Takk Mckinley is on the board at 28

[CF74]

This analysis makes little sense. Why?

Because the 7th best pass rusher may still be a better player than the 2nd best WR.

I never got the logic that says "why would you take the 5th best OL when the 2nd best CB is there?". Well maybe because the 5th best OL is just a better player than the 2nd best CB?

Yeah I guess I wasn't clear. It wasn't exactly a list in order of talent but really just a guess of what would be there at 28.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

bleh. he looks stiff on tape and at the combine.

 

[visionary]

Doesnt it always matter how they compare as prospects overall, and not vs their position group in one draft class?

Random example....The 3rd best corner may be a FAR better NFL prospect the the best OG in a given year. Or another example...maybe the 3rd best QB one year my be way better than the top rated QB in another draft class.

Agree
Any your 5th best pass rusher may be my 3rd best anyway

 

[Sarge]

bleh. he looks stiff on tape and at the combine.

^^^^^^

 

[Rogerthat12]

I don't think they're all too concerned with the injury, otherwise they wouldn't have met with him so many times.

I took Jerry's comments as being geared toward a Jaylon Smith redshirt situation, which Takk isn't. But like you said, we have no idea how they view injuries or specifically his and how comfortable they'd be with him potentially missing a few games as he gets back into game shape.

I agree, we just do not know but soon we will find out if he is indeed available.

The Jerry comment we just do not know how far that applies to an injured player, is it only a Jaylon type injury and redshirt player or a player that may be unavailable for game action until October, we simply do not know yet.

 

[tm1119]

Been asking for about 3 months now for someone to show me evidence of Takk getting a sack using a pass rush move, good hand usage, or speed and agility to bend around the edge....still waiting.
Hustle and effort is nice and all, but if he can't consistently beat OT's in the NFL he's going to be mediocre, at best.

 

[Gaede]

Been asking for about 3 months now for someone to show me evidence of Takk getting a sack using a pass rush move, good hand usage, or speed and agility to bend around the edge....still waiting.
Hustle and effort is nice and all, but if he can't consistently beat OT's in the NFL he's going to be mediocre, at best.

Not that I disagree completely, but moves & hand usage are something that a lot of these prospects could improve on.

If he got 10 sacks from just running real fast, stands to reason he can get much better with some NFL coaching

 

[tm1119]

Not that I disagree completely, but moves & hand usage are something that a lot of these prospects could improve on.

If he got 10 sacks from just running real fast, stands to reason he can get much better with some NFL coaching

Flexibility is a hard thing to teach...

And he didn't get sacks from running real fast. NFL QB's won't hold onto the ball as long as Pac 12 QB's. 2nd effort sacks isn't a realistic way to make a living as a DE in the NFL.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Pass

 

[xwalker]

Been asking for about 3 months now for someone to show me evidence of Takk getting a sack using a pass rush move, good hand usage, or speed and agility to bend around the edge....still waiting.
Hustle and effort is nice and all, but if he can't consistently beat OT's in the NFL he's going to be mediocre, at best.

Here is the link:

Player: Tanoh Kpassagno
Position: DE
Overall Rank: 158

 

[BermyStar]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

In this draft the 2nd best safety is the easy choice for me. Adams and Hooker are generally considered 1 and 2, mostly in that order. Hooker is my favorite player in this draft and has potential to be elite. Even if you rate them in reverse Adams has elite potential as well.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So what happened at UCLA? Did they just not have a clue?

If all prospects from big programs were perfectly coached then the vast majority of players would never show anything but linear progression that comes with playing time and experience. Thankfully we know that not to be true.

 

[tm1119]

Here is the link:

Player: Tanoh Kpassagno
Position: DE
Overall Rank: 158

Really? You like Tanoh that much? Kinda surprising

 

[tm1119]

If all prospects from big programs were perfectly coached then the vast majority of players would never show anything but linear progression that comes with playing time and experience. Thankfully we know that not to be true.

We aren't talking about subtle nuances to make him better. We are taking about the basic fundamentals of playing the position that should be taught in high school. If you think Mora Jr and Tom Bradley (2 defensive gurus) didn't try and teach him hand use or pass rush moves you're crazy.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We aren't talking about subtle nuances to make him better. We are taking about the basic fundamentals of playing the position that should be taught in high school. If you think Mora Jr and Tom Bradley (2 defensive gurus) didn't try and teach him hand use or pass rush moves you're crazy.

I mean we see this every year. Often a guy who is more physically talented just leans on that ability to produce and no coach can get through to them.

Put them up against Tyron Smith and suddenly perhaps they start to listen.

I'm not a fan of his at 28 but I'm not so overly concerned about his raw technique.

 

[xwalker]

We aren't talking about subtle nuances to make him better. We are taking about the basic fundamentals of playing the position that should be taught in high school. If you think Mora Jr and Tom Bradley (2 defensive gurus) didn't try and teach him hand use or pass rush moves you're crazy.

Some college coaches don't go that far coaching up the really good players. The player has limited time and they don't want to change the player's natural style or to make him start over-thinking. Also, coaches spend a lot of time trying to coach up the weak positions on the team.

It's one of the reasons many QBs come out of college with poor mechanics. The college coach often doesn't want that QB to have to learn to play with different mechanics, so they just coach him on the non-mechanics part of playing QB.

 

[rambo2]

Maybe somebody can help me with this:

7th best pass rusher
3rd best corner
2nd best wr
2nd best safety
2nd best lb
1st best guard
2nd best dt

(My best guess not really knowing names or how it will play out)

Now who do you take?

How do you know who the best is?

 

[bonafidebanter]

We really need to stop drafting injured players. I'm not a fan of the 3/4 OLB position that he seems to fit better either.

 

[CF74]

How do you know who the best is?

I don't...

 

[rambo2]

We really need to stop drafting injured players. I'm not a fan of the 3/4 OLB position that he seems to fit better either.

You might want to watch Smith and Takk play before you say something like this?