The consequences of the 2024 off-season

[Diehardblues]

Jethro continues or his goal is to remain relative enough he can sell it. He can’t sell 5-12 and hope for next season and beyond.

And he doesn’t have ability to build from scratch. It’s why he hangs on to his stars too long normally . And continues to over pay Dak and others. He feels with that core of stars he can maintain which keeps most fans engulfed hoping this could be the year.

And it’s enough for him to hype he might have drafted or brought in enough support to break thru. It’s a very vicious cycle we have basically been in for most of last 3 decades. Especially since Parcells and Romo and I’d argue has continued with Dak. It’s why these two QB’s being less than Elite have enabled him to carry on his ways without down turning overall interest and revenue.

Unfortunately it’s not going to return the results we are all looking for. Instead we are stuck in this perpetual motion of mediocrity never reaching the pinnacle nor hitting rock bottom which is usually needed to bring the absolute changes necessary.

 

[Diehardblues]

Again, in retrospect it didn't matter and ended up a good move because they didn't spend extra money on a season that ended up doomed without Dak.

It appears that Stephen could see into the future and knew it would be a doomed season. That's impressive!

We were 3-5 with Dak. The season likely could have been doomed with him.

Maybe that’s what’s needed to bring the change ultimately needed , hitting rock bottom. This perpetual motion of relative mediocrity is numbing for fans while financially rewarding to Cowboys.

 

[xwalker]

My main problem with the 2024 off-season wasn’t about any one particular player we didn’t sign in free agency.

My biggest problem was our GM apparently not having an understanding of where this organization was in 2024 and needed to position itself in the future.

Jerry is a great salesman and businessman. As a strategic manager of an NFL roster and the cap he’s not good at all. The 2024 off-season is a prime example of that.

In reality, it is difficult to change coaching staffs for teams that make the playoffs.

Stephen then had a year to consider other options. The concept that McCarthy their offer is non-sense.

Stephen was not going to keep McCarthy. The media bought into Jerry's ramblings.

2024 Season Playoffs
There is very little time to make a decision and most coaches have already signed with non-playoff teams. Losing teams that know they are going to fire their staff usually start that process before the final regular season game.

It's the reason they ended up with that knucklehead d-coordinator for McCarthy's first season. It was just too late in the process and all options had dried up (taken other jobs).

 

[BlindFaith]

I have never seen a stranger buildup to a season than our FO had in 2024. And the reverberations continue today.

Last off-season was a complete kamikaze mission where the FO sat on their hands while losing key personnel, way overpaid for their QB with a growing injury history, wasted months not signing their star WR they KNEW they were going to sign. All the while keeping a lame duck HC who captained the worst home playoff loss in team history….because the richest owner in sports is too cheap to not pay off the last year of his HCs contract.

Before the flak comes flying, let me explain why this matters now: The consequences of those horrible decisions take more than a year to recover from.

What are those “bad decisions” where the consequences still remain?

• Keeping Mike McCarthy after that embarrassing home playoff loss to GB. Jerry should have fired him immediately and recognized that 2024 would be a reset/rebuild. Should have hired a new HC and we would already have a head start on 2025 with a new staff we have a year with.
• By not firing McCarthy, the team was faced with a season with a lame duck HC with an expiring contract. That almost never works in the NFL. We saw this bad decision with keeping Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett one more year because of their contracts not being “up” yet. Just stupid.
• Using 4th round picks to acquire Trey Lance in 2023, and Jonathan Mingo in 2024 were big setbacks to the 2024 and 2025 drafts. When we needed a RB it would have helped to have those 4th round picks.
• The Mike Zimmer Experiment failed, making our young defensive players in 2025 have their third DC in 5 seasons. Now they have to learn from the 4th DC we’ve had since 2020.
• If 2024 was supposed to be a reset for the cap, why did they resign Dak for a ridiculously over priced contract? Why keep a decent but aging QB who has struggled in bigger games? The list of QBs who get better as they age is very short.
• The 2024 season could have been a well designed plan to tank in 2024, and rebuild, get a better 2025 draft position, maybe even angle for the #1 pick in 2026 for the Arch Manning sweepstakes, or some other young emerging QB.

