Talent versus culture what's the most important

[kskboys]

I corrected you when you called me a homer after I made a comment you didn't comprehend clearly. That's it. If you're mad about that, you're mad.

Looks to me like you're mad. You get off to slinging little insults and then denying you did it. Dude, it's in print.

I'm not sure you're capable of comprehending much of anything. I'm sure you don't get this one.

 

[kskboys]

Culture. Period.

Not even. Nothing matters if you don't have the talent.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Looks to me like you're mad. You get off to slinging little insults and then denying you did it. Dude, it's in print.

I'm not sure you're capable of comprehending much of anything. I'm sure you don't get this one.

If you consider me telling you that I don't have time to explain my comments to you as an insult, that's your problem. Seriously, go take a Valium or something. This conversation is getting dumber by the post. And no, that's not an insult; thats a fact.

 

[kskboys]

If you consider me telling you that I don't have time to explain my comments to you as an insult, that's your problem. Seriously, go take a Valium or something. This conversation is getting dumber by the post. And no, that's not an insult; thats a fact.

Boyhowdy, you hit that one on the head!!!!!!!! So stop being dumb and throwing little grade school crapp.

 

[Rockport]

I have witnessed teams in various sports excel with average talent. Usually, those teams come from winning traditions.

Sometimes, they push beyond expectations. And while they do not take home the trophies, they will occasionally get within arms' length of grabbing them.

Super Bowl culture is what has eroded within this franchise. Some teams have not been totally bereft of talent during the past three decades. All of those teams have not owned the will to win though. They possessed on-and-off grit, which will not get any team across the finish line.

Both talent and culture are key components. Each are dependent upon the other. Separate you get, well, you get no conference and/or Super Bowl appearances in 30 years.

Going forward, any Dallas team must build its own championship contending culture despite the inclusion of the franchise owner and family. Nothing is impossible, but the long-standing and established challenge cannot be ignored either.

Doesn’t matter how much talent you have. If you don’t have the culture to support it and nuture it you’ll never win.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Boyhowdy, you hit that one on the head!!!!!!!! So stop being dumb and throwing little grade school crapp.

Tomorrow is a new day, Ksk! It'll be okay!

 

[Chasing6]

I got to believe it all starts with the culture when we were the best we had a strong culture and the players wanted to win Super bowls and it meant something to them.

That culture started with leadership and strong coaching.

Landry and his coaching tree and later Jimmy Johnson strong coaches Hall of Fame coaches that brought championship culture.

It seems with our team now that we need much more talent than other teams because we have such a weak culture other teams seem to do more with less because they are disciplined accountable and actually want to win a Super bowl.

Our talented players mirror our owner and concentrate on being the highest paid at their positions and don't take winning a Super bowl as a serious priority.

I feel we can continue to add talent but until we establish a winning culture that's not all about making money and about winning a championship we are just spinning our Wheels.

From the looks of it we have a whole load of young coaches on this coaching staff it will be interesting to see if they change the culture and shape this roster into something.

There is really nobody on this coaching staff with the experience and the reputation that I would look at and say this guy is a slam dunk to change the culture on this team and create a winning atmosphere.

It's really a crap shoot as to whether we will add talent to our defense with those number one draft picks and it will make the kind of difference we are hoping for.
Imo if the culture doesn't change radically I don't think we're going to get the result from the draft picks that we hope for

3rd down conversions.

 

[Blackrain]

Maybe in 07. Mostly, the teams have lacked talent in an area that rose up to bite us in the playoffs.

I agree with you in most instances Jerry has kept us two or three players away from actually being able to compete in the playoffs.

That said sometimes the coaching has been so bad that some of our talented players have never been able to reach their potential because our culture and coaching is just so substandard.

Even when McCarthy got us 12 wins you knew from watching those teams during the regular season that we were going absolutely nowhere in the playoffs.
You could just tell it was smoke mirrors with that perfect storm defense that beat up on bad teams and couldn't stop the run.

People can talk and blow smoke all they want that the culture is changing when I see this Dallas Cowboys football team with the lowest number of penalties in the league I will know the culture has changed.

This is an area that has just shot Us in the foot for absolutely eons and it doesn't matter how much talent we have as long as we have stupid players undermining that talent and keeping us constantly behind the sticks and giving other teams opportunities

 

[Blackrain]

Not even. Nothing matters if you don't have the talent.

This is very true brother but I believe that our culture has caused us to have a lack of talent in areas that we've needed it now bear with me for a moment.

You and I for 20 years have beat the drum that we need quality defensive tackles to be competitive.
Our culture with Jerry at the helm and the coaches he hires have avoided this like the plague up until last year when the light bulb went on.
Now we have Clark and Williams and a chance to actually stop the run and we can work from there to build a defense that doesn't collapse in big moments.

We have had a culture that has tolerated an amount of penalties every year that crippled this team and keep us in the top penalized teams of the league and no coach that Jerry hires ever attends to this problem .

In My mind I attribute this to a weak culture that doesn't hold people accountable and fix ongoing problems.

I think when we fix the culture problem then we will concentrate on acquiring the proper talent hold that talent accountable even after it gets paid and be able to coach that talent to its potential.

 

[Blackrain]

When we look back on it after that Green Bay game our culture basically allowed Jerry to throw a little tantrum

By making the whole team and coaching staff pay for that loss by basically tanking the season not participating in free agency at all and forcing McCarthy to coach with nothing to work with.

