Team Injuries

[Creeper]

From everything I have read the Cowboys are only mildly concerned about Smith and Collins. And that is probably just the natural reaction to the guys coming off injury. If the doctors have indicated that either of these guys is a big concern due to lingering injury then we'll know on draft day when the cowboys take an offensive lineman at 10 or if they trade down and still take an OT, like Darrisaw. That will be a clear indication that Smith or Collins may be broken.

Of course we have no idea about the real injury details of either player so there will be a lot of speculation and drama. Collins's hip surgery does not have to be a problem. I think doctors are a lot better at this procedure than they were even 10 years ago. I am also not too worried about Tyron's neck. But, I put Tyron in the same boat with LVE. It is not about any one injury. It is about the ability for either of them to get through a season without sustaining a new injury. But Tyron is only 30 so he could easily get through 2021 without missing any games.

The injury I am most concerned with is Dak's. Not because I think it won't heal, or there will be ongoing problems with it. or that he will even reinjure it. My concern is Dak will reel in his mobility and choose to take a sack rather than run, or prematurely dump the ball off to avoid pressure. One of Dak's best traits is his ability and willingness to take off and run for a first down. Without his mobility then he is just an average QB. And maybe this is the reason the Cowboys will draft OL.

 

[Doomsday101]

You keep hammering on points that I never said anything about to the contrary.

I was just responding to your post

The Cowboys, especially since McCarthy has come on board, are stingy with specific information about anything. Occasionally the Jones boys get diarrhea of the mouth with the information they should just shut up about but for the most part, they don't volunteer information. Injuries fall in this category. This causes a great deal of speculation from the media and consternation from fans by not knowing specifics on certain player's health.

 

[DandyDon52]

OK, I get it. The draft is coming up. We're bored especially after the "Pay the QB/ Dak's a bum" winter we all endured (which I tried with all my heart to avoid) has come to a minor interruption (for most).

Now that the crust of the draft is upon us there's other sideline drama queen (or drama king) snipets and threads all the time.

So here's a question or scenario situation to consider throughout modern pro football history: "How many players, off of all 32 teams have in season and post season surgeries"? Don't answer this because the exact number is really not that important. Can we say a substantial number? Even if it's 3 players off each team (a reasonable assumption) then that's 1% of the league. If we include arthroscopic surgeries then this number at least doubles.

Now the biggee . . . "How many of these are career ending injuries"? I'd say a micro portion of those.

Once more, an attempt to inspire logical thought processes by a series of questions:

- Why do many bring up Tyron's Smith neck injury and use his past 2-3 seasons as a measuring stick to project him missing multiple games? Hasn't his injured neck been surgically repaired which in theory has alleviated the injury that plagued him for several seasons? Lastly, how can you now say he'll miss multiple games (which he might) because he did in 2017-2020 due to the neck if it's surgically repaired? He had no other body region/part causing him problems. Think about this.


- Then comes Dak's injury. A fracture. If anything in our body repairs itself well it's our bony/skeletal structure. Especially with titanium pieces and screws placed along the fracture to maintain stability. Why then is there the drama "can Dak still play?" "Will he be as good?" "Will he be 100%?" C'mon folks, its a bony fracture. I'd venture to say over half of you have broken long bones . . . wrists, ankles, fingers. As long as you're not 80-90 years old ( a bow to our long suffering fans that were used to Cowboy excellency) and leaching calcium and phosphorus from your bones you can pretty much expect 110% healing. So can anyone logically expect Dak to not heal? (Granted the potential bone infection was concerning as that can interfere with the healing process but that too is supposedly fixed).


Lastly, there's La'el Collins. This is potentially a lingering type injury with his huge mass and it being a lower joint (hip) but none of us are sure what happened with him and what was repaired. We'll have to wait on him to see how he does but theoretically he went through the process of surgery and rehab so the problem was worked on by what should be one of the nation's foremost orthopedic surgeons. What's the % chance it's not corrected?

So, all these "so&so is injured and thus washed up" posts and threads are just drama until they retire or September rolls around and we can evaluate their performances ourselves. (LVE is another ). This is just speculations and I can guarantee you none of us are inside the loop with the team, doctors, and injured players undergoing their treatments. Everyone of us are going to have to wait this out . . . ALL of us ! *sigh*


There are no cliff notes. I'm going back into my hole now ! Patience my Cowboy brothers and sisters. The Draft is nigh ! Camp can't start soon enough.