By throwing away what 2024 could have been, it sets you back at least a couple of years because you cannot completely replenish your roster only with draft picks. This organization has made it crystal clear they will not commit much cap space on free agents. Yes they have made some trades and a few low rent FA signings.

So when I take off the blue colored fan glasses, it’s hard to look at this team, now helmed by a first year head coach who according to Ian Rappoport, is one of the 3 lowest paid HCs in the NFL (His salary as far as I can tell is not public yet) and a roster that still has huge holes at DT, RB and perhaps others.

Does it mean 2025 is already a bust? No. It can be a year of major improvement. But to make the playoffs and make some noise while in it will require a major help from Lady Luck and the good ol’ policy of “Hope as a strategy.”

The 2025 season can still be lots of fun. But the really bad decisions of 2024 may slow this team’s development.

Solid post Bob

 

[noshame]

McCarthy should have been fired after his first season along with his marvelous defensive coordinator.
The only reason Mike/Dak survived through his contract was because the NFC east was the biggest dumpster fire in history.

Period
I honestly thought Jerry was going to let Dak play out his contract and then be in position to draft a stud quarterback, but I should have known better.
Jerry's stupidity knows no bounds.
We'll see him exercise it again with Parsons, no doubt

 

[blueblood70]

I don't think he ever does it on purpose. I think Jerry always believes that he personally has done enough for this team to win Super Bowls. While the injuries were certainly a big factor last year, they masked another season where the front office didn't do enough to boost us to the level of the Super Bowl contenders. You mentioned the running game. Every fan knew it wasn't good enough. Jerry and Stephen, though, had devalued running backs and still seem to be doing it despite what we saw from Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry last year.

Well, that's the thing though, the man has confidants he has people like Will Mcclay and a dozen others that are helping him the coaching staff other scouts and they're all coming to the consensus at least giving him the appearance that these are good moves.

I Realize it comes down to this, but Steven Jones and Will Mcclay are advising him and apparently this is where it's ending up,​

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I know he makes the final decisions but he's also getting advice apparently maybe he needs to make the moves there if he's unwilling to give up the GM title, then he should get a new Will Mcclay.​

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You know I believe most GM's have an assistant GM, I don't know what they call them, but he needs one of those and maybe that's where the change needs to be because the comfort level there with his son, his daughters, and someone that's been working for him for over 20 years in Will Mcclay, maybe that's where the change needs to be, because he's not going to give up the title..​

Yes, it's very confusing not that he didn't get a Barkley or a Henry, look I think everybody's waiting for Derrick Henry to fall off a Cliff, the man's up in age, He did not help the Titans get to a Super Bowl , they did lose at AFC championship game, and then he goes to the Ravens and you're thinking Oh yeah the Ravens the year before went to an AFC championship game he should push them over the top and it did not..


I can't fault the Cowboys for not wanting to pay an aging running back...

However it is very confusing that he did not draft a running back in the first 3 rounds in two straight drafts, that's concerning ,it's one thing not to want to pay an older free agent, I fully get that, I don't blame him for that and Derrick Henry did not help the Ravens how the hell you think he would have helped us? !​

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I don't think he would have wanted to stay around this season had we had him and experienced that bad season last year because he's not helping us last year.​

I do understand the frustration with him not going and getting a better running back in two straight drafts, which he's never done ,

that he's always had a guy like Smith, Murray, and Ezekiel Elliott, and even Pollard, And before that even some guys like Marion Barber...​

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I mean at least had a shot at being a full-time starter and now all of a sudden two straight years he's trying to find his gems thinking running backs can be found late and maybe that's possible but last year doing nothing,​

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I am shocked this year we didn't draft it running back in the first 3 rounds I absolutely thought that was going to happen.​

 

[Corso]

I have never seen a stranger buildup to a season than our FO had in 2024. And the reverberations continue today.

Last off-season was a complete kamikaze mission where the FO sat on their hands while losing key personnel, way overpaid for their QB with a growing injury history, wasted months not signing their star WR they KNEW they were going to sign. All the while keeping a lame duck HC who captained the worst home playoff loss in team history….because the richest owner in sports is too cheap to not pay off the last year of his HCs contract.

