Takk Mckinley is on the board at 28

[Alexander]

For someone like him who gives high effort I give him the benefit of the doubt that he will evolve his game.

I have said it for a while and I still am very wary of the surgery. The possibility of him being another Shaq Lawson washout just keeps me from endorsing the pick wholeheartedly.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Dwight Freeney is 6'1, 266lbs when he came into the league. He notchd 13 sacks his rookie year, 11 his second year and 16 his third year. He has an unbelievable bend.

Just saying.

Is he the one who spins off of lineman?

 

[Risen Star]

They are, but if you don't use them, then what? If you watch him, he is all feet and speed, very little use of his arms and hands. You have to wonder if the shoulder issue was a real problem with that.

Tapper, Willis, McKinley....I'm beginning to think you just hate really elite pass rushers.

 

[tyke1doe]

Is he the one who spins off of lineman?

Yep. He had a ridiculous spin move.

 

[Rogerthat12]

The only question is the injury, will the Cowboys pull the trigger with the injury complication? I think they like his motor and upside as a player.

All these DE prospects have warts in our range.

 

[CATCH17]

The only question is the injury, will the Cowboys pull the trigger with the injury complication? I think they like his motor and upside as a player.

All these DE prospects have warts in our range.

Yep...

At least with Takk he does have some athleticism, long arms, and he will give you all he has.

He's just going to miss all of training camp and part of the season.


I would wait another year for a RE and use our pick elsewhere.

 

[Sarge]

Hopefully they'll be smart enough to take Harris instead.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Yep...

At least with Takk he does have some athleticism, long arms, and he will give you all he has.

He's just going to miss all of training camp and part of the season.


I would wait another year for a RE and use our pick elsewhere.

Yes, they do not mind the leaner 240-250 RDE's with arm length and motor.

I think they will draft a RDE prospect this year but I am unsure if the shoulder for Takk will disqualify him this year as a candidate or not, I think it depends on how they view that injury and the time away from the field.

 

[ksg811]

I don't understand all the concern over his injury. It's only a torn labrum, not a debilitating injury like an achilles. Vic Beasley played through his rookie 2015 with a torn labrum and just led the league in sacks this past year.

This isn't a redshirt situation. The high end of his recovery would bring him to September, so worst case is he misses the first quarter of the season. He'll still attend training camp, work with coaches, learn the scheme, etc. I think it's incredibly short-sighted to disqualify him because he may miss a few games to start his rookie season, which rookie pass rushers usually struggle anyway. Any pass rusher we take at 28 is unlikely to be a big factor early on anyway, so why over analyze a potential missed few games when he arguably has the highest ceiling?

I fully understand the critiques of his game with his lack of bend, lack of counter moves, poor hand and arm usage etc, but I can't get behind the injury concerns. If the doctors clear him of any chronic or degenerative problems in his shoulder, that's all I need. There is enough depth on this roster to let him rehab and build towards full strength for a playoff push. Story is different though if there some kind of structural, degenerative, or genetic issue but none of us have access to his records, unfortunately.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I don't understand all the concern over his injury. It's only a torn labrum, not a debilitating injury like an achilles. Vic Beasley played through his rookie 2015 with a torn labrum and just led the league in sacks this past year.

This isn't a redshirt situation. The high end of his recovery would bring him to September, so worst case is he misses the first quarter of the season. He'll still attend training camp, work with coaches, learn the scheme, etc. I think it's incredibly short-sighted to disqualify him because he may miss a few games to start his rookie season, which rookie pass rushers usually struggle anyway. Any pass rusher we take at 28 is unlikely to be a big factor early on anyway, so why over analyze a potential missed few games when he arguably has the highest ceiling?

I fully understand the critiques of his game with his lack of bend, lack of counter moves, poor hand and arm usage etc, but I can't get behind the injury concerns. If the doctors clear him of any chronic or degenerative problems in his shoulder, that's all I need. There is enough depth on this roster to let him rehab and build towards full strength for a playoff push. Story is different though if there some kind of structural, degenerative, or genetic issue but none of us have access to his records, unfortunately.

It could be taken into consideration if there are two players with similar grades but only one has injury recovery even if it is possible to come back in September or October.

Time will tell assuming Takk is available at #28.

 

[Chuck 54]

I don't think he'll be above Carlton or Harris on our list. We can get a similar player in round two.
If there's an every down DE that falls, we may take him, but if a real stud isn't there, I can see us taking a CB and looking at situational DEs later.

 

[ksg811]

It could be taken into consideration if there are two players with similar grades but only one has injury recovery even if it is possible to come back in September or October.

Time will tell assuming Takk is available at #28.

I get what you're saying but wouldn't the injury already be reflected in the grade? And even so, I think it would be pretty misguided to have immediate availability of a rookie as a deciding factor between two players. I can understand a redshirt situation but at most a few games? That's just not logical to me.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I get what you're saying but wouldn't the injury already be reflected in the grade? And even so, I think it would be pretty misguided to have immediate availability of a rookie as a deciding factor between two players. I can understand a redshirt situation but at most a few games? That's just not logical to me.

I understand your point but we do not know how they grade these prospects with a possible temporary injury and we do not know how they view the Takk injury in specific.

They may prefer a player with immediate availability, Jerry mentioned this as a factor in drafting this year, does the Takk injury apply to this perspective, we do not know?

Time will tell.

 

[ksg811]

I understand your point but we do not know how they grade these prospects with a possible temporary injury and we do not know how they view the Takk injury in specific.

They may prefer a player with immediate availability, Jerry mentioned this as a factor in drafting this year, does the Takk injury apply to this perspective, we do not know?

Time will tell.

I don't think they're all too concerned with the injury, otherwise they wouldn't have met with him so many times.

I took Jerry's comments as being geared toward a Jaylon Smith redshirt situation, which Takk isn't. But like you said, we have no idea how they view injuries or specifically his and how comfortable they'd be with him potentially missing a few games as he gets back into game shape.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

So what happened at UCLA? Did they just not have a clue?

I used to be able to point out how restrictive college rules were at limiting practice time but the CBA has turned the pro game into that as well.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I like Harris better, but wouldn't be opposed to Takk.

I like the discipline he shows here:



And these are nice too:

 

[Zekeats]

I just don't see us passing on him if he makes it to 28.


My only problem is that he will most likely not get any reps in his first NFL Training camp and he may miss up to 6 games to start his career.

IMO, training camp isn't very important for guys that have been in the league for a 4 or 5 years but for these 1st-3rd year guys it is super critical.

Also, He's going to be a smaller DE. Is he even a great scheme fit for us? His long arms are what give me hope but he is only 6'2.



I know we have to think long term with these players but him missing time to start his career and being a bit undersized kinda worries me.

Also, I don't want to lose out on a stud pass rush guy in the upcoming drafts because we've invested picks in Lawrence and a DE in the 2017 1st round.

Different defensive end same story

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

While I understand the concerns over hand usage and corner bend with McKinley, I can't look past his burst off the snap and his instincts. He just explodes off the snap and finds the ball so quickly. 10 sacks is impressive, but the 18 tackles for loss and 6 pass breakups is what I keep coming back to. He's just constantly making plays behind the line and is relentless against the run and in the passing game.

 

[CF74]

Doesnt it always matter how they compare as prospects overall, and not vs their position group in one draft class?

Random example....The 3rd best corner may be a FAR better NFL prospect the the best OG in a given year. Or another example...maybe the 3rd best QB one year my be way better than the top rated QB in another draft class.

Yeah my list was more brainstorming than actual order of talent..

 

[Pants]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

I may go safety here as I think there are a few studs at that position that I see going in the top 10