The Cowboys are $54M over the cap?

CowboyoWales said:
But you have the luxury of looking at one year at a time. You need to look at the next COUPLE of years to get a true reflection we can do....especially if you're looking at elite/top FA's.
As @KingCorcoran correctly says, most any team can create the space.....BUT OUR PROBLEM IS THAT 2027 (we are already in deficit) and only $70m in 2028 (puts us in bottom 4 and that's with a roster of 18= a ton of JAG's)..
We like to blame Jerry for not signing the top FA's, but reality is that there are a number of teams that can give better contracts and spread it over the next couple of years and have less holes to dilute the CAP.
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OK, but then go out one more year. It's a snap shot in time based on the structure of deals. It's almost meaningless. To show the affect of how contracts are structured, now look at the 2029 cap space. Most teams including us have over a billion in cap space because of the rolling of savings (this is fake because the savings will be eaten up of course with new signings). But look at the Eagles. Because of how they kick the can down the road to help the current year and backload their contracts with dead money in dead/voided outer years they "only" have $600M in cap space or $600M less than us. Obviously that too is just a snapshot and will adjust but I'm just using it as an example to show how meaningless the 2026 or any future cap number currently is. If we structured our deals like Philly we'd have $100M more in cap space in 2026 easily. We do not have a cap problem.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2029
 
You know this is getting way off track that is not going to be the cap number in March whenever they find out what the new cap number is with the NFL releases it always goes up whenever the Cowboys make all the moves they're going to need to make what happens every single year all of a sudden they're going to have plenty of money This shouldn't be something fans worry about because well you're not part of the team you're not building the team you have no say in the design or the operations of this team that will be done by the professionals..

When people start throwing these numbers out on the Internet and then they snowball like this and realize they weren't even accurate because all that matters is where the cap is when the new league year starts and the Cowboys will do what they need to do to to free up plenty of money there's so many moves that are going to be made this is going to be the most wasted thread of all time and there's a lot of them so that's pretty bad...
 
CowboyoWales said:
But you have the luxury of looking at one year at a time. You need to look at the next COUPLE of years to get a true reflection we can do....especially if you're looking at elite/top FA's.
As @KingCorcoran correctly says, most any team can create the space.....BUT OUR PROBLEM IS THAT 2027 (we are already in deficit) and only $70m in 2028 (puts us in bottom 4 and that's with a roster of 18= a ton of JAG's)..
We like to blame Jerry for not signing the top FA's, but reality is that there are a number of teams that can give better contracts and spread it over the next couple of years and have less holes to dilute the CAP.
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but the window is short and you maximize what you can in one or two years, try to make a run and then take a massive hit and rebuild. Eagles are doing it and have had some success, knowing they are going to get into a massive cap issue in the next couple of years.... you can't just worry about cap two years from now and not make the right moves now to win.... its not about winning cap management and managing the cap for 2,3 years down the road, its about putting a team together that can make a run....

so you want to do things to manage 27 and 28.... so screw 2026?

and yes, Jerry is to blame for FA. how is it that other teams do it and we can't? we have spent closer to the cap floor than cap ceiling. we have one of the lowest dead cap of any team because Jerry likes to hold on to the players until their contracts run out or the players totally collapse and he has no choice. he hates to pay for the same position twice, so he keeps a player like steele because of his contract, yet knowing the RT has been an issue for two years now. he held on to lawrence the same way. as a GM he really doesn't have an idea of how to put a team together. its done in one year increments without any long term plan. make fans happy this year and next year we try something different. during the disasterous 24 season, I predicted and said it multiple times that Jerry is going to make a splash move in the offseason to generate interest...on cue, here comes pickens.... its all about the marketing, not winning.

we were also one of the lowest cash spending teams in the league, except when we handed out Dak and CD contracts and went from low 20s to middle of the pack...and he justifies it with his jersey sales IMHO, because both of them were top 10 in jesey sales and they put butts in seats whether you like them or not.
 
They have under $25m this year that will roll into next season, the CAP will go up $10 to $20m, plus Dak and CD have void years built into their deals they will execute.

Releasing a few players like Diggs, Steele, etc. will free up money as will restructuring a few other contracts.

They can easily free up $100 million if they really wanted to, the question is how badly they want to win.
 
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Jarntt said:
OK, but then go out one more year. It's a snap shot in time based on the structure of deals. It's almost meaningless. To show the affect of how contracts are structured, now look at the 2029 cap space. Most teams including us have over a billion in cap space because of the rolling of savings (this is fake because the savings will be eaten up of course with new signings). But look at the Eagles. Because of how they kick the can down the road to help the current year and backload their contracts with dead money in dead/voided outer years they "only" have $600M in cap space or $600M less than us. Obviously that too is just a snapshot and will adjust but I'm just using it as an example to show how meaningless the 2026 or any future cap number currently is. If we structured our deals like Philly we'd have $100M more in cap space in 2026 easily. We do not have a cap problem.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2029
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Yes, OTC have calculated an expected Cap increase, but a lesser increase than Spotrac. OTC have added the Draft Pool and included the contracts to make up the full 51 roster. Indeed, Spotrac is only giving us just $65m (after restructuring $100m and not inc Draft Pool)......which would put us 10th in available CAP.....before any other team did any restructuring.