Before the flak comes flying, let me explain why this matters now: The consequences of those horrible decisions take more than a year to recover from.

What are those “bad decisions” where the consequences still remain?

• Keeping Mike McCarthy after that embarrassing home playoff loss to GB. Jerry should have fired him immediately and recognized that 2024 would be a reset/rebuild. Should have hired a new HC and we would already have a head start on 2025 with a new staff we have a year with.
• By not firing McCarthy, the team was faced with a season with a lame duck HC with an expiring contract. That almost never works in the NFL. We saw this bad decision with keeping Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett one more year because of their contracts not being “up” yet. Just stupid.
• Using 4th round picks to acquire Trey Lance in 2023, and Jonathan Mingo in 2024 were big setbacks to the 2024 and 2025 drafts. When we needed a RB it would have helped to have those 4th round picks.
• The Mike Zimmer Experiment failed, making our young defensive players in 2025 have their third DC in 5 seasons. Now they have to learn from the 4th DC we’ve had since 2020.
• If 2024 was supposed to be a reset for the cap, why did they resign Dak for a ridiculously over priced contract? Why keep a decent but aging QB who has struggled in bigger games? The list of QBs who get better as they age is very short.
• The 2024 season could have been a well designed plan to tank in 2024, and rebuild, get a better 2025 draft position, maybe even angle for the #1 pick in 2026 for the Arch Manning sweepstakes, or some other young emerging QB.

By throwing away what 2024 could have been, it sets you back at least a couple of years because you cannot completely replenish your roster only with draft picks. This organization has made it crystal clear they will not commit much cap space on free agents. Yes they have made some trades and a few low rent FA signings.

So when I take off the blue colored fan glasses, it’s hard to look at this team, now helmed by a first year head coach who according to Ian Rappoport, is one of the 3 lowest paid HCs in the NFL (His salary as far as I can tell is not public yet) and a roster that still has huge holes at DT, RB and perhaps others.

Does it mean 2025 is already a bust? No. It can be a year of major improvement. But to make the playoffs and make some noise while in it will require a major help from Lady Luck and the good ol’ policy of “Hope as a strategy.”

The 2025 season can still be lots of fun. But the really bad decisions of 2024 may slow this team’s development.

One minor quibble.
Jerry is nowhere near the richest owner in sports.
The owner of the Clippers alone is much more wealthy than Jerry.

 

[gimmesix]

Well, that's the thing though, the man has confidants he has people like Will Mcclay and a dozen others that are helping him the coaching staff other scouts and they're all coming to the consensus at least giving him the appearance that these are good moves.

I Realize it comes down to this, but Steven Jones and Will Mcclay are advising him and apparently this is where it's ending up,​

​

I know he makes the final decisions but he's also getting advice apparently maybe he needs to make the moves there if he's unwilling to give up the GM title, then he should get a new Will Mcclay.​

​

You know I believe most GM's have an assistant GM, I don't know what they call them, but he needs one of those and maybe that's where the change needs to be because the comfort level there with his son, his daughters, and someone that's been working for him for over 20 years in Will Mcclay, maybe that's where the change needs to be, because he's not going to give up the title..​

Jerry and Stephen, though, have put the handcuffs on what McClay, the pro scouts and coaches can do, though. If you know you have just $3 million to spend on a running back, you know you are limited in your ability to shop. You can bring back and Ezekiel Elliott, because of his poor averages, but can't get a Derrick Henry.

I absolutely do not believe the Joneses are doing most of the shopping for players (and probably didn't even know who some of the players we got were), but they are the ones with the philosophy that costly free agency doesn't pay off just because when Jerry was indiscriminate with salaries they made some poor choices on how to spend it.

 

[blueblood70]

Jerry and Stephen, though, have put the handcuffs on what McClay, the pro scouts and coaches can do, though. If you know you have just $3 million to spend on a running back, you know you are limited in your ability to shop. You can bring back and Ezekiel Elliott, because of his poor averages, but can't get a Derrick Henry.