Let's Go Cowboys ! (yeah, I'm a rah-rah fan)

Intelligent post ! lol whats wrong with you ?? or how dare you do that here??
but I agree, you make good points, on all except the dak injury, to be honest I am not that familiar with the ankle,
but that thing was floppy broke , and is a moving part.

That said, with the high dollar doctors these guys get he will probably be ok, but there is some room for doubt with that type injury.

 

[conner01]

Maybe I missed it but does anyone actually know what Collins injury really was and if there was any long term risks to begin with

 

[JoeKing]

I was just responding to your post

The Cowboys, especially since McCarthy has come on board, are stingy with specific information about anything. Occasionally the Jones boys get diarrhea of the mouth with the information they should just shut up about but for the most part, they don't volunteer information. Injuries fall in this category. This causes a great deal of speculation from the media and consternation from fans by not knowing specifics on certain player's health.

You seemed to be trying to disagree without actually doing so.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

OK, I get it. The draft is coming up. We're bored especially after the "Pay the QB/ Dak's a bum" winter we all endured (which I tried with all my heart to avoid) has come to a minor interruption (for most).

Now that the crust of the draft is upon us there's other sideline drama queen (or drama king) snipets and threads all the time.

So here's a question or scenario situation to consider throughout modern pro football history: "How many players, off of all 32 teams have in season and post season surgeries"? Don't answer this because the exact number is really not that important. Can we say a substantial number? Even if it's 3 players off each team (a reasonable assumption) then that's 1% of the league. If we include arthroscopic surgeries then this number at least doubles.

Now the biggee . . . "How many of these are career ending injuries"? I'd say a micro portion of those.

Once more, an attempt to inspire logical thought processes by a series of questions:

- Why do many bring up Tyron's Smith neck injury and use his past 2-3 seasons as a measuring stick to project him missing multiple games? Hasn't his injured neck been surgically repaired which in theory has alleviated the injury that plagued him for several seasons? Lastly, how can you now say he'll miss multiple games (which he might) because he did in 2017-2020 due to the neck if it's surgically repaired? He had no other body region/part causing him problems. Think about this.


- Then comes Dak's injury. A fracture. If anything in our body repairs itself well it's our bony/skeletal structure. Especially with titanium pieces and screws placed along the fracture to maintain stability. Why then is there the drama "can Dak still play?" "Will he be as good?" "Will he be 100%?" C'mon folks, its a bony fracture. I'd venture to say over half of you have broken long bones . . . wrists, ankles, fingers. As long as you're not 80-90 years old ( a bow to our long suffering fans that were used to Cowboy excellency) and leaching calcium and phosphorus from your bones you can pretty much expect 110% healing. So can anyone logically expect Dak to not heal? (Granted the potential bone infection was concerning as that can interfere with the healing process but that too is supposedly fixed).


Lastly, there's La'el Collins. This is potentially a lingering type injury with his huge mass and it being a lower joint (hip) but none of us are sure what happened with him and what was repaired. We'll have to wait on him to see how he does but theoretically he went through the process of surgery and rehab so the problem was worked on by what should be one of the nation's foremost orthopedic surgeons. What's the % chance it's not corrected?

So, all these "so&so is injured and thus washed up" posts and threads are just drama until they retire or September rolls around and we can evaluate their performances ourselves. (LVE is another ). This is just speculations and I can guarantee you none of us are inside the loop with the team, doctors, and injured players undergoing their treatments. Everyone of us are going to have to wait this out . . . ALL of us ! *sigh*


There are no cliff notes. I'm going back into my hole now ! Patience my Cowboy brothers and sisters. The Draft is nigh ! Camp can't start soon enough.

Let's Go Cowboys ! (yeah, I'm a rah-rah fan)

Well let's just hope Smith and Collins' injuries have been healed and are ready to go once the season starts. I don't have a problem with the team keeping it under wraps to the general public as to what their condition is during offseason or camp. But i am concerned if they know what is happening and don't do much about it and find themselves again using players who don't belong on the field to replace them with. Last year, all of a sudden we hear they both will be out all year....and wham that was the beginning of the end. So forgive us if we still question their intelligence or their actions in dealing with these kind of issues. Yes, we all know nothing about what is going on....but they sure as hell better know. We are all rah rah fans.....just some of us point out the warts which some are willing to ignore or dismiss.

 

[Doomsday101]

You seemed to be trying to disagree without actually doing so.

I don't think Cowboys need to hand out information that is not required by league rules. Having said that when they have given out information on injuries based on what I see here gets blown off.