Agree we dont have a Cap problem, but quoting $100m is giving a somewhat misleading expectation.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
but the window is short and you maximize what you can in one or two years, try to make a run and then take a massive hit and rebuild. Eagles are doing it and have had some success, knowing they are going to get into a massive cap issue in the next couple of years.... you can't just worry about cap two years from now and not make the right moves now to win.... its not about winning cap management and managing the cap for 2,3 years down the road, its about putting a team together that can make a run....

so you want to do things to manage 27 and 28.... so screw 2026?

and yes, Jerry is to blame for FA. how is it that other teams do it and we can't? we have spent closer to the cap floor than cap ceiling. we have one of the lowest dead cap of any team because Jerry likes to hold on to the players until their contracts run out or the players totally collapse and he has no choice. he hates to pay for the same position twice, so he keeps a player like steele because of his contract, yet knowing the RT has been an issue for two years now. he held on to lawrence the same way. as a GM he really doesn't have an idea of how to put a team together. its done in one year increments without any long term plan. make fans happy this year and next year we try something different. during the disasterous 24 season, I predicted and said it multiple times that Jerry is going to make a splash move in the offseason to generate interest...on cue, here comes pickens.... its all about the marketing, not winning.

we were also one of the lowest cash spending teams in the league, except when we handed out Dak and CD contracts and went from low 20s to middle of the pack...and he justifies it with his jersey sales IMHO, because both of them were top 10 in jesey sales and they put butts in seats whether you like them or not.
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Calm down Houston. I agree that we can and should spend. I am pointing out that the $100m we can get every top FA is somewhat misleading and that its not as easy as saying .....'we have $100m, see FA, like FA, Sign FA'. What we forget is that other teams (some of which that are more attractive than us and with more available CAP have a say).
This isnt a defense of Jerry, but losing it over unspent CAP, as you have over the last year or so, is just as ridiculous. Last year was McCarthy 'Dead Man Walking' (and I agree we could of traded the Tank's, Martin, J-Lew's if we werent going to compete), and this year was a show me, on Schotty and Dak's fitness (with a decent Offense......Steele was expected/hoped to bounce post-Philbin).
There isnt an excuse for next year.... though the weakness throughout all sections of the Defense and our back-ups means we shouldnt expect a massive influx of top tier FA's, which somehow I get from those that bring up the $100m figure.
 
For those claiming that the cap doesn't matter and money can always be found, please tell our GM who stated last year that he couldn't sign Derek Henry because "do you people forget, there's a damn cap" or words to that effect.

They are cheap and incompetent in every regard.
 
dreghorn2 said:
For those claiming that the cap doesn't matter and money can always be found, please tell our GM who stated last year that he couldn't sign Derek Henry because "do you people forget, there's a damn cap" or words to that effect.

They are cheap and incompetent in every regard.
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That was Jerry trying to save face after Henry wanted Baltimore,
 
CowboyoWales said:
Calm down Houston. I agree that we can and should spend. I am pointing out that the $100m we can get every top FA is somewhat misleading and that its not as easy as saying .....'we have $100m, see FA, like FA, Sign FA'. What we forget is that other teams (some of which that are more attractive than us and with more available CAP have a say).
This isnt a defense of Jerry, but losing it over unspent CAP, as you have over the last year or so, is just as ridiculous. Last year was McCarthy 'Dead Man Walking' (and I agree we could of traded the Tank's, Martin, J-Lew's if we werent going to compete), and this year was a show me, on Schotty and Dak's fitness (with a decent Offense......Steele was expected/hoped to bounce post-Philbin).
There isnt an excuse for next year.... though the weakness throughout all sections of the Defense and our back-ups means we shouldnt expect a massive influx of top tier FA's, which somehow I get from those that bring up the $100m figure.
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what!? nice try....

well, that's a problem with most folks on this board. everyone wants to sign every expensive FA out there and build a team of super stars....partly its because of Jerry as cowboys fans don't have much hope he can put a good team together that can actually compete in all phases of the game. t

he fact is that FAs are FAs because they are injured, older or very expensive. that's why draft is so important. you can't sign every top FA in the market. no one can. if you look at KC and Philly and Rams, Detroit, etc. you see they have drafted really well and signed a few key FAs. so one or two key ones is enough. we had two bad drafts in a row and that really depleted the cowboys.

and Jerry and Stephen aren't necessarily the best cap managers, given their goal is to spend less, make most money. championships are secondary and if it every happens, great.....

I have been razzing on Steele for three years now. been saying, he has no lateral mobility and gets beat easily... this is not a 2025 issues, it was a 2024 and 2023 issue. but Jerry gave him a large contract and he has to see it to the end. that's what jerry does. it wouldn't surprise me if they kept him another 3 years.

we can't afford a big influx. no one can. but we need to draft better. 2025 draft seems ok...we just need a back to back and hit on a couple of players. one key FA (saftey? or LB).
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
few restructures and bam we have 40M space....its typical...because money keeps getting pushed to the future.

