The 4-year plan

[DandyDon52]

According the the leagues website, the Pats still have 7 picks in this years draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:ne

Well they swapped picks in the deals, as you see they dont have a 1 or 2, and all but 2 of the others they got from other teams.
So they will do some drafting but didnt care to keep the top ones. They chose to get vets from other teams in trades.

A different approach than what cowboys are doing.

 

[Silver N Blue]

RG3 thought he knew everything and tried to tell the coaches how to build the gameplan after one decent season. In reality he was basically a gimmick QB that defensive coordinators caught up with. Dak is a way better student of the game, much more adept as a pocket passer and doesn't think he knows more than the coaches. Only fluke injuries could derail his career.

Decent? His rookie year mirrored Dak's. Stats, wins, playoffs. The skins had their "foundation" a star QB, a young stud RB, better than average offensive talent...yeah going to have to disagree there..that organization was the talk of the entire NFL at the time. Dak benefited from a great supporting cast and excelled. There is no guarantee he will continue to build on the success he had in his rookie year. There is no guarantee he won't be the next great QB. My point is every skin fan and 99.9% of NFL writers were pretty much "guaranteeing" the skins would rule the east, RGIII was the next great QB, and this was the team others would aspire to be. For me and Dak...I'm just tapping the breaks with talk of being elite.

 

[visionary]

If this is the chosen path, then this is the plan. If Romo was the QB, then this would not be the plan.

Develop for the long haul versus here and now.

I think they could do both, but if this is the decision, then let's execute the plan accordingly.

It is a well known phenomenon known as "the battered wife syndrome"

Look it up buddy

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Decent? His rookie year mirrored Dak's. Stats, wins, playoffs. The skins had their "foundation" a star QB, a young stud RB, better than average offensive talent...yeah going to have to disagree there..that organization was the talk of the entire NFL at the time. Dak benefited from a great supporting cast and excelled. There is no guarantee he will continue to build on the success he had in his rookie year. There is no guarantee he won't be the next great QB. My point is every skin fan and 99.9% of NFL writers were pretty much "guaranteeing" the skins would rule the east, RGIII was the next great QB, and this was the team others would aspire to be. For me and Dak...I'm just tapping the breaks with talk of being elite.

I'll concede that it was better than a "decent" rookie year. My point was more that 1. He got a big head and stopped responding to coaching and 2. The offense was gimmicky and defenses caught up to it by his second season. Like comparing apples and oranges. From afar they might appear the same or similar, but the closer you get the more you realize there is very little in common between the two.

I don't know if Dak will ever be truly elite. But he has a better chance than RGIII ever did if only because he has a better attitude.

 

[DFWJC]

great, now the 20 year plan turns into the 24 year plan which will go on to the 30 year plan. Score. Boy did we fool the NFL. "yea NFL, we are ramping up for the long long long long long haul, youd figure by now we would hit, but nope, jokes on you suckers, we know how to do it right and another 10 years from now you all be jealous"

 

[jwooten15]

The key is before 4 years, not in 4 years. In 4 years, Dak will demand a huge contract. These next 3 seasons we get top QB play without top QB pay. If there was ever a time to restructure and load up on defensive talent it is now. It's not just Dak. In 4 years, the O line will be very expensive as well. We'll also be a year away from a Zeke decision.

Now is the time. We maintained the balling on a budget, bargain-bin free agent shopping this year, but hopefully they see the light and take advantage of this rare window of Dak playing under his rookie (4th round) deal.

100% accurate. We shouldn't be looking to win 4 years down the road. That's when the money will catch up to us. Paying Dak chump change for the next 3 years is the prime window to try to "buy a championship". Front-loaded, 2-3 year contracts - and if they don't work out, they're off the books by Dak's payday.

 

[LocimusPrime]

100% accurate. We shouldn't be looking to win 4 years down the road. That's when the money will catch up to us. Paying Dak chump change for the next 3 years is the prime window to try to "buy a championship". Front-loaded, 2-3 year contracts - and if they don't work out, they're off the books by Dak's payday.

I'm all about buying a championship. Let's do it. We need to strike now

 

[TheHerd]

I hate the term "buying a championship." There is a certain amount of money to be spent and it's ridiculous to eliminate one source of talent as the FO seems to have done.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I'll concede that it was better than a "decent" rookie year. My point was more that 1. He got a big head and stopped responding to coaching and 2. The offense was gimmicky and defenses caught up to it by his second season. Like comparing apples and oranges. From afar they might appear the same or similar, but the closer you get the more you realize there is very little in common between the two.

I don't know if Dak will ever be truly elite. But he has a better chance than RGIII ever did if only because he has a better attitude.

You're getting to far into the weeds with this and missing my point. I don't care what transpired with RGIII and the skins. My point is many were "guaranteeing greatness" after his rookie year. My point with Dak using RGIII's rookie year and proclaimations thereafter is maybe we should tap the brakes a bit on guaranteeing greatness for Dak so soon. There are no guarantees we will wake up in the morning let alone what type of season or talent Dak will become. Sometimes just sitting back and watching what becomes is greater than anticipating greatness or failure. Anyways love the Pelleur pic but I have some burgers to flip.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

You're getting to far into the weeds with this and missing my point. I don't care what transpired with RGIII and the skins. My point is many were "guaranteeing greatness" after his rookie year. My point with Dak using RGIII's rookie year and proclaimations thereafter is maybe we should tap the brakes a bit on guaranteeing greatness for Dak so soon. There are no guarantees we will wake up in the morning let alone what type of season or talent Dak will become. Sometimes just sitting back and watching what becomes is greater than anticipating greatness or failure. Anyways love the Pelleur pic but I have some burgers to flip.