 

[75boyz]

All boils down to the owner/GM's comfort level with the medical reports. How confident is he in the risk of further injury to his OTs in their surgically repaired bodies vs. taking a corner or Pitts if available.

That's why those GMs get paid the big bucks to make those ultimate roster shaping decisions, lol.

So, will he try and further protect his QB investment with best OT available, take a highly pedigreed and graded corner or a generational TE if all available at pick 10?

Jerry's on the clock...

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Intelligent post ! lol whats wrong with you ?? or how dare you do that here??
but I agree, you make good points, on all except the dak injury, to be honest I am not that familiar with the ankle,
but that thing was floppy broke , and is a moving part.

That said, with the high dollar doctors these guys get he will probably be ok, but there is some room for doubt with that type injury.

Just some peace of mind on Dak's injury. Background is I did trauma nursing (charge nurse for 12 years) on a fairly busy regional trauma center (not a big city hospital like Parkland in Dallas or Ben Taub in H-town) but we had full time trauma services. I know how long bone injuries go. Rarely is there lasting issues if it is a clean break vs a crushing break. Put it back together and let the body do what it does. There was no indication of nerve damage or extensive soft tissue damage. The only risk was the bone exited the skin and thus a substantial infection risk, which occurred.

Second point is personal. In 1999 when I had bought my acreage in 1995 moved away for 2 years (to Maine . . . chasing a woman) and came back and needed infrastructure on the property. This is still an ongoing process. But I was building my shop and had hired a HS kid for help so was moving fast to utilize him as much as I could. About 1600 hours, 98 degrees outside, I'm hot and tired, and finishing the day I started up a fiberglass ladder (fast) with the nail gun and the ladder shot out from my step and my leg slammed into the base of a newly erected wall . . . at speed. SNAP!!!! Looked very similar to Dak's foot without the protrusion under the sock. Foot dangled, was grotesquely sideways. Of course knowing what was ahead I went in and showered (with my new wife's help) and made the 50 minute drive to my hospital. I was admitted and had surgery the next AM for a complete tibia / fibula fracture. Plates and pins were put in and I talked the doc out of a complete cast and got a walking boot after ace bandaging splints on either side of my lower leg/ankle. I'd say my break was just an inch above the ankle joint. 10 weeks later I went back to work 2 weeks early (I needed that full check at the time). No issues since. I can feel the plates and large pin through my ankle through the skin. Orthopedic surgeons are glorified carpenters in a lot of ways.

Dak should be easily 100%

 

[DandyDon52]

Just some peace of mind on Dak's injury. Background is I did trauma nursing (charge nurse for 12 years) on a fairly busy regional trauma center (not a big city hospital like Parkland in Dallas or Ben Taub in H-town) but we had full time trauma services. I know how long bone injuries go. Rarely is there lasting issues if it is a clean break vs a crushing break. Put it back together and let the body do what it does. There was no indication of nerve damage or extensive soft tissue damage. The only risk was the bone exited the skin and thus a substantial infection risk, which occurred.

Second point is personal. In 1999 when I had bought my acreage in 1995 moved away for 2 years (to Maine . . . chasing a woman) and came back and needed infrastructure on the property. This is still an ongoing process. But I was building my shop and had hired a HS kid for help so was moving fast to utilize him as much as I could. About 1600 hours, 98 degrees outside, I'm hot and tired, and finishing the day I started up a fiberglass ladder (fast) with the nail gun and the ladder shot out from my step and my leg slammed into the base of a newly erected wall . . . at speed. SNAP!!!! Looked very similar to Dak's foot without the protrusion under the sock. Foot dangled, was grotesquely sideways. Of course knowing what was ahead I went in and showered (with my new wife's help) and made the 50 minute drive to my hospital. I was admitted and had surgery the next AM for a complete tibia / fibula fracture. Plates and pins were put in and I talked the doc out of a complete cast and got a walking boot after ace bandaging splints on either side of my lower leg/ankle. I'd say my break was just an inch above the ankle joint. 10 weeks later I went back to work 2 weeks early (I needed that full check at the time). No issues since. I can feel the plates and large pin through my ankle through the skin. Orthopedic surgeons are glorified carpenters in a lot of ways.

Dak should be easily 100%

interesting post.
So dak broke his bone above the ankle joint? if so I can see where that would be better, I thought it was at the joint.
And you say you got the woman you were chasing?? congrats.
what kind of shop were you building?

 

[Typhus]

You seemed to be trying to disagree without actually doing so.

