Taco Analysis and what he has in common with Travis Frederick

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It seems that many fans and media are making the same mistake they made with Travis Frederick. Originally most rankings had Frederick as a 1st or early 2nd round pick but after the combine the media dropped him in their rankings because he didn’t run a fast forty. After the draft many fans exclaimed that Frederick was a terrible pick.

Now fans/media are doing the same thing with Taco. He was rated by some media before the combine as a top half of the 1st round type player. Then after the combine the media dropped him in their rankings.

Post draft, many fans/media seems to think that all top outside pass rushers are pure speed players; however, that it just not true. Many of the top NFL outside pass rushers are not pure speed types (Forty/Ten):
Taco - 4.86/1.63

Post Draft Fan Favorite: Derek Barnett - 4.88/1.69

4-3 DEs
Jason Pierre Paul - 4.78/1.68

Michael Bennett - 4.86/1.62

Greg Hardy - 4.79/1.67

Cameron Jordon - 4.76/1.71

Adrian Clayborne - 4.85/1.67

3-4 OLBs
Terrell Suggs - 4.84

Melvin Ingram - 4.79/1.62

Elvis Dumervil - 4.78/1.65

3-4 DEs
Chandler Jones - 4.87/1.69

JJ Watt - 4.91/1.71

There are very few 4.5 forty type DE(s):
Khalil Mack

Jadeveon Clowney (3-4 DE but could be 4-3 DE)

Demarus Ware (retired)

Von Miller is a 3-4 OLB and was a LB in when he played in a 4-3. Vic Beasley is a 4-3 LB.

If pure speed was the only requirement for a DE, then Bruce Irvin would play DE full time because his speed around the edge is as good as anyone.

Taco Analysis:
I just re-watched all of his snaps from 5 college games. He looked great. He has good quickness off the line when he is in a pure pass rush more. They often had him in a read-and-react mode with responsibility for outside contain on the RB or on running QBs. On those snaps his initial quickness does not show up as well for obvious reasons.

For a player that is 6-6, he has really good “bend” around the corner. He has nice fluid movements and very good change of direction. He has this really nice jump-step move where he starts to the outside and jump-steps back inside of the OT. He also has a spin move that was often successful.

He showed good hand fighting skills and used his long arms to his advantage. He showed decent power and was good against the run.

His balance is terrific. He was rarely on the ground or blown out due to being off-balance. Contrast his balance to a “measurable(s)” DE like Jordon Wills and you’ll see a big difference with Willis often on the ground.
 

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I haven't seen all the terrible pick columns around Taco.

I think you're hunting for a narrative.

And while i'd prefer to have a quicker DE there (and there were some guys available who fit that bill later in the draft) you're comparing an untested slower DE to some of the most successful slower DEs in all of football. What about the hundreds of guys at their speed who found it to be a limiting factor? Which is the case more often than not?
 

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It seems that many fans and media are making the same mistake they made with Travis Frederick. Originally most rankings had Frederick as a 1st or early 2nd round pick but after the combine the media dropped him in their rankings because he didn’t run a fast forty. After the draft many fans exclaimed that Frederick was a terrible pick. Now fans/media are doing the same thing with Taco. He was rated by some media before the combine as a top half of the 1st round type player. Then after the combine the media dropped him in their rankings.
This is exactly right!

I saw many pre draft mocks (after the combine) with Taco being taken far before the Cowboys pick.

After he "fell" to 28, his value suddenly became lower or questionable and I read some that said the Cowboys settled or reached for him. There are many in here who questioned the pick and think the Cowboys made a big mistake.
 

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I honestly liked all 4 guys that were taken after our pick. Thought they were all great value there.
So you would have probably taken another position at 28 and gone pass rusher at 60?

And did you like any of those 4 better than Charlton? If so, who?

Sorry for all the questions. I love the draft and am curious as to what you'd have done.
 

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This is exactly right!

I saw many pre draft mocks (after the combine) with Taco being taken far before the Cowboys pick.

After he "fell" to 28, his value suddenly became lower or questionable and I read some that said the Cowboys settled or reached for him. There are many in here who questioned the pick and think the Cowboys made a big mistake.
This is 100% accurate. I saw a lot of mocks prior to the Combine that had Taco nearing the top 10 and then after the Combine he started slipping down towards the end of the first in mocks.
 

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This is 100% accurate. I saw a lot of mocks prior to the Combine that had Taco nearing the top 10 and then after the Combine he started slipping down towards the end of the first in mocks.

