Talent versus culture what's the most important

[Blackrain]

I got to believe it all starts with the culture when we were the best we had a strong culture and the players wanted to win Super bowls and it meant something to them.

That culture started with leadership and strong coaching.

Landry and his coaching tree and later Jimmy Johnson strong coaches Hall of Fame coaches that brought championship culture.

It seems with our team now that we need much more talent than other teams because we have such a weak culture other teams seem to do more with less because they are disciplined accountable and actually want to win a Super bowl.

Our talented players mirror our owner and concentrate on being the highest paid at their positions and don't take winning a Super bowl as a serious priority.

I feel we can continue to add talent but until we establish a winning culture that's not all about making money and about winning a championship we are just spinning our Wheels.

From the looks of it we have a whole load of young coaches on this coaching staff it will be interesting to see if they change the culture and shape this roster into something.

There is really nobody on this coaching staff with the experience and the reputation that I would look at and say this guy is a slam dunk to change the culture on this team and create a winning atmosphere.

It's really a crap shoot as to whether we will add talent to our defense with those number one draft picks and it will make the kind of difference we are hoping for.
Imo if the culture doesn't change radically I don't think we're going to get the result from the draft picks that we hope for

 

[big dog cowboy]

That's a tough call for me. I'm leaning towards talent being more important. A championship winning culture can't overcome lack of talent.

That being said, coaching still matters. We will all see that on full display this year. CP > Flus by light years. There is no way CP would have done the idiotic things Flus did last year.

 

[Aven8]

This is a talent league. Darnold may not be the most talented QB but he was on this year’s most talented team.

 

[Blackrain]

That's a tough call for me. I'm leaning towards talent being more important. A championship winning culture can't overcome lack of talent.

That being said, coaching still matters. We will all see that on full display this year. CP > Flus by light years. There is no way CP would have done the idiotic things Flus did last year.

Exactly I believe if we had a better culture and a better defensive coach last year our defense would not have been historically bad.

No it wouldn't have been top 10 but it might have been around 20 and good enough for us to make the playoffs.

I look at some of the players that are supposedly talented that come out of college and they just don't make it here I believe because of the culture and go other places and are successful.

 

[Blackrain]

This is a talent league. Darnold may not be the most talented QB but he was on this year’s most talented team.

Seattle is a good example look at demarcus Lawrence
Complained he was tired here in big games and became a ghost goes to Seattle where there is a solid culture and his nonsense wouldn't be tolerated and has a great year and wins the Super bowl.
He is the perfect example of how a culture change can affect a player's career.

 

[Blackrain]

Makai becton is another example that comes into my mind. The Jets another horrible franchise with a bad culture he underachieved there gets traded to the eagles where there is a very solid culture and becomes an integral part in their offensive line they're running game and winning a Super bowl.

Then goes to the chargers and becomes an underachiever again.
Says to me that some talented players are not self-starters and need a strong culture to reach their potential

 

[John813]

Talent by itself is great for football video games. But without culture in place you see what the Cowboys have done for the past handful of years. Beat up the weaker teams but then fall flat when adversity comes.
And you get players who rather work on business ventures or podcasts rather than continue to put in the work.

Cowboys need an exorcism from the Jones curse first.

 

[jazzcat22]

Talent for sure.
As I do not believe the culture is as bad as the fans and media make it out to be.

When people say poor culture, they are wrong. To me they way they are implying it, is actually toxic. This team has no toxic personalities.

I say it is more of a task of outside distractions, and not poor culture.
Outside distraction, as in Jerry landing his helicopter, tours where they can see the players working out.
He needs to separate all of that from the players.

 

[DallasEast]

I have witnessed teams in various sports excel with average talent. Usually, those teams come from winning traditions.

Sometimes, they push beyond expectations. And while they do not take home the trophies, they will occasionally get within arms' length of grabbing them.

Super Bowl culture is what has eroded within this franchise. Some teams have not been totally bereft of talent during the past three decades. All of those teams have not owned the will to win though. They possessed on-and-off grit, which will not get any team across the finish line.

Both talent and culture are key components. Each are dependent upon the other. Separate you get, well, you get no conference and/or Super Bowl appearances in 30 years.

Going forward, any Dallas team must build its own championship contending culture despite the inclusion of the franchise owner and family. Nothing is impossible, but the long-standing and established challenge cannot be ignored either.

 

[sunalsorises]

There has to be a balance. I wouldn't say the 90's Cowboys had a "good culture." Between the White House, and Irvin showing up in court in a fur, and Aikman's band, and Jerry Jones I'd say that team was a circus that winning hid. The same circus has continued in different versions. The only difference is the winning stopped.

Pittsburgh is a team that is probably a little more culture than talent. Pittsburgh has struggled to win, although they've consistently "been around the rim."

 

[sunalsorises]

Talent for sure.
As I do not believe the culture is as bad as the fans and media make it out to be.

