Terrell McClain is not a lock for the roster

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I've heard Spagnola and Broaddus say it. I've seen it written by the DMN, FWST, and the blogosphere. I don't buy any of it.

First, the coaches deceive. Garrett has no issue misleading nor outright lying to the press. He will talk philosophy and history openly but when it comes to things like injuries, depth charts, scheme, gameplan, and opponent he is coy, dissembling and lies as a matter of course. I think of it as CIA Garrett. "We don't like to rank/compare," "it's too early to tell," "we haven't talked about/made those decisions yet," " we don't like to get into specifics," and "we think he is day to day" are all staples when those types of questions are asked. He has stuffed the injury report and he refuses to be pigeonholed by their narratives and interpretations. "I wouldn't say that," is another Garrettism.

Marinelli and Garrett also go to great lengths to create a competitive environment to keep these guys keen and attentive. That message is consistent with the press as consistency is part of the message itself. The motivational ploy of pitting man against man is done all manner of ways but a common theme is to set a role model of the guy who obeys orders unquestioningly regardless of outcome and use them as the foil for young recruits. In the press, Garrett and Marinelli like to talk up Hayden and bash Coleman and Russell. I have a feeling the last thing that they want to do is tell anyone of them they have made the team much less announce it to the press.

A few of the press core seem to get it. Ed Werder dances around questions. Clarence Hill plows on with his narrative anyway. Rowan Kavner used to get offended by it years ago.

One thing is clear to me though. They do not tell any of the media what their actual depth chart and roster strategy is. I have no idea why they think McClain is a lock. At least Hayden is the foil and Marinelli likes to gush about him.

McClain's contract is prohibitive neither way. He has $200k of dead money and a $1m contract that expires in 2016. No lock there.

On the field, McClain spends all his time with Brown and Mauer. He had that high ankle sprain last year, missed all of camp, and ended the season on IR with mediocre and out of control play in between. He struggled to change direction and get off blocks. He went to the OTAs this season and got hurt in the first week of camp again with another lower leg/high ankle injury. You don't put out HAH! tape with the trainers.

OTOH, you have Coleman and Bishop who are continuing to stack good practice after good practice.

I don't believe any of them are a lock to make the team but I do believe that they won't tell anyone they've made the team until cuts particularly with the young players. Thing is outside of groupthink I can see no justification to say that McClain has outperformed the young guys in either year much less in the now.

Personally I think Coleman is doing a hell of a job showing that he is going to be a handful for C to single block. My man Ken Bishop is strong at the poa and has developed a swim move and active hands to redirect and get off blocks following up a solid 2014. Hardy, Mincey, and both Crawfords are going to be terrors swimming over single blocks inside on passing downs. I don't think we need much more than that particularly if Russell sticks around.
 

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Coleman and Bishop are the guys I want. I just hope they're ready. Bishop is that pure 1-tech that we use in Hayden. And Coleman is that versatile 3/1 tech that we tried to use in McClain. I don't think Coleman and Bishop are quite ready, but fortunately their competition isn't all that good. I'd prefer we upgrade the position entirely, but I at least hope that Coleman and Bishop can jump McClain and Hayden soon.
 

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Coleman and Bishop are the guys I want. I just hope they're ready. Bishop is that pure 1-tech that we use in Hayden. And Coleman is that versatile 3/1 tech that we tried to use in McClain. I don't think Coleman and Bishop are quite ready, but fortunately their competition isn't all that good. I'd prefer we upgrade the position entirely, but I at least hope that Coleman and Bishop can jump McClain and Hayden soon.

Bishop played well in the regular season and the playoffs. He seems to have improved. I don't know how much more 'ready' you can be. Coleman continues to make plays day after day. They still need to continue stacking good days but if they do I think it will all work itself out.
 

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McClain's contract is prohibitive neither way. He has $200k of dead money and a $1m contract that expires in 2016. No lock there.

As I see it, Dallas understands young players get hurt less often than older players; why invest in old guys who spend more time in the training room than on the practice field.

McClain and Mincey are in trouble if the young guys (Bishop, Coleman, Gardner, Edwards, Russell, and Crawford continue to improve.
 

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I've heard Spagnola and Broaddus say it. I've seen it written by the DMN, FWST, and the blogosphere. I don't buy any of it.

