenix. I agree with you Mavs. I don't see the upside for the Lakers here unless this is just a move to secure another player.

I think I'd pass.
 

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this would be a horrible trade for both teams. Lamar Odom doesnt fit in the phoenix system, he is not athletic enough. and i dont see how marion would work in the triangle offense, he doesnt have very good decision making skills which is very important for the SF in the triangle, Odom fits that well. but if i had to say who gets the better of the deal id have to say the lakers just because odom cant guard Duncan or Irk Nodicksky
 

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I would sure love to see Marion a Laker! I could just see kobe getting the board then passing the ball down court to his new teammate and the Matrix just slamming it down! Lamar was injured last season and he does not complement the BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA! Lamar tries so hard to shoot 3 point shots and that is very frustrating because he should try and be more dominant in his area! IN the PAINT! Go MATRIX TO THE LAKERS!
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1671577 said:
I don't know. Odam is a pretty good player in his own right. He was injured last year but he but up good numbers. To be honest, these two players are very simular. Marion is a bit better scorer but they are very simular. I guess I don't really see the big advantage in getting him.

Marion is clearly a better player than Odom. Just examine their stats and he leads Odom in nearly every statistical category career-wise. I live in Phoenix and Marion is the most underrated player, even in his own city. The reason for that is he can't create his own shot and score at will. He is a role player but he is the best role player in the NBA. He is consistent and can defend a variety of players. Odom has been injury prone and isn't nearly as good of a defender, rebounder and finisher than Marion. Odom is a slightly better outside shooter and that's it. The Suns have made some dumb decisions recently including getting rid of Kurt Thomas for nothing in return. The Suns have no depth in the low post. If they make this trade, it's simply for financial reasons aka the owner is being cheap. It wouldn't suprise me considering the Suns have really done nothing in the past two offseasons depite being title contenders. The Spurs, on the other hand, added 3 key post players last offseason in Oberto, Elson and Butler. And the Supporting cast argument doesn't work because Marion was an All-Star prior to Nash's arrival and had put up All-Star numbers for years prior to that but was always overlooked because of the Suns record in the early 2000's. I'm not a Marion homer either. I was all in favor of Marion being traded for Kevin Garnett but this trade makes no sense at all.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1672537 said:
Marion is clearly a better player than Odom. Just examine their stats and he leads Odom in nearly every statistical category career-wise. I live in Phoenix and Marion is the most underrated player, even in his own city. The reason for that is he can't create his own shot and score at will. He is a role player but he is the best role player in the NBA. He is consistent and can defend a variety of players. Odom has been injury prone and isn't nearly as good of a defender, rebounder and finisher than Marion. Odom is a slightly better outside shooter and that's it. The Suns have made some dumb decisions recently including getting rid of Kurt Thomas for nothing in return. The Suns have no depth in the low post. If they make this trade, it's simply for financial reasons aka the owner is being cheap. It wouldn't suprise me considering the Suns have really done nothing in the past two offseasons depite being title contenders. The Spurs, on the other hand, added 3 key post players last offseason in Oberto, Elson and Butler. And the Supporting cast argument doesn't work because Marion was an All-Star prior to Nash's arrival and had put up All-Star numbers for years prior to that but was always overlooked because of the Suns record in the early 2000's. I'm not a Marion homer either. I was all in favor of Marion being traded for Kevin Garnett but this trade makes no sense at all.

Look at there stats last year and there is really little difference. I don't agree that Marion is the better player for LA. As I said earlier, it's easy to play with good players around you. It's not so easy when the talent is not there. In LA, you have to be able to create your own offense or you'll end up standing around watching the paint dry. Odam could do this and he did do this when healthy. I don't think Marion can do this. He's not what the Lakers need and he's not suited well to what will eventually be his role. If he goes to LA, I think he ends up like every other player who can't create there own offense. He'll basically watch Kobi shoot the ball. This will not be good for Marion or the Lakers IMO.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1673070 said:
Look at there stats last year and there is really little difference. I don't agree that Marion is the better player for LA. As I said earlier, it's easy to play with good players around you. It's not so easy when the talent is not there. In LA, you have to be able to create your own offense or you'll end up standing around watching the paint dry. Odam could do this and he did do this when healthy. I don't think Marion can do this. He's not what the Lakers need and he's not suited well to what will eventually be his role. If he goes to LA, I think he ends up like every other player who can't create there own offense. He'll basically watch Kobi shoot the ball. This will not be good for Marion or the Lakers IMO.

That is one year. You can't compare one of Marion's worst years statistically with one of Odom's better years, and with that said, Marion still had the better season statistically. Marion averaged 19+ per game for 5 straight seasons out of 8. The last time Marion averaged less than 19 ppg was back 00/01 when he he was a second year player who averaged 17 ppg, which is the most Odom has ever scored in a season. Marion knows how to score and he was doing this back when he didn't have great players around him such as in the 2001/2002 season. He does struggle to create his shot in the half-court but those criticisms are relative to other All-Stars. His offensive game lacks polish but critics embellish that by suggesting he can't create any offense which is hardly true. He gets criticized for that because he is an All-Star and so more is expected of him. He is not adept at pulling up off the dribble and shooting a fadeaway which the best players consistently do. Marion gets his points through 3 point attempts, hustle plays, put-backs, and drives to the basket. I agree the Lakers would not really improve with Marion but that also has a lot to do with Kobe's selfishness and their poor team chemistry. The Suns would get a lot worse with losing Marion since he does so much for the them. The Suns would lose their best defender, rebounder and finisher on the break. Odom doesn't supercede Marion in any of these categories.
 
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