I think just dumping digs will save 10M....
cap will go up by 15M and that's 25M already.

rework a couple of contracts and viola
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Likely more to it than that.

One of the 3 DTs have to go

GP and JWill likely walk.
 
DuncanIso said:
Likely more to it than that.

One of the 3 DTs have to go

GP and JWill likely walk.
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I would actually make a change to 3-4...Osa and Williams can play DEs and clark in the middle. then Eze is the pass rushing OLB. we have overshown. and yes, we need a couple LBs...but we need a couple of LBs no matter how you look at it. we need a couple of better safties, both hooker and wilson are on the down side and long in the tooth.

so no reason we can't draft a LB in the first and find a saftey or two and a cb in the draft.

that also means bye bye Eberflus
 
dreghorn2 said:
For those claiming that the cap doesn't matter and money can always be found, please tell our GM who stated last year that he couldn't sign Derek Henry because "do you people forget, there's a damn cap" or words to that effect.

They are cheap and incompetent in every regard.
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The cap doesn't matter for a competent GM. Stephen just uses it as an excuse to be cheap and feed their own ego by giving their own guys big contracts.
 
dreghorn2 said:
For those claiming that the cap doesn't matter and money can always be found, please tell our GM who stated last year that he couldn't sign Derek Henry because "do you people forget, there's a damn cap" or words to that effect.

They are cheap and incompetent in every regard.
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Actually, you're incompetent ,apparently your memory is incompetent, and your comprehension of why they said what they said at the time, it turned out to be the correct move...

How would you pay Derek Henry $9 million and I know it would have been unknown at the time, but to be on a losing team and a losing effort, Rico Dowldes did a good job, that's all we needed last year ,he's doing a really good job also in North Carolina, having henry changes nothing last year..having him this year changes nothing ok internet gm..

I mean do you not see how you're very wrong here ,and Jerry turned out to be very right, because right now we have Javonte Williams doing the exact same thing for a lot less, and that will pay him and I bet it'll come in less than paying for henry, who at anytime could fall off the proverbial cliff, at his age with that mileage..

Understand, Jerry didn't have this information about how bad these two seasons might be ,but in the end he made the right move, you don't invest in an older running back for that kind of money ,that takes up that piece of the cap, that's what he meant ,if you don't get that I hate to break it to you, that's what I heard when he said it ,I know how to rad between the lines When you hear our front office talk you can't take them word for word read between the damn lines that's what he meant he did not want to invest in a older running back at that price because he has other places they need to spend the money that is true there is a cap it's how you decide where you want to spend the most and where you need to save the most you bring in a guy like Devante Williams or Rico because they're doing a pretty **** good job..

You wanted Henry because he had a big name and because originally you wanted him in the draft, and I admit I thought he would fall off a Cliff by now, and he has not, but he would not have changed the Dallas Cowboys fate the last two seasons ,that's a fact,

so why don't you let it go... Jerry So incompetent Javonte Williams and George Pickens worked out pretty damn well didn't they But doing what he did it's the same thing as he would have done with Henry did it change our fate this year him making all these big moves he did made more moves this year than the last three years combined and you're calling him incompetent Hopefully this stuff carries over into 2026 and we don't have the same amount of injuries and we have some guys get better and just have another offseason stacked on the last one which was very good so your statement just falls short it doesn't land with me yeah 2024 is offseason was horrible this season he's done a lot of competent things..

It did not help our record but I believe these moves that have been made and that can continue to be made can help 2026 and that's all I have right now is hope but Derrick Henry would have changed absolutely nothing but gave you somebody from the Cowboys to put on your precious fantasy football team that's it But putting lipstick on a pig is still a pig...
 
CowboyoWales said:
Yes, OTC have calculated an expected Cap increase, but a lesser increase than Spotrac. OTC have added the Draft Pool and included the contracts to make up the full 51 roster. Indeed, Spotrac is only giving us just $65m (after restructuring $100m and not inc Draft Pool)......which would put us 10th in available CAP.....before any other team did any restructuring.

Agree we dont have a Cap problem, but quoting $100m is giving a somewhat misleading expectation.
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Want me to give you $100M in cap savings from where we are now?
 
dreghorn2 said:
Harbaugh - Chargers, with their QB signed, will have 101 million for next year. Took the job with a horrendous cap situation, winning despite all the dead money and on their 4th and 5th OTs

McVay - Rams, everyone knows the cap hole they dug/are digging out of, 80 million next year.

Payton - Broncos, shedding all that crazy dead money for Wilson, No.1 seed in the AFC with a 2nd year QB, 40 million next year.

It's amazing what can be done with the right people.
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But they pay their own ways
 
Jarntt said:
Want me to give you $100M in cap savings from where we are now?
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I'm aware we can create about $100m with restructuring: Dak, CeeDee, Quinnen, and releasing Diggs, Hooper and Steele....leaving $50m net after existing deficit and draft pool.

Yep we could go the whole hog and restructure Osa, Clark, Bland and Clark to get it close to $100m, but that's a scenario that any team can manipulate from a stronger starting off point.

The vast majority of fans will look at thd figure and want elite FA signings with no consideration that we have to beat 31 teams to the signature.
 
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