I don't know who is guaranteeing greatness. Expecting based on the information you have on hand is different from guaranteeing. Nothing is a guarantee in life. I just hate the RGIII comparisons because they aren't relevant.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I don't know who is guaranteeing greatness. Expecting based on the information you have on hand is different from guaranteeing. Nothing is a guarantee in life. I just hate the RGIII comparisons because they aren't relevant.

They actually are relevant.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

They actually are relevant.

Different player, different playing style, different team, different attitude. But other than that, the same.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Different player, different playing style, different team, different attitude. But other than that, the same.

If only you could understand the point. Has nothing to do with any of that. Only what everyone was guaranteeing directly after the season. They were guaranteeing greatness based on his rookie year. You are trying to compare the player and a team to nothing my point has to do with.

 

[ShiningStar]

13-3 is mediocrity? Just checkin'. I think the management by the front office has been a lot better. Let's keep it real. We get a different ruling on the Dez catch or the Brice penalty--both being followed up by fixes in league policy--and we are on the door step of the Super Bowl.



I thought if anything they might make him renegotiate (downward) this next year's base salary (which was 8mil). I still haven't seen the exact details of the new deal, but it's a bit of a head-scratcher.

yes lets keep it real, how has Garretts record as HC been?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GarrJa0.htm

very mediocre .


i agree on the witten deal with you. i would have gone that route too.

 

[ShiningStar]

I hate the term "buying a championship." There is a certain amount of money to be spent and it's ridiculous to eliminate one source of talent as the FO seems to have done.

does the league fine you if you dont buy?

 

[erod]

Different player, different playing style, different team, different attitude. But other than that, the same.

The comparison is relevant from a historical perspective. We've seen many flashes in the pan, and most rookie QBs don't inherit a virtually perfect offensive personnel group like this. (They usually get drafted high by awful teams, or they get drafted later as backups only.)

RG3, Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, Jake Plummer, David Carr, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart...

All those guys had good starts to their careers, but petered out quickly.

Even Andrew Luck has had ups and downs, and he was supposed to be the sure-fire done deal. Guys like him, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Blake Bortles, etc, didn't inherit offenses this good.

Dak is very promising, but so have been others.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The comparison is relevant from a historical perspective. We've seen many flashes in the pan, and most rookie QBs don't inherit a virtually perfect offensive personnel group like this. (They usually get drafted high by awful teams, or they get drafted later as backups only.)

RG3, Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, Jake Plummer, David Carr, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart,

All those guys had good starts to their careers, but petered out quickly.

Even Andrew Luck has had ups and downs, and he was supposed to be the sure-fire done deal. Guys like him, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Blake Bortles, etc, didn't inherit offenses this good.

Dak is very promising, but so have been others.

None of those QBs had a setup like Dak with all-pros up front and in the backfield and a strong group of receivers. Plummer was the closest and he actually had a pretty good career. Freeman had no motivation, we already talked about RGIII, Young is dumber than a box of rocks, Carr got the hell beat out of him thanks to a crap O-line. Grossman and Leinart never looked that good. In fact, none of them looked as good as Dak, with RGIII coming the closest, but we've already discussed why he's a poor comparison.

Dak's accuracy and his ability to naturally find holes in defenses is rare. His work ethic is just as good. I don't see this guy falling off a cliff like many of the others because of those traits. He'll have some adversity at some point and some growing pains, no doubt. But he's as legit as they make them.

 

[Scotman]

What Dak and RG3 have in common are amazing rookie years. Sure, we can dissect RG3's demise based on what we watched happen. It's easy to see what wasn't so clear after his rookie year. That's my fear for Dak. Is there something that should have been obvious that we will be discussing a few years from now? I don't think so. I hope not.

I also agree that the iron is hot right now. I think we need to have a 4 year plan...it makes sense. But I sure as heck hope there is a 1 year plan to get to the Superbowl. We are as close as anyone else is in March. We've got some great pieces to build around. You are a play maker or two from becoming solid on defense.

I want to win a Superbowl this year. AND in four years. And all the ones in between.

 

[erod]

None of those QBs had a setup like Dak with all-pros up front and in the backfield and a strong group of receivers. Plummer was the closest and he actually had a pretty good career. Freeman had no motivation, we already talked about RGIII, Young is dumber than a box of rocks, Carr got the hell beat out of him thanks to a crap O-line. Grossman and Leinart never looked that good. In fact, none of them looked as good as Dak, with RGIII coming the closest, but we've already discussed why he's a poor comparison.

Dak's accuracy and his ability to naturally find holes in defenses is rare. His work ethic is just as good. I don't see this guy falling off a cliff like many of the others because of those traits. He'll have some adversity at some point and some growing pains, no doubt. But he's as legit as they make them.

Work ethic, leadership, attitude, humility.....I agree.

Accuracy isn't his strength, however. Linehan called a perfect game for him to limit what he needed to do. We'll see how long it takes him to really understand the game from the pocket, where he struggled mightily at times. There's no short cut to this.

 

[ShiningStar]

Work ethic, leadership, attitude, humility.....I agree.

Accuracy isn't his strength, however. Linehan called a perfect game for him to limit what he needed to do. We'll see how long it takes him to really understand the game from the pocket, where he struggled mightily at times. There's no short cut to this.

i hope Dallas doesnt take any and builds a better player.