Talkin Cowboys 1/22

[LatinMind]

Is 1/22 the right date?

yes i barely had a chance to listen to this last night.

 

[LatinMind]

LM, what was meant by the "nightmare" statement? It seems to me that it would be a good thing if those three were available to start (I'm assuming that Hitchens is still in the mix...he isn't going anywhere).

the injury aspect of having those 3 start

 

[LatinMind]

I think Parnell follows Callahan to Washington. Likely for an inflated price tag. I have no problem keeping Free at reasonable cost for both sides and grooming an eventual replacement. Based on the number of tackles they've kept around and signed to futures deal, it looks like that's the plan.



Not sure where that dismissive attitude comes from with Broaddus. Williams spurned multiple offers and stayed here for a reason. And the team immediately re-signed him for a reason too.



If there's criticism of Murray's inability to 'take it to the house', that's even more glaring with Ingram. Ingram is a good player, but he looks like a step down from Murray's ability to me.

All of them agreed dallas has something in Randle.

 

[LandryFan]

the injury aspect of having those 3 start

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[LatinMind]

So much up in the air right now. Think @stasheroo may be right with Parnell to Was. I think Weems can serve as the swing tackle and they must like the vet T to compete there. Not sure we spend a draft pick on the OL unless someone injured falls. We can redshirt one or two guys although I'd prefer zero.

Not sure why Durant, Ro and Lee is a nightmare unless he's talking as @WoodysGirl said durability. Counting on all three may be problematic although I'm not a big believer in past injuries like knees being predictive. You can't ignore it either though. I like Durant a lot. He's versatile and an all around good player. He can play three downs if needed. I Iike Carter although he is an enigma. Not sure but my guess is someone will give him more money than we will. Disappointed this player didn't show us more.

Many here won't like it but I think they will depend on Spencer to be the starting SDE. They just need another pass rusher in or out with my preference being WDE to compliment Lawrence.

I'd get two CBs who can tackle and cover with some length to compete with the rest of the gang. They will have to have a pretty good safety to drop to them otherwise they will look past 3 to draft one; JMO.

They need a cover LB to throw in the mix. I'd look for a big college safety/joker like Holloman to push for time in SPs and maybe play some Will as well as add depth at safety. 6-2 or 6-3 230ish with 4.5-6 speed who can cover decently. Holloman was one example but another would be someone Woody's size and speed.

Dennis made a great point about Carter saying Carters ceiling is higher then any LBer Dallas has but we only see flashes of it.

 

[LatinMind]

So Free changed from being the weakest link of that line to the Big Daddy and leader in the Oline meetings. Interesting.

OL have said that all year but certain parnell fans in this forum refuse to admit it, rather saying they are being nice lol

 

[LatinMind]

Rarely do I agree with Spagnola, but he sounds dead on here.

Hopefully, some teams look at Parnell and his age and throw starter money at him.



He is also looking at probably his last contract. I don't see many teams lining up to push him out of a reasonable range to re-sign.



Nothing new here, that is every year and why it is bad to have a glaring need for the role.



Since Orchard is probably out of range, he is probably next to get elevated.



Already have that in Crawford. We need less ambiguity and more specifics to get the rush on track. Too bad because I think he is very underrated.



I get the injury concerns, but if healthy, they are the most skilled trio.



I would agree, but you never know how teams look at a 12-4 team and over value, failing to look at the player's overall inconsistency.

Mickey was absolutely disgusted over the thought of Parnell starting lol. Even more then Broaddus.

Broaddus said that scouts wanted to see Orchard play standing up and said he did good, and will probably be looked at more as a OLB for a 3-4 team

 

[Idgit]

So Free changed from being the weakest link of that line to the Big Daddy and leader in the Oline meetings. Interesting.

Free's been the veteran leader of the line here recently. At least, that's what the other OLs say in interviews and the like when they talk about it. Fans have wanted Free replaced since he was drafted. Either because he was a mid-round pick with some finesse to his game in the first place, or because it took him a few years to round into shape as a contributor. But Free's always been a capable player, and you've got to have guys like that contributing on every team.

 

[LatinMind]

Free's been the veteran leader of the line here recently. At least, that's what the other OLs say in interviews and the like when they talk about it. Fans have wanted Free replaced since he was drafted. Either because he was a mid-round pick with some finesse to his game in the first place, or because it took him a few years to round into shape as a contributor. But Free's always been a capable player, and you've got to have guys like that contributing on every team.

I think the team screwed it up like they did with Gurode switching posistions every yr. Free played RT then switched to LT then back to RT. Gurode had the same struggles until they left him at one spot

 

[DandyDon1722]

So much up in the air right now. Think @stasheroo may be right with Parnell to Was. I think Weems can serve as the swing tackle and they must like the vet T to compete there. Not sure we spend a draft pick on the OL unless someone injured falls. We can redshirt one or two guys although I'd prefer zero.

Not sure why Durant, Ro and Lee is a nightmare unless he's talking as @WoodysGirl said durability. Counting on all three may be problematic although I'm not a big believer in past injuries like knees being predictive. You can't ignore it either though. I like Durant a lot. He's versatile and an all around good player. He can play three downs if needed. I Iike Carter although he is an enigma. Not sure but my guess is someone will give him more money than we will. Disappointed this player didn't show us more.

