Take this Ware "news" for what it's worth

[visionary]

If Ware takes less money to sign with another team then he is dead to me. I can't believe all these Cowboys fans that want him to have success with another team. I want him to have that success here.

TEAM, all about the cowboys not individual players

 

[RS12]

Hold on.

Not long ago, Jerry Jones was getting praise for going with Ware. So now since he is no good anymore, Parcells owns him again?

Nope. Talking about the core of players that came aboard when Parcels was here, doesnt matter who takes credit for it. That core peaked in 2009. Time to move on. BTW Ware hasnt been close to the same player since he started having neck issues.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I disagree. He had different responsibilities than Ware in the 3-4 and was always sound against the run.

I'm not saying Spencer didn't underachieve because he certainly did, but if you gave a healthy Ware and a healthy Spencer right now, I'd go with Spencer.

Spencer over ware ? Both 100% healthy ? NO way , Ware is better in every way . You can have spencer and his 5 sacks I'll take ware every time .

 

[Corso]

I understand that but the point here is that a Fans perspective, doesn't necessarily have a great deal of basis in reality. Perhaps it is you who are not reading the entire post. I am aware of the fact that as a fan, your wants and desires may be different then what you might view as practical but that's kind of the point right?

So again I ask, if you were advising Ware, would what you suggest be the advice you would give him? It's a fair question Counselor.

OK- you demand to pursue this straw-man argument, I'll appease you.
Being a layman and not an Advisor, or a counselor, or an agent, or an attorney, or an accountant- my answer is going to do you what good now? Hammer home your point? Anyways:

I would first review his finances both incoming and outgoing.
What are his investments? What are his financial obligations? How much longer does he expect to keep his current career and what are his opportunities going forward? What does he need to make to maintain his desires for his life and those of his loved ones after football? Does he want to go into the booth? Is that feasible? How much does that make? Does he want to invest in businesses?
He has money to do so many things to make more now.
Is that even what he wants to do?

Now- I would bring all that information to him and ask- What do you WANT to do? His career up this point and the money he has earned from the team and endorsements have given him a lot of freedom to choose what he wants to do going forward.

Good enough? That's what I would do. I'm not a professional at those kind of things, I'm a stinking fan with a completely different career so tear into it if you want.

 

[TheSport78]

Spencer over ware ? Both 100% healthy ? NO way , Ware is better in every way . You can have spencer and his 5 sacks I'll take ware every time .

Ware's run defense has really struggled as of late, and I think Spencer would do well in that area. I'd take my chances with Spencer and really focus on improving the interior pass rush.

 

[DABOYZ]

get your eyes checked

Eyes have been checked but it appears to me that the nuclear waste from White Sands may be affecting your ability to add substance to any thread. Or maybe you have not had cable TV over the last two years. Either way watching Demarcus Ware highlights from before the 2012 season and using them in an argument in 2014 is just plain irresponsible. You would have a clue if you yourself owned any kind of business.

 

[Miller]

Honestly, I take this as a positive. We have a history of hanging on too long because of loyalty and for too much money. This would be a positive sign.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK- you demand to pursue this straw-man argument, I'll appease you.
Being a layman and not an Advisor, or a counselor, or an agent, or an attorney, or an accountant- my answer is going to do you what good now? Hammer home your point? Anyways:

I would first review his finances both incoming and outgoing.
What are his investments? What are his financial obligations? How much longer does he expect to keep his current career and what are his opportunities going forward? What does he need to make to maintain his desires for his life and those of his loved ones after football? Does he want to go into the booth? Is that feasible? How much does that make? Does he want to invest in businesses?
He has money to do so many things to make more now.
Is that even what he wants to do?

Now- I would bring all that information to him and ask- What do you WANT to do? His career up this point and the money he has earned from the team and endorsements have given him a lot of freedom to choose what he wants to do going forward.

Good enough? That's what I would do. I'm not a professional at those kind of things, I'm a stinking fan with a completely different career so tear into it if you want.

No Corso, I'm not demanding anything and I don't want you to view this as such. I am simply asking you, what you would advise if it were your place and based on those discussions, what would you recommend Ware do. Now, of course I am trying to make a point here. However, I'm not trying to hammer home anything. I'm trying to get fans to view this in a reasonable manner.

Based on what you wrote, in short, it seems to me that you would recommend Ware do what is in his best interests. Is that a reasonable assumption?