First, the coaches deceive. Garrett has no issue misleading nor outright lying to the press. He will talk philosophy and history openly but when it comes to things like injuries, depth charts, scheme, gameplan, and opponent he is coy, dissembling and lies as a matter of course. I think of it as CIA Garrett. "We don't like to rank/compare," "it's too early to tell," "we haven't talked about/made those decisions yet," " we don't like to get into specifics," and "we think he is day to day" are all staples when those types of questions are asked. He has stuffed the injury report and he refuses to be pigeonholed by their narratives and interpretations. "I wouldn't say that," is another Garrettism.

Marinelli and Garrett also go to great lengths to create a competitive environment to keep these guys keen and attentive. That message is consistent with the press as consistency is part of the message itself. The motivational ploy of pitting man against man is done all manner of ways but a common theme is to set a role model of the guy who obeys orders unquestioningly regardless of outcome and use them as the foil for young recruits. In the press, Garrett and Marinelli like to talk up Hayden and bash Coleman and Russell. I have a feeling the last thing that they want to do is tell anyone of them they have made the team much less announce it to the press.

A few of the press core seem to get it. Ed Werder dances around questions. Clarence Hill plows on with his narrative anyway. Rowan Kavner used to get offended by it years ago.

One thing is clear to me though. They do not tell any of the media what their actual depth chart and roster strategy is. I have no idea why they think McClain is a lock. At least Hayden is the foil and Marinelli likes to gush about him.

McClain's contract is prohibitive neither way. He has $200k of dead money and a $1m contract that expires in 2016. No lock there.

On the field, McClain spends all his time with Brown and Mauer. He had that high ankle sprain last year, missed all of camp, and ended the season on IR with mediocre and out of control play in between. He struggled to change direction and get off blocks. He went to the OTAs this season and got hurt in the first week of camp again with another lower leg/high ankle injury. You don't put out HAH! tape with the trainers.

OTOH, you have Coleman and Bishop who are continuing to stack good practice after good practice.

I don't believe any of them are a lock to make the team but I do believe that they won't tell anyone they've made the team until cuts particularly with the young players. Thing is outside of groupthink I can see no justification to say that McClain has outperformed the young guys in either year much less in the now.

Personally I think Coleman is doing a hell of a job showing that he is going to be a handful for C to single block. My man Ken Bishop is strong at the poa and has developed a swim move and active hands to redirect and get off blocks following up a solid 2014. Hardy, Mincey, and both Crawfords are going to be terrors swimming over single blocks inside on passing downs. I don't think we need much more than that particularly if Russell sticks around.

I haven't heard Broaddus or Spagnola say that T McClain is a lock. In fact, I recall them saying the opposite on yesterday's Talkin' Cowboys/Cowboy's Break. They do say that Hayden is a lock, but they are more unsure about T McClain. You gave many reasons why he's not a lock and I agree completely. He has to get on the field and prove something or there's no reason to keep him at this point.

I think that's the point you were making, but feel free to correct me if I mis-read.

I just haven't seen anyone disagreeing with that thought anywhere.
 

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I've heard Spagnola and Broaddus say it. I've seen it written by the DMN, FWST, and the blogosphere. I don't buy any of it.

First, the coaches deceive. Garrett has no issue misleading nor outright lying to the press. He will talk philosophy and history openly but when it comes to things like injuries, depth charts, scheme, gameplan, and opponent he is coy, dissembling and lies as a matter of course. I think of it as CIA Garrett. "We don't like to rank/compare," "it's too early to tell," "we haven't talked about/made those decisions yet," " we don't like to get into specifics," and "we think he is day to day" are all staples when those types of questions are asked. He has stuffed the injury report and he refuses to be pigeonholed by their narratives and interpretations. "I wouldn't say that," is another Garrettism.

Marinelli and Garrett also go to great lengths to create a competitive environment to keep these guys keen and attentive. That message is consistent with the press as consistency is part of the message itself. The motivational ploy of pitting man against man is done all manner of ways but a common theme is to set a role model of the guy who obeys orders unquestioningly regardless of outcome and use them as the foil for young recruits. In the press, Garrett and Marinelli like to talk up Hayden and bash Coleman and Russell. I have a feeling the last thing that they want to do is tell anyone of them they have made the team much less announce it to the press.

A few of the press core seem to get it. Ed Werder dances around questions. Clarence Hill plows on with his narrative anyway. Rowan Kavner used to get offended by it years ago.