Many here won't like it but I think they will depend on Spencer to be the starting SDE. They just need another pass rusher in or out with my preference being WDE to compliment Lawrence.

I'd get two CBs who can tackle and cover with some length to compete with the rest of the gang. They will have to have a pretty good safety to drop to them otherwise they will look past 3 to draft one; JMO.

They need a cover LB to throw in the mix. I'd look for a big college safety/joker like Holloman to push for time in SPs and maybe play some Will as well as add depth at safety. 6-2 or 6-3 230ish with 4.5-6 speed who can cover decently. Holloman was one example but another would be someone Woody's size and speed.

I don't know why anybody would not like that. He had a good last half of the season and I think he spent the first half getting this legs under him. Anthony Spencer with a good off season and a year removed from surgery should be considered an asset heading into next year. You aren't going to draft anybody who would be better out of the gate than him.

 

[jobberone]

Dennis made a great point about Carter saying Carters ceiling is higher then any LBer Dallas has but we only see flashes of it.

That's a good way to say it.

 

[Stash]

All of them agreed dallas has something in Randle.

He certainly showed up when given the opportunities, and looked to have more 'home run' ability than Murray did.

But that off-the-field stuff has to factor in, as well as how stupid, immature, and clueless he appeared.

I can only hope that it was a wake-up call for the young man and something he's learned from and will never happen again.

 

[jobberone]

I don't know why anybody would not like that. He had a good last half of the season and I think he spent the first half getting this legs under him. Anthony Spencer with a good off season and a year removed from surgery should be considered an asset heading into next year. You aren't going to draft anybody who would be better out of the gate than him.

Many here don't like him but a lot are the same people who didn't like Free, Gurode, Kosier, etc. The guy is not a rush DE who can bend and turn the corner but he will give you some pressure. He can drop into coverage and he can stuff the run very well. He's the type of guy you like on your team. Would I want better? Sure but like you said it will be hard to replace the guy. He should be back health wise this year. I'd like to have him and address other areas. At the worst he's a very good backup who is going to give you a lot of quality snaps in rotation.

I never have understood the angst about Spencer. He's a good player.

 

[Stash]

Since Orchard is probably out of range, he is probably next to get elevated.

I hope not! I've been doing some homework on him and he's emerging as a 'pet cat'.

I'd hate to think all of my 'hard work' has been in vain!

 

[Alexander]

He certainly showed up when given the opportunities, and looked to have more 'home run' ability than Murray did.

But that off-the-field stuff has to factor in, as well as how stupid, immature, and clueless he appeared.

I can only hope that it was a wake-up call for the young man and something he's learned from and will never happen again.

The home run ability diminishes the more work a back gets. How he produced in limited opportunities will give a false positive if you think that extends as he gets more carries. The backup effect has caught quite a few teams by surprise. Look at Ben Tate in a similar system. It did not take long for Cleveland then later Minnesota realize that.

His maturity and ability to handle being the focus of the run game worry me significantly. Entrusting someone with that kind of immaturity for such a key role in our offensive identity should be frightening if you think about it.

 

[Alexander]

I hope not! I've been doing some homework on him and he's emerging as a 'pet cat'.

I'd hate to think all of my 'hard work' has been in vain!

I have already written him off just like I did Aaron Donald at the same time last year. Time to start focusing a little more on getting a read on player like Harold, Armstead, Mauldin, Flowers, Golden, Hunter and Trail.

 

[Kaiser]

So Free changed from being the weakest link of that line to the Big Daddy and leader in the Oline meetings. Interesting.

Free is six years older than anyone else on that line with five more seasons of NFL experience. It would be unusual if he wasn't the clubhouse leader of the group.

And if Spagnola had the exact opposite opinion of Parnell there would be people posting "Yeah, but its only Spags". The real judgement from the team is going to be in the form of their contract offers to Free and Parnell.

 

[LatinMind]

Many here don't like him but a lot are the same people who didn't like Free, Gurode, Kosier, etc. The guy is not a rush DE who can bend and turn the corner but he will give you some pressure. He can drop into coverage and he can stuff the run very well. He's the type of guy you like on your team. Would I want better? Sure but like you said it will be hard to replace the guy. He should be back health wise this year. I'd like to have him and address other areas. At the worst he's a very good backup who is going to give you a lot of quality snaps in rotation.

I never have understood the angst about Spencer. He's a good player.

Would not mind having him and a guy like Michael Johnson on the left side if hes let go by Tampa.

 

[LatinMind]

I have already written him off just like I did Aaron Donald at the same time last year. Time to start focusing a little more on getting a read on player like Harold, Armstead, Mauldin, Flowers, Golden, Hunter and Trail.

i really think if they dont go get a guy like JPP in FA the pick will be Odighizuwa.

 

[jobberone]

Would not mind having him and a guy like Michael Johnson on the left side if hes let go by Tampa.

Not sure how it works but I think he's into Tampa for about 10M this year guaranteed. Not sure about the number but it is substantial. If released I guess TB is on the hook so no trade. Not sure what he commands on the open market. Was his last two years good?