No, he is just trying to explain something to you... knock knock, hello,,, McFly...

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

interesting post.
So dak broke his bone above the ankle joint? if so I can see where that would be better, I thought it was at the joint.
And you say you got the woman you were chasing?? congrats.
what kind of shop were you building?

Just a wood frame, all CCA lumber . Part is just under roof (ATV parking and Lawnmower parking) and part enclosed with a 20' workbench and storage shelving. That one was originally 20x24 but since I've added 200 sq ft enclosed with 400 sq ft under roof with work bench and outdoor sink and cabinets to work on tractor, lawn mowers, even cars. then last year added a lean-to carport that is 16x20. Want to add more but lumber prices are outrageous right now (and raw timber at all time lows). I'm a self taught wood butcher.


My break is so close to the ankle that it is almost impossible to tell. All my surgical scars cross over the both lateral and medial malleoluses. The ankle is constructed by the Good Lord using the head of the tibia and fibula. Dak had to break at least one of these to have the bone protrude from the skin. The talus wouldn't have protruded enough to break the skin. Had to be tib or fib or both.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

interesting post.
So dak broke his bone above the ankle joint? if so I can see where that would be better, I thought it was at the joint.
And you say you got the woman you were chasing?? congrats.
what kind of shop were you building?

I had to edit my above post for visual reference.

Oh, the woman I was chasing, I caught her, hog tied her, and brought her back from Bangor, Maine to Texas. She's originally from New Brunswick, Can. We've been married 24 years, have 3 offspring and still madly in love. (crazy French/Canadian) Her only drawback is she only has passing interest in the Dallas Cowboys but I offset that with only passing interest in the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[JoeKing]

No, he is just trying to explain something to you... knock knock, hello,,, McFly...

What he said had nothing to do with what I said, Mr. Peanut Gallery.

 

[Typhus]

What he said had nothing to do with what I said, Mr. Peanut Gallery.

Says the pot calling the kettle black

 

[JoeKing]

Says the pot calling the kettle black

Another peanut gallery comment from Mr. Peanut Gallery.

 

[Typhus]

Another peanut gallery comment from Mr. Peanut Gallery.

Arent you supposed to be ignoring me...

 

[JoeKing]

Arent you supposed to be ignoring me...

Aren't you suppose to be contributing to the betterment of this conversation rather than being obsessed with me, Mr. Peanut Gallery?

 

[mrmojo]

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Just some peace of mind on Dak's injury. Background is I did trauma nursing (charge nurse for 12 years) on a fairly busy regional trauma center (not a big city hospital like Parkland in Dallas or Ben Taub in H-town) but we had full time trauma services. I know how long bone injuries go. Rarely is there lasting issues if it is a clean break vs a crushing break. Put it back together and let the body do what it does. There was no indication of nerve damage or extensive soft tissue damage. The only risk was the bone exited the skin and thus a substantial infection risk, which occurred.

Second point is personal. In 1999 when I had bought my acreage in 1995 moved away for 2 years (to Maine . . . chasing a woman) and came back and needed infrastructure on the property. This is still an ongoing process. But I was building my shop and had hired a HS kid for help so was moving fast to utilize him as much as I could. About 1600 hours, 98 degrees outside, I'm hot and tired, and finishing the day I started up a fiberglass ladder (fast) with the nail gun and the ladder shot out from my step and my leg slammed into the base of a newly erected wall . . . at speed. SNAP!!!! Looked very similar to Dak's foot without the protrusion under the sock. Foot dangled, was grotesquely sideways. Of course knowing what was ahead I went in and showered (with my new wife's help) and made the 50 minute drive to my hospital. I was admitted and had surgery the next AM for a complete tibia / fibula fracture. Plates and pins were put in and I talked the doc out of a complete cast and got a walking boot after ace bandaging splints on either side of my lower leg/ankle. I'd say my break was just an inch above the ankle joint. 10 weeks later I went back to work 2 weeks early (I needed that full check at the time). No issues since. I can feel the plates and large pin through my ankle through the skin. Orthopedic surgeons are glorified carpenters in a lot of ways.

Dak should be easily 100%

Yes but can you still run out of the pocket if you have to?

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

U
Yes but can you still run out of the pocket if you have to?

Thanks for sharing!

At 67 years old I can't run much of anywhere but I'm still pretty quick if I have to dodge a rattlesnake or such. My mobility and bone strength has not suffered. Dak will also be able to run although my fear is he won't run and running is a potentially a strong part of our timely offense.