If it is, then we surely must all understand that if we are unwilling to pay Ware, he may decide to sign with another team and if he does that, we can not condemn him for that. It's only reasonable.

 

[AKATheRake]

He'll end up going to a 3-4 team or a team like the Patriots, Steelers or Ravens and absolutely wreak havoc.

If he wants to play for $5-$7 million per I'd keep him still.

But something has to be done.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Jerry should offer him $8-mil and the GM position when he retires. Strictly ceremonial of course.

 

[Nirvana]

(If true) Does Ware actually think he can make more money on the FA market?

I'm sure his agent Pat Dye got this kind of info at the combine. Ware probably even knows which team it would be. The Cowboys offer is less. We probably had our own intel before we made the offer. We don't see or hear about these convos but it happens.

The Tampering
Far removed from the workouts, the real business of the combine takes place in conversations between agents and team executives, all gathered in a confined location for the only time of the year. These meetings are most often about existing players on the team, with conversations regarding: 1. Extensions (what players/agents want); 2. Reductions (what teams want); or 3. Cap renegotiations (neutral).

There is also a fourth type of meeting: the uncomfortable one where an agent requests a new or upgraded contract while the team sees no need. These seeds of dissatisfaction are often planted at the Pro Bowl, and the combine is time for “the ask.” Agents threaten—directly or indirectly—that if there is no team reaction at the bargaining table, steady drips of offseason discontent will drift from the player to the media and the locker room. Teams have different emotional and financial reactions to these complaints. (I will address this agent/player handbook, and team response, later in the offseason.)

The combine also always has been rife with brazen conversations about pending free agents. Although free agency doesn’t begin until mid-March, the combine is considered the unofficial start of the new League Year. I especially remember one year as a Packers executive being particularly frustrated, as I could not schedule a meeting with an agent for one of our pending free agents because he was overscheduled with other teams. (Yes, the player left Green Bay).

As to tampering concerns, there is always built-in cover. All well-known agents represent players on most teams, giving them an excuse for dialogue. Further, team negotiators are careful: in the rare instances I was pursuing potential free agents in Green Bay, I would phrase the question as, “In the event your guy is free next month, what would you be looking for?”

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/19/nfl-combine-business/

 

[Corso]

No Corso, I'm not demanding anything and I don't want you to view this as such. I am simply asking you, what you would advise if it were your place and based on those discussions, what would you recommend Ware do. Now, of course I am trying to make a point here. However, I'm not trying to hammer home anything. I'm trying to get fans to view this in a reasonable manner.

Based on what you wrote, in short, it seems to me that you would recommend Ware do what is in his best interests. Is that a reasonable assumption?

If it is, then we surely must all understand that if we are unwilling to pay Ware, he may decide to sign with another team and if he does that, we can not condemn him for that. It's only reasonable.

I repeated in both the post that created this convo between us and in my first reply to you that if he left I would wish him well.
I didn't understand why some fans want him to also rub dirt in his first team's collective face.

What did I condemn? Other than bitter fans?
So you have me detailing what I'd do for him as a "Counselor"?
For what?
I still don't understand why fans have to desire a former player to make their previous team look like fools and typing that fluff did nothing for me- and I bet for you neither.
Yes- as a fan I would like him to help the team and help both him and them to succeed greater than they have. Yes- that would involve him taking a paycut.
That was a wishful thought on my part.
There was no condemnation involved in that. I didn't say "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya".

So... what exactly is your point to me?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't understand why some fans want him to also rub dirt in his first team's collective face.

Why do you say this? What causes you to view what is being said in this thread as rubbing dirt in the faces of the Cowboys? I don't understand where this is coming from.

So... what exactly is your point to me?

You said this in your response to another poster who said if Ware signed with another team, he would be dead to that poster.

I completely agree with this.
And it's good fans who've been rooting for the team for a long time doing this too.
Why would anyone root for a true Cowboy Star Player to go to another team and do better and have better success?
Do they hate the team they've rooted for- for years that much now?
I just don't understand...
I want Ware to do the right thing for the team. If he can't- good luck, I've rooted for you hard and you've brought some good memories. Go succeed, if you still can.
I don't want him to spite our nose despite our face though.
If you still got something left in the tank and can be mostly the Ware of old- do it for your team. The one that picked you, not Merriman. The one that made you rich and believed in you.
Help the team as much as they've made you famous, wealthy, an inspiration and given you the ability to provide for not only your family, but many others.
Go out being remembered as a true Legend here in Texas. Not just Texas, but the entire NFL.
Now... LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN.