I absolutely do not believe the Joneses are doing most of the shopping for players (and probably didn't even know who some of the players we got were), but they are the ones with the philosophy that costly free agency doesn't pay off just because when Jerry was indiscriminate with salaries they made some poor choices on how to spend it.

Look I'm not reading past your first line, because I'm not going to agree with any of it,

except for the fact that you think that, but you don't know that. we have no proof so I'm not going to sit here and have a conversation about something nobody knows the truth to.....

Will Mcclay has been around 20 years you say the handcuffs are on him and I'm telling you don't know what's going on maybe he's just not that good of an assistant GM and Jerry could use a new voice in there a new perspective he's just unwilling to do it because of comfort but I'm telling you that alone could fix that hire the best assistant GM you can find on another team with a great GM steel their GM away and make him assistant GM with a higher title.....

 

[deerhunter11]

I have never seen a stranger buildup to a season than our FO had in 2024. And the reverberations continue today.

Last off-season was a complete kamikaze mission where the FO sat on their hands while losing key personnel, way overpaid for their QB with a growing injury history, wasted months not signing their star WR they KNEW they were going to sign. All the while keeping a lame duck HC who captained the worst home playoff loss in team history….because the richest owner in sports is too cheap to not pay off the last year of his HCs contract.

Before the flak comes flying, let me explain why this matters now: The consequences of those horrible decisions take more than a year to recover from.

What are those “bad decisions” where the consequences still remain?

• Keeping Mike McCarthy after that embarrassing home playoff loss to GB. Jerry should have fired him immediately and recognized that 2024 would be a reset/rebuild. Should have hired a new HC and we would already have a head start on 2025 with a new staff we have a year with.
• By not firing McCarthy, the team was faced with a season with a lame duck HC with an expiring contract. That almost never works in the NFL. We saw this bad decision with keeping Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett one more year because of their contracts not being “up” yet. Just stupid.
• Using 4th round picks to acquire Trey Lance in 2023, and Jonathan Mingo in 2024 were big setbacks to the 2024 and 2025 drafts. When we needed a RB it would have helped to have those 4th round picks.
• The Mike Zimmer Experiment failed, making our young defensive players in 2025 have their third DC in 5 seasons. Now they have to learn from the 4th DC we’ve had since 2020.
• If 2024 was supposed to be a reset for the cap, why did they resign Dak for a ridiculously over priced contract? Why keep a decent but aging QB who has struggled in bigger games? The list of QBs who get better as they age is very short.
• The 2024 season could have been a well designed plan to tank in 2024, and rebuild, get a better 2025 draft position, maybe even angle for the #1 pick in 2026 for the Arch Manning sweepstakes, or some other young emerging QB.

By throwing away what 2024 could have been, it sets you back at least a couple of years because you cannot completely replenish your roster only with draft picks. This organization has made it crystal clear they will not commit much cap space on free agents. Yes they have made some trades and a few low rent FA signings.

So when I take off the blue colored fan glasses, it’s hard to look at this team, now helmed by a first year head coach who according to Ian Rappoport, is one of the 3 lowest paid HCs in the NFL (His salary as far as I can tell is not public yet) and a roster that still has huge holes at DT, RB and perhaps others.

Does it mean 2025 is already a bust? No. It can be a year of major improvement. But to make the playoffs and make some noise while in it will require a major help from Lady Luck and the good ol’ policy of “Hope as a strategy.”

The 2025 season can still be lots of fun. But the really bad decisions of 2024 may slow this team’s development.

Good Post Bob nothin but the truth, I call it The Jerry Effect things like this happen from time to time with Ol Jerry.I have found myself shaking my head in disbelief ALOT over the years, and don't look now but he is at it again with the Parsons contract bigtop circus.I have tried to figure it out but I myself can not.

 

[Havic]

This is the delusion of ownership. They either really believe we are so stacked we can sign a bunch of cheap fa's and have success, or blatant incompetence. We can take it a step further with Shotty. That guy was on absolutely no ones short or long list of head coaching candidates, but here we are with him leading Dallas. Jerry has become cheap in his final years, guess it takes a lot of $$ to operate that yacht.

