that toss to Bush

[burmafrd]

Really dumb play taking chances like that when you are winning the battle at the LOS and can just run straight LESS Risky plays right at the D.
I hope that Payton has not caught the one real flaw Landry had as a playcaller: the need to be too cute, try and trick people, when its the time to walk right up to the D and punch them in the mouth time and again. He hardly ever did that- just run the ball down the Ds throat without trying to pass or run a reverse or something like that.

 

[Cbz40]

I agree....Mr Payton got a liitle cute w/that call. His D saved his butt on that one.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

That was a bad play, at the time; however it plays to the strengths of Bushs' game.

Bush was looking downfield, and the Saints got lucky in that situation.

 

[superpunk]

That and three straight pass plays.

But, ooooh, I want aggressive playcalling! Bull. When it works, three straight runs is an aggressive playcall. When three straight passes doesn't work, you're just an idiot. Either way, execution by the players is once again absolved under the warm blanket of "playcalling".

 

[Biggems]

i thought it was a dumb play....and too fancy....but that is what got the Saints this far....

we criticize Parcells and the bunch for being too conservative.....hell Reid was conservative by punting at the end...

Even if I thought it was a stupid move, I must commend Payton for displaying to the world his large set of brass fortitude....But then again, wouldn't we all have a set of brass fortitude if we had the weapons he has on offense?


IMO, I would have just given it to Deuce to run up the gut...cause the Deuce was loose last night in the swamp

 

[jimmy40]

Really dumb play taking chances like that when you are winning the battle at the LOS and can just run straight LESS Risky plays right at the D.

You mean like that stupid Aikman to Harper pass right?

 

[dbair1967]

You mean like that stupid Aikman to Harper pass right?

:laugh2:

David

 

[theebs]

It looked like poor execution to me.

THe play was fine, gettting bush in space is their best weapon.

Bush didnt catch it, cant blame anyone but bush for that.

Meanwhile terrance copper makes a terrific play to cover it up.

 

[burmafrd]

Point is that it was a NEEDLESS risk when they were pounding it like that.
There was no REASON to take a risk.

 

[Ashwynn]

You guys probably did not realize what that was when you saw it. Its called 'aggressive' playcalling. Its called going for the kill. stomping on them when there down and all that. Stuff we dont do in dallas.

Sean had a good game plan as usual. Hes also moving on. Hes going to a championship game. And you guys question his call. I am thinking some pple just ***** to hear themselves at this point. I would love Dallas to have this kind of attititude. Betcha real Saints fans arent complaining about that call.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Betcha real Saints fans arent complaining about that call.

How much ?

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14477

 

[burmafrd]

Its a play that makes you a hero when it works and a bum when it doesn't. THE POINT is that there was no NEED to do that= no NEED to toss the ball out there like that- if you are going to do that then pass. Which of coarse he had done earlier and got 3 straight incompletions. BOTTOM LINE: it was a risk that did not need to be taken.

 

[TEK2000]

I disagree Theebs. A play like that is just way more risky than just a regular handoff... just like it did, missing the pitch could easily turn into a turnover. And the Eagles recovered that pitch play... Copper recovered Bush's earlier fumble.

The Cowboys throwing it on 3rd down at the end of the Seattle game was risky too. If the ball is tipped or if Romo makes a bad throw/poor decision and its intercepted, we don't get a chance to kick the field goal there.

 

[TEK2000]

You guys probably did not realize what that was when you saw it. Its called 'aggressive' playcalling. Its called going for the kill. stomping on them when there down and all that. Stuff we dont do in dallas.

Sean had a good game plan as usual. Hes also moving on. Hes going to a championship game. And you guys question his call. I am thinking some pple just ***** to hear themselves at this point. I would love Dallas to have this kind of attititude. Betcha real Saints fans arent complaining about that call.

What kind of playcall would it have been had the Saints defense not stopped the Eagles there and allowed them to get a Field Goal to tie the game?

You bet your butt that the media would be all over Payton about why he is calling a play like that when you have the lead and all you've gotta do is protect the ball and keep the clock running. They were crushing the Eagles with their running game.. there was absolutely no reason for them to get cute there.

 

[Doomsday]

That and three straight pass plays.

But, ooooh, I want aggressive playcalling! Bull. When it works, three straight runs is an aggressive playcall. When three straight passes doesn't work, you're just an idiot. Either way, execution by the players is once again absolved under the warm blanket of "playcalling".

 

[chinch]

Really dumb play taking chances like that when you are winning the battle at the LOS and can just run straight LESS Risky plays right at the D.
I hope that Payton has not caught the one real flaw Landry had as a playcaller: the need to be too cute, try and trick people, when its the time to walk right up to the D and punch them in the mouth time and again. He hardly ever did that- just run the ball down the Ds throat without trying to pass or run a reverse or something like that.

how about the 3 straight passes (all incomplete or sacks) the series before.

imagine if tuna did that stuff and JJ fumbled.

Payton was relieved of duties in NY for inept playcalling and too large a playbook where the defense eventually knew from video almost the exact play they'd run based on a formation

 

[theebs]

I disagree Theebs. A play like that is just way more risky than just a regular handoff... just like it did, missing the pitch could easily turn into a turnover. And the Eagles recovered that pitch play... Copper recovered Bush's earlier fumble.

The Cowboys throwing it on 3rd down at the end of the Seattle game was risky too. If the ball is tipped or if Romo makes a bad throw/poor decision and its intercepted, we don't get a chance to kick the field goal there.

I hear ya, and I understand

However this is january. You have to be aggressive. You cant play scared.

as a coach you have to be able to call any play in the book.

As far as risky goes, to me the saints needed to score again, I dont think you can play to run out the clock at that point.

In terms of risky, that would be super low to me, risky would be throwing to a deep wr, or going 5 wide and leaving your qb xposed.

It really was not a risky play to me. If bush catches that like he should and goes 15 yards for a first down and they eventually score, that would have been looked at as a catalytic play.

Bush didnt catch it. Poor execution, bash the coaches time.

Its january. YOu cant play not to lose, you have to be aggressive and attack especially when the game was in the balance. They needed points and they were running their offense to its best abiitities there.

Maybe I am wrong. I dont know, I just dont see that play as risky.
Especially when philly ran it on the next series to westbrook, fb fake dive toss to westbrook running left, westbrook caught it and will smith got sucked in and westbrook made a big play.

execution is everything.

 

[gbrittain]

Ahh...so we have digressed to knocking a first year coach who took a 3-13 team to at least the NFC championship game his first year.

All in the name of building Bill Parcells up. If BP would do something really good here in Dallas he would not need to be propped up.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It looked like poor execution to me.

THe play was fine, gettting bush in space is their best weapon.

Bush didnt catch it, cant blame anyone but bush for that.

Exactly. If Bush catches a toss right in his hands, no one says anything.

But to some, The Golden Child is completely infallible. It is amazing.

 

[burmafrd]

Some people here just don't get it. The Saints were using deuce and pounding it out and the birds could not stop them. WHY NOT WAIT untill they did before trying to get cute? And a toss like that IS a risky play- NO MATTER what time of year you do it in. Timing has to be perfect and there is less margin for error there then in a short passing play.