Takk Mckinley is on the board at 28

[CATCH17]

I just don't see us passing on him if he makes it to 28.


My only problem is that he will most likely not get any reps in his first NFL Training camp and he may miss up to 6 games to start his career.

IMO, training camp isn't very important for guys that have been in the league for a 4 or 5 years but for these 1st-3rd year guys it is super critical.

Also, He's going to be a smaller DE. Is he even a great scheme fit for us? His long arms are what give me hope but he is only 6'2.



I know we have to think long term with these players but him missing time to start his career and being a bit undersized kinda worries me.

Also, I don't want to lose out on a stud pass rush guy in the upcoming drafts because we've invested picks in Lawrence and a DE in the 2017 1st round.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I just don't see us passing on him if he makes it to 28.


My only problem is that he will most likely not get any reps in his first NFL Training camp and he may miss up to 6 games to start his career.

IMO, training camp isn't very important for guys that have been in the league for a 4 or 5 years but for these 1st-3rd year guys it is super critical.

Also, He's going to be a smaller DE. Is he even a great scheme fit for us? His long arms are what give me hope but he is only 6'2.



I know we have to think long term with these players but him missing time to start his career and being a bit undersized kinda worries me.

Also, I don't want to lose out on a stud pass rush guy in the upcoming drafts because we've invested picks in Lawrence and a DE in the 2017 1st round.

Not for nothing, but Maliek Collins missed just about all of camp too. I doubt they would put him on PUP if he will be healthy before week 6

 

[Prime21]

Long arms are what's important. The lack of height will give him leverage. Be more concerned with his lack of pass rush moves. I hear he is relentless as a rusher. He certainly has great upside if he can develop some moves.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I just don't see us passing on him if he makes it to 28.


My only problem is that he will most likely not get any reps in his first NFL Training camp and he may miss up to 6 games to start his career.

IMO, training camp isn't very important for guys that have been in the league for a 4 or 5 years but for these 1st-3rd year guys it is super critical.

Also, He's going to be a smaller DE. Is he even a great scheme fit for us? His long arms are what give me hope but he is only 6'2.



I know we have to think long term with these players but him missing time to start his career and being a bit undersized kinda worries me.

Also, I don't want to lose out on a stud pass rush guy in the upcoming drafts because we've invested picks in Lawrence and a DE in the 2017 1st round.

Also remember Lawrence is a UDFA after 2017

 

[baltcowboy]

I just don't see us passing on him if he makes it to 28.


My only problem is that he will most likely not get any reps in his first NFL Training camp and he may miss up to 6 games to start his career.

IMO, training camp isn't very important for guys that have been in the league for a 4 or 5 years but for these 1st-3rd year guys it is super critical.

Also, He's going to be a smaller DE. Is he even a great scheme fit for us? His long arms are what give me hope but he is only 6'2.



I know we have to think long term with these players but him missing time to start his career and being a bit undersized kinda worries me.

Also, I don't want to lose out on a stud pass rush guy in the upcoming drafts because we've invested picks in Lawrence and a DE in the 2017 1st round.

I don't think they will pick him. Is he good enough to make the defensive line rotation? At the very least he will miss training camp because of his injury. Can't wait for the draft to be over.

 

[CF74]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Does anyone remember back in 2011 when the Cowboys unofficially announced in late February/early March that they are picking Tyron Smith ninth overall.

They havent been transparent like that, but Im fairly certain McKinley will be the 28th pick

 

[darthseinfeld]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

I have the feeling 4 CBs will be going before our pick. Lattimore, Humphries, Conley and King will likely be long gone

 

[Alexander]

Long arms are what's important.

They are, but if you don't use them, then what? If you watch him, he is all feet and speed, very little use of his arms and hands. You have to wonder if the shoulder issue was a real problem with that.

 

[DFWJC]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

Doesnt it always matter how they compare as prospects overall, and not vs their position group in one draft class?

Random example....The 3rd best corner may be a FAR better NFL prospect the the best OG in a given year. Or another example...maybe the 3rd best QB one year my be way better than the top rated QB in another draft class.

 

[ksg811]

They are, but if you don't use them, then what? If you watch him, he is all feet and speed, very little use of his arms and hands. You have to wonder if the shoulder issue was a real problem with that.

This is how I tend to see it. He played with the injury for two years and didn't even know. He may not have been in pain, but I'm sure it had an impact on his range of motion and strength.

And for those questioning his height, it's actually a positive for him if he can improve his technique and arm usage. Him being shorter lowers his center of gravity and his long arms allow him to make first contact with the tackle. Line play is all about leverage, and he would be at a tremendous advantage by getting lower on the tackle, and using his elite initial and long arms to make first contact.

 

[darthseinfeld]

They are, but if you don't use them, then what? If you watch him, he is all feet and speed, very little use of his arms and hands. You have to wonder if the shoulder issue was a real problem with that.

Thats where coaching is going to have to come in. His hand usage is really going to need to be coached up. Its correctable though

 

[Alexander]

Thats where coaching is going to have to come in. His hand usage is really going to need to be coached up. Its correctable though

So what happened at UCLA? Did they just not have a clue?

 

[darthseinfeld]

So what happened at UCLA? Did they just not have a clue?

Considering how raw most of their top prospects like Barr and Jack were coming out? probably not

 

[Derinyar]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

Best guess is that you have to drop at least one slot off of CB, WR, S, and OG. I don't expect any of the top 3 WR to get to us. I really expect that at least 3-4 CB go in front of us. And there's many teams that need an OG and I'll just bet the top one is gone already. Current best guess is 3-4 QB go before us, and probably 1-2 OT because of team needs more then talent. The top two S should be gone by 10 and I'd bet Melinfonwu goes before us also.

But in your scenario probably the EDGE or the CB. After the top CB or 2 the talk is that a lot of the next 5-6 CBs are pretty flat on talent and you take the guy you like, IE you probably get someone rather equal in talent at 60 that you get at 28. You don't get your choice but the drop off from the guys like Watt, Takk, Rivers and Bowser to the next wave like Basham is larger then the move from Kevin King, Moreau, Jackson, and Awuzie. DT we aren't likely to take high because we have a good number of 3t and the defense doesn't prioritize 1t. LB I doubt we take in the first, if we do its because we have very bad reports about Smith's off season progress. I just don't think there's a safety there we would consider.

 

[tyke1doe]

Also, He's going to be a smaller DE. Is he even a great scheme fit for us? His long arms are what give me hope but he is only 6'2.

Dwight Freeney is 6'1, 266lbs when he came into the league. He notchd 13 sacks his rookie year, 11 his second year and 16 his third year. He has an unbelievable bend.

Just saying.

 

[CATCH17]

They are, but if you don't use them, then what? If you watch him, he is all feet and speed, very little use of his arms and hands. You have to wonder if the shoulder issue was a real problem with that.

For someone like him who gives high effort I give him the benefit of the doubt that he will evolve his game.

 

[CATCH17]

Also remember Lawrence is a UDFA after 2017

He'll be back or retire after this year because of his back. He's not going to command much on the open market unless he has a big season out of nowhere but somewhere along the line he messed his back up.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I like Takk and think he has a high ceiling but the injury does scare me.

It seems a routine injury on this team that should take a few weeks turns into a few months and before you know it they are on IR.

 

[Sydla]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

This analysis makes little sense. Why?

Because the 7th best pass rusher may still be a better player than the 2nd best WR.

I never got the logic that says "why would you take the 5th best OL when the 2nd best CB is there?". Well maybe because the 5th best OL is just a better player than the 2nd best CB?