When people say poor culture, they are wrong. To me they way they are implying it, is actually toxic. This team has no toxic personalities.

I say it is more of a task of outside distractions, and not poor culture.
Outside distraction, as in Jerry landing his helicopter, tours where they can see the players working out.
He needs to separate all of that from the players.

The tours and helicopters is the culture along with the chain of command. When players don't like what the coach says they have an open door to the owner. That is toxic and is a poor culture. All the talent in the world is going to struggle to overcome the way Jerry runs the franchise.

 

[RS12]

They are both important. They have had talent in the past but here we are decades later with 30 participation trophies. The message and actions from the top has to be winning matters, not relevance.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I got to believe it all starts with the culture when we were the best we had a strong culture and the players wanted to win Super bowls and it meant something to them.

That culture started with leadership and strong coaching.

Landry and his coaching tree and later Jimmy Johnson strong coaches Hall of Fame coaches that brought championship culture.

It seems with our team now that we need much more talent than other teams because we have such a weak culture other teams seem to do more with less because they are disciplined accountable and actually want to win a Super bowl.

Our talented players mirror our owner and concentrate on being the highest paid at their positions and don't take winning a Super bowl as a serious priority.

I feel we can continue to add talent but until we establish a winning culture that's not all about making money and about winning a championship we are just spinning our Wheels.

From the looks of it we have a whole load of young coaches on this coaching staff it will be interesting to see if they change the culture and shape this roster into something.

There is really nobody on this coaching staff with the experience and the reputation that I would look at and say this guy is a slam dunk to change the culture on this team and create a winning atmosphere.

It's really a crap shoot as to whether we will add talent to our defense with those number one draft picks and it will make the kind of difference we are hoping for.
Imo if the culture doesn't change radically I don't think we're going to get the result from the draft picks that we hope for

Talent is subjective though. Most people will tell you every in the NFL is talented. There are outliers for sure like there’s only one Myles Garrett. Talent is important. But you can overcome a bad coaching staff or culture. Just can’t.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They are both important. They have had talent in the past but here we are decades later with 30 participation trophies. The message and actions from the top has to be winning matters, not relevance.

Cowboys problem in the past is even when they have been talented they’d lack some things. Important things. DT isn’t a sexy position but it’s not a coincidence that most SB winners have a great interior presence. Cowboys tried to contend with Trysten Hill and Mazi Smith.

 

[reddyuta]

to me you need smarts,if your coach is smarter than his opponent then they will win most games especially in the NFL.we unfortunately havent been able to find an innovative Defensive coach in 3 years and hopefully Parker is it.

 

[dreghorn2]

You need culture to determine if you have talent in the first place.

You set a culture, have everyone pulling in that direction, then you can actually see where your talent deficiencies lie.

Hard to do the other way around.

 

[conner01]

Talent. Culture is more of a product of winning. Talent gets you wins

 

[gtb1943]

Talent for sure.
As I do not believe the culture is as bad as the fans and media make it out to be.

When people say poor culture, they are wrong. To me they way they are implying it, is actually toxic. This team has no toxic personalities.

I say it is more of a task of outside distractions, and not poor culture.
Outside distraction, as in Jerry landing his helicopter, tours where they can see the players working out.
He needs to separate all of that from the players.

Toxic is NGM and Jr

 

[Coogiguy03]

What about proper talent evaluation, we seem to think there was something special about a player like Murray. We need to spend more time really evaluating guys and how they fit our schemes

 

[Rockport]

I got to believe it all starts with the culture when we were the best we had a strong culture and the players wanted to win Super bowls and it meant something to them.

That culture started with leadership and strong coaching.

Landry and his coaching tree and later Jimmy Johnson strong coaches Hall of Fame coaches that brought championship culture.

It seems with our team now that we need much more talent than other teams because we have such a weak culture other teams seem to do more with less because they are disciplined accountable and actually want to win a Super bowl.

Our talented players mirror our owner and concentrate on being the highest paid at their positions and don't take winning a Super bowl as a serious priority.

I feel we can continue to add talent but until we establish a winning culture that's not all about making money and about winning a championship we are just spinning our Wheels.

From the looks of it we have a whole load of young coaches on this coaching staff it will be interesting to see if they change the culture and shape this roster into something.

There is really nobody on this coaching staff with the experience and the reputation that I would look at and say this guy is a slam dunk to change the culture on this team and create a winning atmosphere.

It's really a crap shoot as to whether we will add talent to our defense with those number one draft picks and it will make the kind of difference we are hoping for.
Imo if the culture doesn't change radically I don't think we're going to get the result from the draft picks that we hope for

Great question and I agree culture is most important. However I disagree with you that there isn’t anyone on the coaching staff that can change the culture. Schotty’s been doing that, and will continue to do it, since the first day he was hired as HC.