This is why I asked you what I did. To me, this is not reasonable. Why would we not wish Ware well if he decided to move on? All he's ever done for us is to be, not just a good representative, but an excellent representative of the team and a HOF type player. Why wouldn't we wish him well if he decides to move on? That is why I wanted to see if I could engage you in discussion over what is reasonable and what you might advise this player to do if you were his council. You have always been a reasonable poster, from what I can remember and I just didn't understand why you would view the situation in such a way. That's all.

 

[Alexander]

I'm sure his agent Pat Dye got this kind of info at the combine. Ware probably even knows which team it would be. The Cowboys offer is less. We probably had our own intel before we made the offer. We don't see or hear about these convos but it happens.



http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/19/nfl-combine-business/

I am sure they do and it is speculative. I am pretty certain no team is poised with an offer in hand as soon as he hits the market. Teams are going to want to check him out medically and they cannot do that as long as he is property of the Cowboys. They might have an idea what a team would do "if" they felt good about his health but there is no sure thing.

 

[Corso]

Why do you say this? What causes you to view what is being said in this thread as rubbing dirt in the faces of the Cowboys? I don't understand where this is coming from.

Per Theebs- post#10 in this thread:
"If we cut ware and do not have him finish his career here I hope he goes to a rival and has his best season ever.

Hopefully if cut he ends up like everson walls and wins a Super Bowl.

Btw. This ware issue is going to make me hate even more cowboys fans"

I wondered "why?".
I know Theebs is a good fan and I understand wanting Ware to go on and have a great season, but for a rival? And to have "his best season ever" is being extreme to spite others.
Why?
I was directly responding to the second part of bkight's post where he said he didn't understand why some posters want players to go other teams and succeed. He wanted Ware to succeed here.
I agree with that.

You said this in your response to another poster who said if Ware signed with another team, he would be dead to that poster.

Although the first part of his post was harsh- with the "dead to me" and all- I get what he was saying. If Ware was to leave- I most likely wouldn't follow him any longer. I wouldn't care. I care about the Cowboys and their opponents. If he ends up as a direct opponent- I would probably follow him more closely Other than that, I won't be paying too much attention to his career until he retires then I'll probably get retrospective on it all. Again, what he typed was harsh, but I get it.

This is why I asked you what I did. To me, this is not reasonable. Why would we not wish Ware well if he decided to move on? All he's ever done for us is to be, not just a good representative, but an excellent representative of the team and a HOF type player. Why wouldn't we wish him well if he decides to move on? That is why I wanted to see if I could engage you in discussion over what is reasonable and what you might advise this player to do if you were his council. You have always been a reasonable poster, from what I can remember and I just didn't understand why you would view the situation in such a way. That's all.

And for the last time- I never wished him to fail.
I did the exact opposite.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And for the last time- I never wished him to fail.
I did the exact opposite.

OK, well, that is not what I read in the post I presented to you because that is not what that post said.

It is fine. We understand each other and I trust you do not view my opinions as those opinions you represented in your last post.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I saw Randy White being interviewed once & he said when his injuries started mounting for him & he became less than his best he knew it was time to retire.

I wish some of these players on the cusp would do what Randy did.

 

[OhSnap]

Well alright. George Selvie is now our top edge rusher.

Good times.

He was 2 months ago.

 

[Nirvana]

I am sure they do and it is speculative. I am pretty certain no team is poised with an offer in hand as soon as he hits the market. Teams are going to want to check him out medically and they cannot do that as long as he is property of the Cowboys. They might have an idea what a team would do "if" they felt good about his health but there is no sure thing.

Yeah I'm sure teams prefaced such potential offers with him needing to pass medically. This could even have been an impetus for Ware to get his elbow surgery recently. There is a lot more going on than the media knows.

 

[Corso]

OK, well, that is not what I read in the post I presented to you because that is not what that post said.

It is fine. We understand each other and I trust you do not view my opinions as those opinions you represented in your last post.

And I trust you read my replies in your previous quote detailing my thought processes and the reasons why from a previous post in this thread by Theebs (which has been echoed in various threads by others) and bkight's post which I originally replied to.
I just am not savvy enough to have formatted it correctly.

You're still my Main Man, mod.

Also a line from my post you've been questioning:
I want Ware to do the right thing for the team. If he can't- good luck, I've rooted for you hard and you've brought some good memories. Go succeed, if you still can.