 

[zrinkill]

Great thread

But it could have just as well be named

The consequences of Jerry Jones for 30+ years.​

 

[Rockport]

I sincerely hope Schottenheimer works out. But here’s a few interesting points about Schotty and also how difficult it is for a first year NFL head coach:

• Brian Schottenheimer is one of the the 2 lowest paid head coaches in the NFL along with Cleveland's Kevin Stafanski.
• In a league where there is no salary cap on coaches, the richest owner in the league could money whip many of the better coaches to come here. Yet he chooses to low ball hire his HCs.
• Based on NFL historical data, the success rate for rookie head coaches making the playoffs in their first season is about 25%.

Well he’s a rookie HC and just like rookie players they don’t get paid much. As one of my favorite QB’s once said, it’s a meritocracy.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

• If 2024 was supposed to be a reset for the cap, why did they resign Dak for a ridiculously over priced contract? Why keep a decent but aging QB who has struggled in bigger games? The list of QBs who get better as they age is very short.

Dak's previous contract had been restructured several times, pushing out the cap hit. Had Dallas not resigned Dak, Dallas would have been facing massive dead money. Jerry felt trapped, and one mistake led to another.

I suspect even Jerry realized that Dak had declined, but it was too late. All those restructurings were done with the plan to resign Dak. Dak was holding all the cards because of the potential dead money charge, so he was able to negotiate his massive but undeserved deal.

Jerry was the only GM in football that would have made Dak the highest paid player in the NFL.

 

[deerhunter11]

In short.

Jerry purposely didnt fire Mike after that GB game and gave him nothing to work with.

Jerry is a petulant child. The fans are not his concern.

I can't figure the feller out it is kinda like this ,Dallas has to try to win despite a very shaky GM performance .I am going to enjoy this season looks like Will McClay has been left alone to do his job for a change , it has been a good off season.I think this is a good football team.But bone headed decisions hurt this team and it is unfortunate.

 

[gimmesix]

Look I'm not reading past your first line, because I'm not going to agree with any of it,

except for the fact that you think that, but you don't know that. we have no proof so I'm not going to sit here and have a conversation about something nobody knows the truth to.....

Will Mcclay has been around 20 years you say the handcuffs are on him and I'm telling you don't know what's going on maybe he's just not that good of an assistant GM and Jerry could use a new voice in there a new perspective he's just unwilling to do it because of comfort but I'm telling you that alone could fix that hire the best assistant GM you can find on another team with a great GM steel their GM away and make him assistant GM with a higher title.....

It would have been interesting to see if McClay had taken a GM job elsewhere if his strategy there would have been different. But Jerry and Stephen have both made it very clear that the strategy here is theirs. We don't have to guess about that. We also know that our personnel problems have been around longer than McClay has been here and our drafting has improved since he was put in charge of it. Could someone else do better? Maybe

He may be part of the problem with pro personnel acquisitions, but the handcuffs on that clearly belong to the Joneses. I mean, just this offseason, Jerry said, “I don’t think aggressive is the right word. I’m not looking at free agency as a place to fill voids.”

 

[deerhunter11]

This is the delusion of ownership. They either really believe we are so stacked we can sign a bunch of cheap fa's and have success, or blatant incompetence. We can take it a step further with Shotty. That guy was on absolutely no ones short or long list of head coaching candidates, but here we are with him leading Dallas. Jerry has become cheap in his final years, guess it takes a lot of $$ to operate that yacht.

IT CAN'T BE SAID ANY BETTER THAN THIS YOU NAILED IT , I STAND BY THIS GOOD POST.I would have the highest payed best qualified coaching staff in the NFL if I am the owner of The Dallas Cowboys.Same goes for the GM and the Scouts.Cheap and slow to make decisions ,keeps Dallas in a bind year after year.I believe Jerry lucked into something good here for a change this time.Schottenheimer has put together a nice looking coaching staff and some good decisions seem to be made.I did not like the Schottenheimer hire at first either but this staff is making me a believer.

