Terrance Williams makes Mel's rookie rankings

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You're posting combine stats on OL and I don't know what I'm talking about? That's rich.

A few months ago Warford wasn't any good. Now he is good but he just wouldn't fit here. You always liked him though. Oh, and you kept your Escobar love hidden until after he was drafted.

I told you Warford would shine in the NFL and that's exactly what he's doing. He was a no brainer selection for the Cowboys. Find the people responsible for not drafting him and fire them. They are clueless.

Point to a post pre-draft where i bashed Watford. You won't find it. In the end, Callahan turned around this line from nearly worst to top 5, and your a quasi-troll on the internet. I think I'll respect his opinion about what this line need over your whining.
 

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Point to a post pre-draft where i bashed Watford. You won't find it. In the end, Callahan turned around this line from nearly worst to top 5, and your a quasi-troll on the internet. I think I'll respect his opinion about what this line need over your whining.

The same Bill Callahan that wanted Livings and Bernadeau? That guy?

You are a lap dog for the franchise. You don't have opinions. The team tells you what to think. The name fits you.
 

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So, I guess we have the answer to the question, "What will RS whine about if we develop a good online?". Well...he'll whine an out the online. How disappointing.
 

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And the Cowboys will go into the offseason with a hobbled Leary and an even older Waters at G. With complete slop backing them up. They'll need 2 players at that position.

There probably wasn't a better fit in the draft than Warford to Dallas.
 

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Warford is going to be a great player. If you liked Warmack you should like Warford. But I don't think it is entirely fair to blame a team for not drafting a guy if they did draft a reasonably good player.
 

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It's pretty funny how fans want some "proof" or claim that we have superior talent yet completely disregard the results on the field and the win - loss column.
 

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It's simply idiotic to bash a good draft class because you feel we should have taken X player at Y pick when you have no idea how X player would have performed for us.

It's simply completely stupid to say I bashed an entire draft class by saying that Warford should have been a prospect we were interested in.
How could you possibly get that out of what I said ?
 

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It's nonsense. A fan incapable of criticizing his team so he goes with the company line and pretends Warford just couldn't perform here.

The Cowboys didn't avoid a bad fit. They missed out on a good player.

Yes. That's exactly what it appears happened.
 

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Leary:
Combine Invite: Yes
Height:
6027
Weight: 315
40 Yrd Dash: 5.23
20 Yrd Dash: 3.04
10 Yrd Dash: 1.83 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 30
Vertical Jump: 29
Broad Jump: 08'08"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.91
3-Cone Drill: 7.87
Invited to 2012 NFL Combine as OT

Warford:
Combine Invite: Yes
Height:
6030
Weight: 332
40 Yrd Dash: 5.56
20 Yrd Dash: 3.14
10 Yrd Dash: 1.85 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 28
Vertical Jump: 22 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 5.10
3-Cone Drill: 7.78

Ok. I still think Warford plays as athletic or better plus weighs almost 20 pounds more.
These numbers aren't that far apart either. Wonder how one could be on our left board and the other off.
 

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Ok. I still think Warford plays as athletic or better plus weighs almost 20 pounds more.
These numbers aren't that far apart either. Wonder how one could be on our deft board and the other off.

.3 seconds in the 40 and .2 seconds in the shuttle is pretty massive.
 

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Massive. I guess. Twenty pounds is too. They chose Frederick despite a very slow forty time. He's played well.

True, but if you are going to have an "anchor" in the ZBS, it should be the center. And TFred destroyed the shuttle:

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6035
Weight: 312
40 Yrd Dash: 5.55
20 Yrd Dash: 3.14
10 Yrd Dash: 1.91 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 21
Vertical Jump: 28 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.76
3-Cone Drill: 7.81
 

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True, but if you are going to have an "anchor" in the ZBS, it should be the center. And TFred destroyed the shuttle:

Combine Invite: Yes
Height:
6035
Weight: 312
40 Yrd Dash: 5.55
20 Yrd Dash: 3.14
10 Yrd Dash: 1.91 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 21
Vertical Jump: 28 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.76
3-Cone Drill: 7.81

Ok I get your point. I'm not down on this class at all. I just wonder how Warford was not on our board.
 

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Goodness I hope we play well today.
Not sure how we got from praise for our rookie wr to a shout down about a guard we passed on.
o_O
 

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Well then you don't watch sports. I don't know what to tell you.

If you think Larry Warford couldn't shine on this OL like he's doing in Detroit now, you're just wrong. Simple as that.
Well then you don't watch sports. I don't know what to tell you.

If you think Larry Warford couldn't shine on this OL like he's doing in Detroit now, you're just wrong. Simple as that.

I've watched plenty of team sports and I've never seen a succesful team draft based on some generic definition of talent without considering how that player fits in their scheme or culture.

The Cowboys didn't think Warford fit their scheme. But the Cowboys weren't the only team to have questions about him. After all Warford was a 3rd round pick so nobody felt he was some sure fire can't miss prospect.
 

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It's also interesting that Richardson (#1) and Vaccaro (#3) were players that the Cowboys reportedly would have stayed at 18 and selected if they were still available.
 

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You're saying two different things and conflating them. You don't "judge" the decision using the result. The decision was either good or bad regardless of outcome. The outcome can be good or bad as well. And you can incorporate that result in your calculation of risk/reward in the next decision. But you didn't know what you didn't know at the time the original decision was made. You simply can't say "he shouldn't have made that decision because the results were bad."

Not conflating anything
Any process improvement has to start from matching up results with what was done and why it was done
The starting point has to be "we made a bad decision based on the results, let's figure out why or how that happened "
If you don't look at decision making in the light of the results (pretty much the definition of hindsight) how can you hope to learn and improve

I am done with this discussion because this is a very basic concept and it is quite clear to me that even though you realize you were wrong you are not willing to admit it
 

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How can you assure me of this? Do you have a link?

Any GM with half a brain would have Warford ranked above Escobar , esp in a team that has dire needs at the OL and already has 2 TEs

I think that most NFL GMs have more tha. Half a brain
 
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