Our culture headed by Jerry who was not going to lose any money by paying a coach to sit and not coach just threw away the whole season he didn't care what US fans thought.

This culture allowed him to be spiteful where if we had the proper kind of culture we would have fired the coach hired somebody better and moved on and been a year ahead in the process

 

[Blackrain]

Doesn’t matter how much talent you have. If you don’t have the culture to support it and nuture it you’ll never win.

Certainly seen it talented players come here get hit by our culture and underachieve only to go on and have success somewhere else

 

[Rockport]

Certainly seen it talented players come here get hit by our culture and underachieve only to go on and have success somewhere else

Yep.

 

[kskboys]

This is very true brother but I believe that our culture has caused us to have a lack of talent in areas that we've needed it now bear with me for a moment.

You and I for 20 years have beat the drum that we need quality defensive tackles to be competitive.
Our culture with Jerry at the helm and the coaches he hires have avoided this like the plague up until last year when the light bulb went on.
Now we have Clark and Williams and a chance to actually stop the run and we can work from there to build a defense that doesn't collapse in big moments.

We have had a culture that has tolerated an amount of penalties every year that crippled this team and keep us in the top penalized teams of the league and no coach that Jerry hires ever attends to this problem .

In My mind I attribute this to a weak culture that doesn't hold people accountable and fix ongoing problems.

I think when we fix the culture problem then we will concentrate on acquiring the proper talent hold that talent accountable even after it gets paid and be able to coach that talent to its potential.

Oh, it is definitely both. However, talent is 60%, coaching and culture combine for the remaining 40.

 

[kskboys]

Tomorrow is a new day, Ksk! It'll be okay!

Great idea!!!

Apologies to all. Rocky and a few others have a bunch of posters on edge w/ their constant insults and debasements. I thought to myself last night that I need to be better, trying.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Great idea!!!

Apologies to all. Rocky and a few others have a bunch of posters on edge w/ their constant insults and debasements. I thought to myself last night that I need to be better, trying.

It really is that time of year where everything stinks. The usual mind-numbing comments from the company you referred to, plus nothing to look forward to but quotes from Jerry and Cap Boy for a very long time. I can do better, too.

 

[ICP]

You need both, Dallas had 3 consecutive 12-5 seasons and what do they have to show for it?

 

[Blackrain]

Oh, it is definitely both. However, talent is 60%, coaching and culture combine for the remaining 40.

And sometimes I feel like our culture creates a which came first the chicken or the egg type situation where.

It's hard to tell if we are so untalented that it's making the coaching look bad or if the coaching is so bad that the talent can't reach its potential.

I think for example demarcus Lawrence was a talented player but needed better coaching to reach his potential like he did in Seattle.

Where you could take Sanborn and Murray and even Tom Landry couldn't make something out of those two they just don't have the talent.

I also think part of our culture is Jerry being so cheap and not wanting to pay elite coaches and scouts can properly evaluate talent.
I think that's part of why we get physically talented guys that are dumb as a bag of rocks and when they get to the NFL they're a penalty flag waiting to happen.

And it seems our culture prevents us from having the coaching staff that can fast-track those physically talented guys into mentally aware football contributors.

 

[Blackrain]

It really is that time of year where everything stinks. The usual mind-numbing comments from the company you referred to, plus nothing to look forward to but quotes from Jerry and Cap Boy for a very long time. I can do better, too.

I hear you brother sometimes I just can't save myself from myself and as hard as I try not to come off like a hard-nosed prick and a jackwagon
I'll reread what I've written and be like well that doesn't sound very tactful and I guess I can't unsay it now.
Maybe it's just having to deal with all these animals from Philadelphia for so long it keeps you perpetually on the defensive.

But my apologies if I come off like an azz. Hole

 

[kskboys]

And sometimes I feel like our culture creates a which came first the chicken or the egg type situation where.

It's hard to tell if we are so untalented that it's making the coaching look bad or if the coaching is so bad that the talent can't reach its potential.

I think for example demarcus Lawrence was a talented player but needed better coaching to reach his potential like he did in Seattle.

Where you could take Sanborn and Murray and even Tom Landry couldn't make something out of those two they just don't have the talent.

I also think part of our culture is Jerry being so cheap and not wanting to pay elite coaches and scouts can properly evaluate talent.
I think that's part of why we get physically talented guys that are dumb as a bag of rocks and when they get to the NFL they're a penalty flag waiting to happen.

And it seems our culture prevents us from having the coaching staff that can fast-track those physically talented guys into mentally aware football contributors.

DLaw just didn't have enough talent around him.

 

[Chasing6]

And sometimes I feel like our culture creates a which came first the chicken or the egg type situation where.

It's hard to tell if we are so untalented that it's making the coaching look bad or if the coaching is so bad that the talent can't reach its potential.

I think for example demarcus Lawrence was a talented player but needed better coaching to reach his potential like he did in Seattle.

Where you could take Sanborn and Murray and even Tom Landry couldn't make something out of those two they just don't have the talent.

I also think part of our culture is Jerry being so cheap and not wanting to pay elite coaches and scouts can properly evaluate talent.
I think that's part of why we get physically talented guys that are dumb as a bag of rocks and when they get to the NFL they're a penalty flag waiting to happen.

And it seems our culture prevents us from having the coaching staff that can fast-track those physically talented guys into mentally aware football contributors.

It's neither. The GM is making the Coaching look bad.