 

[blueblood70]

It would have been interesting to see if McClay had taken a GM job elsewhere if his strategy there would have been different. But Jerry and Stephen have both made it very clear that the strategy here is theirs. We don't have to guess about that. We also know that our personnel problems have been around longer than McClay has been here and our drafting has improved since he was put in charge of it. Could someone else do better? Maybe

He may be part of the problem with pro personnel acquisitions, but the handcuffs on that clearly belong to the Joneses. I mean, just this offseason, Jerry said, “I don’t think aggressive is the right word. I’m not looking at free agency as a place to fill voids.”

That's the thing they're not clearly on you can call it handcuffs but if Will Mcclay thought this that he can be a better asset somewhere else that he can get a true GM job hell even an assistant GM job and have more power and freedom why hasn't he left he's been here 20 years in a lot of different positions and responsibility but he could have left at any time...hmmm

if Jerry was really holding this man back why would he stay?

Guys just don't have the common sense gene that I have,

where immediately I smell BS and no not Brian Schottenheimer lol,

i'm just telling you don't tell me that Jerrys that bad to a point where their coaches that want to coach here and come back here or people like Will Mcclay that have stayed for 20 years and somehow Jerry handcuffing his people, well if this man's career has been handcuffed why not leave?

I smell nonsense here ,

I think that maybe he might be part of the problem jerry so comfortable with him and he's already capped out on what he can offer Jerry as his confidante ,whatever the hell you want to call him, he literally might be the problem, if Jerry got somebody else which he may never do that ,challenges him a little more, maybe this team would be better off ,maybe Jerry would be better off..

If Your mind can't make sense of that, I feel bad for you, if these coaches are being held back then why do they're up their contracts and stay so long, why did Dan Quinn not leave sooner, and I'm bet if Jerry were to offer Dan Quinn the head coaching job he would have took it over Washington ,if he'd have fired Mike Mccarthy ,after the Green Bay debacle, I guarantee Dan Quinn would have stayed ,but if they are being handcuffed if that's the truth in all of this, that he meddles so much ,then why have the people have stayed so long, and are willing to stay longer??

Right, you're going to have some answer and it won't be true if Jerry was as bad as fans make them out to be he would never be able to keep any of his front office or coaches around even the good ones....

Hey think about it the rumors there's been a couple of the retired head coaches in the league like Ryan for instance but others even Bill Belichick said if he would have been offered a job here before he accepted North Carolina if he knew he was a candidate he would have took the job if it's so obvious if all the rumors are true that Jerry meddles and holds them back why are these people interested in this job You think Jerry would be blackballed you think everybody would just ignore his calls and yet there are some big names that wanted this job jerry just decided to go with Schottenheimer....

And don't say it's because he wanted a puppet because that makes no sense because if that was true why are these other coaches who should know by now they've been in the coaching ranks they would have heard all these rumors they would have been able to verify if they were true and they wouldn't even come a state away from here they would want to like not even listen to Jerry and there have been plenty of successful coaches that's said they would have came here and coached if Jerry would have gave him a call..

 

[gimmesix]

That's the thing they're not clearly on you can call it handcuffs but if Will Mcclay thought this that he can be a better asset somewhere else that he can get a true GM job hell even an assistant GM job and have more power and freedom why hasn't he left he's been here 20 years in a lot of different positions and responsibility but he could have left at any time...hmmm

if Jerry was really holding this man back why would he stay?

Guys just don't have the common sense gene that I have,

where immediately I smell BS and no not Brian Schottenheimer lol,

i'm just telling you don't tell me that Jerrys that bad to a point where their coaches that want to coach here and come back here or people like Will Mcclay that have stayed for 20 years and somehow Jerry handcuffing his people, well if this man's career has been handcuffed why not leave?

I smell nonsense here ,

I think that maybe he might be part of the problem jerry so comfortable with him and he's already capped out on what he can offer Jerry as his confidante ,whatever the hell you want to call him, he literally might be the problem, if Jerry got somebody else which he may never do that ,challenges him a little more, maybe this team would be better off ,maybe Jerry would be better off..

If Your mind can't make sense of that, I feel bad for you, if these coaches are being held back then why do they're up their contracts and stay so long, why did Dan Quinn not leave sooner, and I'm bet if Jerry were to offer Dan Quinn the head coaching job he would have took it over Washington ,if he'd have fired Mike Mccarthy ,after the Green Bay debacle, I guarantee Dan Quinn would have stayed ,but if they are being handcuffed if that's the truth in all of this, that he meddles so much ,then why have the people have stayed so long, and are willing to stay longer??