Absolutely -- as far a I was concerned, he was the one and only choice left that made any real sense. I still think he'll exceed expectations. He may not be the quickest and speediest but he's big, strong and has the tenacious mindset to wear down many an opponent. He was never utilized to advantage by the then current coaching staff before his last year. In his senior year, he made the most of the new system and rallied to get 10 1/2 sacks. Not too shabby, eh? Marinelli definitely won't have him reading and reacting -- he'll be attacking from the get-go!
 
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So you would have probably taken another position at 28 and gone pass rusher at 60?

And did you like any of those 4 better than Charlton? If so, who?

Sorry for all the questions. I love the draft and am curious as to what you'd have done.

I liked JJ Watt better but I like Taco, I think he is one of those guys who could end up being better then folks thought. I just liked Watt better but, Njoku could be an impact player at TE and we need a guy to replace Witten. I can see that as a smart move for us. Foster, I don't like the off the field stuff but as a MLB, he is an excellent prospect. We need that guy in defense. Ramczyk is more of a need pick but plugging that guy in at RT could have solved a lot of problems for us. We could have kept Collins at LG and been set. I see value in any of those picks. JMO
 
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As @xwalker said when he is in pass rush mode he is the first guy off the line. I have zero problem with the pick. I think most wanted an edge rusher but he was the best pure DE at our pick and he has good bend. He turns the corner well.

He'll get his share of snaps and pressures IMO.
 

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I liked JJ Watt better but I like Taco, I think he is one of those guys who could end up being better then folks thought. I just liked Watt better but, Njoku could be an impact player at TE and we need a guy to replace Witten. I can see that as a smart move for us. Foster, I don't like the off the field stuff but as a MLB, he is an excellent prospect. We need that guy in defense. Ramczyk is more of a need pick but plugging that guy in at RT could have solved a lot of problems for us. We could have kept Collins at RG and been set. I see value in any of those picks. JMO
I appreciate the answer. Thanks man.

I liked Taco more than Watt for this system but I get why some didn't. I love Foster's play too but between the injury and the off the field stuff... I knew Dallas couldn't take him at 28.

I didn't feel as strongly about Njoku as you did. I would have considered Engram but the Giants took that option away. Ramczyk is an OK player but I'm not sure the Cowboys liked him as much as the draft guru's did. Even if they did, it would have been a hard sell to take OL round 1 when the defense needs so much help. As dominant and transcendent a player as Ezekiel Elliott is... there are still plenty of people saying it was a bad pick because Dallas needed defense so bad.
 

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Who would you have rather had?
I probably would have taken Watt and bet on his athletic talent and pedigree. I don't by that he can't put his hand on the ground. He was one of the most effective rushers out of a 3 point stance in all of college football last year. And yes, I certainly understand that he wasn't asked to do that full time. But seemed worth the risk in the bottom of the 1st.
 

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This is 100% accurate. I saw a lot of mocks prior to the Combine that had Taco nearing the top 10 and then after the Combine he started slipping down towards the end of the first in mocks.
Also we need to ignore mocks for what they are. Entertainment. Players start moving around a lot on mocks after media types start hearing from teams how players are actually valued by teams and not projections.
 

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I probably would have taken Watt and bet on his athletic talent and pedigree. I don't by that he can't put his hand on the ground. He was one of the most effective rushers out of a 3 point stance in all of college football last year. And yes, I certainly understand that he wasn't asked to do that full time. But seemed worth the risk in the bottom of the 1st.

While I don't feel the same way, I can certainly understand that line of thinking. I liked him as a player, just not as much as many people here did. He was a much better pick for Pittsburgh than he would have been for Dallas, IMO.

Thanks for the answer.
 

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Taco starts with a T and Travis starts with a T. Both have two syllables in their first name and have the letter A as the first vowel. That's what they have in common.
 

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I appreciate the answer. Thanks man.

I liked Taco more than Watt for this system but I get why some didn't. I love Foster's play too but between the injury and the off the field stuff... I knew Dallas couldn't take him at 28.

I didn't feel as strongly about Njoku as you did. I would have considered Engram but the Giants took that option away. Ramczyk is an OK player but I'm not sure the Cowboys liked him as much as the draft guru's did. Even if they did, it would have been a hard sell to take OL round 1 when the defense needs so much help. As dominant and transcendent a player as Ezekiel Elliott is... there are still plenty of people saying it was a bad pick because Dallas needed defense so bad.

I don't really have a problem with the pick and I agree with just about all you say here. End of day, the Cowboys have done a very solid job of picking these past few years. I am content to put my faith in the decision the Scouting Department and Coaching Staff made. See how it works out.
 

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Taco starts with a T and Travis starts with a T. Both have two syllables in their first name and have the letter A as the first vowel. That's what they have in common.
you had to do way too much thinking for that...

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