Discussion in 'Coronavirus Zone' started by ShortRound131, Jul 2, 2020.
Are people still going on about cases?
I went to both the liquor store and Lowes at lunch yesterday out in West Texas. Both stores had plainly posted mandatory masks signs on the door as you entered. At Lowes every person I saw had one on including employees. At the liquor store a guy in front of me wasn't wearing one. He'd entered the store right past the sign saying mandatory masks, grabbed his bottle and went to pay. They wouldn't check him out and told him he'd have to have a mask on. He pitched a little hissy fit and left. So he left mad and without whiskey. I felt that would suck so I wore my mask for the entire 3 minutes I was in the establishment and then exited to have refreshing whiskey drinks with no fuss and no muss.
The Anti-Maskers are a fun bunch, aren't they? The ones I see and hear around here are prime candidates to need a mask for the benefit of those that have to listen to or look at them.
I work with one and he's a real peach. He's also one of those that says this will all be over in November though. My sister in law is an infectious disease control specialist at a hospital in Coeur d'Alene and she tells me to wear a mask so I do.
A little too late tbh. Abbott was warned about opening too early and he ignored those warnings. Now it’s only made things worse.
He’s a joke of a governor and hopefully will be replaced when the time comes.
I'm not a big Abbott fan, but I think that's a little harsh. I mean it's been confusing for everyone and still nobody has the right answers. He did what he felt was best for the state and a lot of people agreed with him. In hindsight it was probably a poor decision, but I'd hazard to guess that 90% of our current elected officials have made poor decisions over the last several months. Be careful what you wish for too. Dan Patrick will be gunning for that spot and if you think Abbott is a joke well then hold my beer.
True. Easy to judge after the fact.
I’ll not get into politics here but I agree about Dan Patrick, too.
This is the best situation for second guessing in my lifetime. It was damned if you do and damned if you don't from the beginning and people are still divided on the best course to take.
The problem I have with the way Texas handled this was there was no plan to keep people adhering to the guidelines laid out by the medical people to limit the backlash. You can't just reopen and expect people to obey the rules. Hell, they were breaking them and marching on the steps of the the capitol before it was reopened. Did they really expect a bunch of 20 somethings to not celebrate reopening? Abbott said he regrets opening bars, how about having some rules in place and enforcing them?
The reopening was to restart the economy, get people back to work and that should have been positioned in unwavering terms from the beginning. If these people that don't think the rules apply to them won't do it for others' health, maybe they would for peoples' jobs. How about the right to return to work and support themselves and their families?
I have seen videos of some businesses that will not allow people to come in without wearing a mask and if someone takes off their mask while inside they are told to put the mask on or leave.
Private businesses have the right to refuse service or ask people to leave. The police do not need to stand there and monitor everyone going in and out however if someone makes a fuss and does not comply with
the businesses request (as in refusing to leave) they can have them trespassed and if they still refuse to leave they can turn it over to the cops at that time.
If there is no legal force behind a governor's order to wear face masks (and for the most part there are not) and you do not want to wear a mask...so be it. However a private business does have the right to refuse service and or trespass people if they do not want to wear a mask.
Three problems with that. One, a security guard was shot dead at a Dollar Store after telling a man's wife she had to wear a mask to enter, she went home and told him and he returned and shot the man. Two, a woman at another store in WIS asked a man to wear a mask and he walked over and wiped his nose on her shirt. Three, business owners saw that and do not want to subject their employees or themselves to people obviously wanting a confrontation, especially their female or younger employees. These people, in communities where this has been mandated, not wearing masks are openly defiant, they're don't mind some trouble.
Anyone entering a store in a community abiding by the Governor's mandate to businesses not wearing a mask is doing so as an act of protest, why should the business owner be put on the spot and by the time the event is over, what has been accomplished? An unmasked patron has spread whatever the hell is in their nose and mouth all over the space they are occupying negating the reason for the masking.
The management of these businesses has every right to call on law enforcement, prior to the act, to prevent confrontations. They have the right to ask that their employees be protected.
I asked the Chief here what he thought about that and he was 100% on that. He said our presence can keep things from getting out of hand and we'd much prefer to be there and prevent that than show up after it's already started.
I don't know where you live but where I live the good ole boys are plentiful and I've already seen them get in the faces of employees and business owners.
I do agree but where is the line drawn?
So if I have a really nice store in an exclusive part of town can I
state no entry without an N95 mask and a Rolex watch?
Yes you could. For the same reason that private clubs are legal. Where only members of the club are allowed to enter.
The line is currently drawn at discriminating based on race, religion, Age, sex, etc. that’s about it though.
Never heard of a club or eatery with a jacket and tie requirements?
But back on topic... A mask is not a high dollar item exclusive to the rich... It is closer to the old no shirt, no shoes no service signs.
What are you all doing down there in Texas? People need to smarten up so we can get this thing under control.
It's that good ole Texan spirit "I don't have to and you can't make me".
Making a mountain out of mole hill masks is just the latest in the state that left tupid off the state name. You get a good look at those imbeciles at that Alex Jones "It's a Hoax" rally? Too many of those people live down here.
The funniest thing I've seen in this forum was early on when someone asked why we can't be more like S. Koreans with the cooperation they showed when asked to comply. Hell, too many Texans can't even be like other Americans. Nothing more dangerous than being proud of being stupid.
Imagine being such a hot steaming pile of a human that you would feel the need to confront, assault, or kill someone because they asked you to do the absolute bare minimum to protect others around you. If there is anyone on this board reading this that feels that any of that behavior is justifiable, I hope you realize that you are the dumpster water of our society.
It isn't exactly "refusing service" but a real world example of this comes from casinos (which I worked at many, many moons ago). If it is a busy night and you're playing blackjack at $10 a hand and ask the host if they can get you a hotel room, he will tell you they are booked. But if another guy playing $200 a hand asks the same question, they'll find him a room.
Yes, it's discrimination but not based on a protected category like race or religion, so it's legit.
Meanwhile Florida still doesn't have one but is #3 in the nation in cases...
Ahead of Texas.
Sad it took till July to get one going.
^^^^^ X 1000
People are getting violent if you demand they wear a mask, I am sure you have seen videos on CNN of people pushing, hitting, spitting on, and even killing business employees that ask people to wear masks.
Also, the money is desperately needed for a lot of these businesses, that is why a lot of the bars on 6th street just let people do what they want. Three of them have lost their liquor license already. Of course it doesn't really matter now, Gov. Abbott has closed all bars now. Little too late, but it is what it is.