Right, you're going to have some answer and it won't be true if Jerry was as bad as fans make them out to be he would never be able to keep any of his front office or coaches around even the good ones....

Hey think about it the rumors there's been a couple of the retired head coaches in the league like Ryan for instance but others even Bill Belichick said if he would have been offered a job here before he accepted North Carolina if he knew he was a candidate he would have took the job if it's so obvious if all the rumors are true that Jerry meddles and holds them back why are these people interested in this job You think Jerry would be blackballed you think everybody would just ignore his calls and yet there are some big names that wanted this job jerry just decided to go with Schottenheimer....

And don't say it's because he wanted a puppet because that makes no sense because if that was true why are these other coaches who should know by now they've been in the coaching ranks they would have heard all these rumors they would have been able to verify if they were true and they wouldn't even come a state away from here they would want to like not even listen to Jerry and there have been plenty of successful coaches that's said they would have came here and coached if Jerry would have gave him a call..

I don't think a lot of fans would agree with you on your common sense claim (as if yours is superior to others), but you believe what you want.

Just because the Joneses have constraints on free agency does not mean they are bad to work for. For all we know, McClay doesn't mind the handcuffs at all. In fact, the fact that he has stayed here when he has had other opportunities would indicate that.

Now, none of us knows the extent of his role in shaping that strategy, but Jerry has claimed credit/blame for it in the past, and at the time it started (2013), McClay didn't even have a key personnel role. Tom Ciskowski was assistant director of player personnel and Judd Garrett was assistant director of pro scouting. At that time, McClay was director of football research, whatever that means.

Maybe some of that common sense of yours will kick in based on that. No one is saying Jerry and Stephen are bad to work for or work with, you just have to understand that they have a free agent strategy that they believe in and have shown no interest in abandoning.

I continue to believe the Joneses' personnel missteps are one of the biggest problems with this team. And I don't blame it on anyone but them because it has persisted through different personnel men, different coaches and different players. If you choose not to believe that, that's your prerogative but the evidence isn't hard to see if you use that common sense.

 

[blueblood70]

I don't think a lot of fans would agree with you on your common sense claim (as if yours is superior to others), but you believe what you want.

Just because the Joneses have constraints on free agency does not mean they are bad to work for. For all we know, McClay doesn't mind the handcuffs at all. In fact, the fact that he has stayed here when he has had other opportunities would indicate that.

Now, none of us knows the extent of his role in shaping that strategy, but Jerry has claimed credit/blame for it in the past, and at the time it started (2013), McClay didn't even have a key personnel role. Tom Ciskowski was assistant director of player personnel and Judd Garrett was assistant director of pro scouting. At that time, McClay was director of football research, whatever that means.

Maybe some of that common sense of yours will kick in based on that. No one is saying Jerry and Stephen are bad to work for or work with, you just have to understand that they have a free agent strategy that they believe in and have shown no interest in abandoning.

I continue to believe the Joneses' personnel missteps are one of the biggest problems with this team. And I don't blame it on anyone but them because it has persisted through different personnel men, different coaches and different players. If you choose not to believe that, that's your prerogative but the evidence isn't hard to see if you use that common sense.

I'm not reading that at all because I don't agree with what you're saying you say he's putting restraints on them and I'm saying that you're exaggerating You're overrating some of the front office people like Will Mcclay again they would have left went somewhere else if they needed more freedom and could do a better job and make more money they could have left it's up to them ..

This conversation for me is over no one has proof either way and I'm telling you Will Mcclay is part of the problem jerry's way too comfortable with him and he's way too comfortable with Jerry that's not a good mix anymore and I'm putting a lot of the blame on Will Mcclay but all of the Blame would go on Jerry because he's the one keeping him around..

That's all I got to say about this i'm done conversations over for me you can argue with somebody else i'm not doing it Jerry may not be a genius front office guy but he's also not the worst GM in the league and I'll continue to say that he might be average like mid level but he is definitely not the worst one...