One thing is clear to me though. They do not tell any of the media what their actual depth chart and roster strategy is. I have no idea why they think McClain is a lock. At least Hayden is the foil and Marinelli likes to gush about him.

McClain's contract is prohibitive neither way. He has $200k of dead money and a $1m contract that expires in 2016. No lock there.

On the field, McClain spends all his time with Brown and Mauer. He had that high ankle sprain last year, missed all of camp, and ended the season on IR with mediocre and out of control play in between. He struggled to change direction and get off blocks. He went to the OTAs this season and got hurt in the first week of camp again with another lower leg/high ankle injury. You don't put out HAH! tape with the trainers.

OTOH, you have Coleman and Bishop who are continuing to stack good practice after good practice.

I don't believe any of them are a lock to make the team but I do believe that they won't tell anyone they've made the team until cuts particularly with the young players. Thing is outside of groupthink I can see no justification to say that McClain has outperformed the young guys in either year much less in the now.

Personally I think Coleman is doing a hell of a job showing that he is going to be a handful for C to single block. My man Ken Bishop is strong at the poa and has developed a swim move and active hands to redirect and get off blocks following up a solid 2014. Hardy, Mincey, and both Crawfords are going to be terrors swimming over single blocks inside on passing downs. I don't think we need much more than that particularly if Russell sticks around.

At the start of camp I believed that Terrell McClain was a lock and was the guy that might replace Hayden. But then he pulled up lame once again and now all bets are off. This team just can't rely on guys who are unreliable.
 

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Drafting a real nose in 2016, alas one can only dream...

*Sigh*
 

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McClain hasn't done enough in his career to lock up a CFL roster spot. Why on earth would he be a lock to make our roster? I know we don't have much else, but we are talking about the same guy who has 35 tackles and 2 sacks on 4 teams across 4 years right? He's another guy I have to scratch my head every time I read someone on here talking like he's a legit player.
 

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I haven't heard Broaddus or Spagnola say that T McClain is a lock. In fact, I recall them saying the opposite on yesterday's Talkin' Cowboys/Cowboy's Break. They do say that Hayden is a lock, but they are more unsure about T McClain. You gave many reasons why he's not a lock and I agree completely. He has to get on the field and prove something or there's no reason to keep him at this point.

I think that's the point you were making, but feel free to correct me if I mis-read.

I just haven't seen anyone disagreeing with that thought anywhere.

Yesterday, on Talking Cowboys they were asked who the DL would be. They then said it would be 8-10 guys which I agree with but then they started naming the locks and Hayden, McClain, and both Crawfords were named.
 

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Yesterday, on Talking Cowboys they were asked who the DL would be. They then said it would be 8-10 guys which I agree with but then they started naming the locks and Hayden, McClain, and both Crawfords were named.

I thought the same thing. First off, they're keeping more than 8 DL, and they're not going short on them to stockpile back-roster OLs who can't play, whether they have their swing OT on the roster yet, or not. Second off, I don't see how you bump Coleman off the roster in favor of McClain when McClain can't get himself on the field. He's playing too well right now. He's earning his shot. Bishop, too.
 

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they should have cut him at the end of last season,he is totally unreliable and one of the main reasons why we are stuck with Hayden.
 

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Yesterday, on Talking Cowboys they were asked who the DL would be. They then said it would be 8-10 guys which I agree with but then they started naming the locks and Hayden, McClain, and both Crawfords were named.

Where do they get only 8. Unless some of these guys totally go bad.ci say they keep at least 9, but as many as 11. That could be why people think McClain is a lock, if they keep 10 or 11. And still a decent player will be getting cut at that.
Almost forget about him at times because never really hear his name mentioned.
Hopefully he can show something here soon. If not I am ready to see Bishop and Coleman to step up.
I was pulling for Whaley until his injury.
 

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Yesterday, on Talking Cowboys they were asked who the DL would be. They then said it would be 8-10 guys which I agree with but then they started naming the locks and Hayden, McClain, and both Crawfords were named.

hmm. Odd. When I listened to Talkin Cowboys, I didn't hear that, but on the Break, Broaddus mentioned that there was a lot of love for McClain, but he's always hurt, Eatman followed by saying to keep Coleman and Bishop and cut either Hayden or McClain.

But fair enough. It's possible I missed it on Talkin Cowboys.
 
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