The Cowboys must be better at evaluating Defensive talent

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Aven8, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. Sarge

    Sarge Red, White and Brew... Moderator

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    They need to put more emphasis on the defensive side of the ball period. Defense, in the end, still wins.
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  2. Aerolithe_Lion

    Aerolithe_Lion Well-Known Member

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    You used a second round pick on Jaylon and Gregory. Up to this point do you believe you’ve gotten second round value out of them? Gregory was drafted 6 drafts ago (surprised me too) and has 10 career sacks. How exactly is that a ‘hit’? Because he’s still held on to a roster spot? Second round picks are first round leftovers. You’re not looking to fill reserve slots with those
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  3. Clove

    Clove Shrinkage

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    The problem is, Jerry sees an Injured players and thinks he can rehab that player. Or a troubled player, or players as such, vs, just picking the BP at that position. He's trying to get a big bargain and it's never quite worked out for him. Plus, he tries to get cute. Taco (a virtual no name) to Watt (because he wasn't a 4-3 guy) That's getting cute. Pick the best player.
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  4. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Some of the worst defensive picks was Marinelli’s hand picked players. Marinelli was outdated and good defensive players was passed over because they didn’t fit his scheme. A good example is his 1-tech type of players which was smaller than the usual 1-tech players in other schemes.
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  5. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Gregory is a tough one. It has taken forever to get those 10.5 sacks
    BUT.. he was pick 60 not 35, he has made no money at all so cost you nothing and when suspended he didn't even eat a roster spot.
    He's a starter next year which is pretty good return on pick 60 SIX years earlier.

    Jaylon is an easy hit given his starts and snap counts but the contract is tough going forward so he may not be here long.

    These are obviously not DLaw caliber selections but few are. If Taco is a bust and DLaw is a grand slam, I'd call these a Hit.

    I feel the same about CWill on offense. Solid pick 50 value but certainy not a steal or gland slam. Just a hit.
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  6. Jake

    Jake Curmudgeon

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    Unfortunately, Jerry doesn't get visions of sugar plums when thinking about defensive players.
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  7. Majic

    Majic Well-Known Member

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    Because he wasn't projected to go that high, and there is no evidence to suggest he would have been selected there if we hadn't drafted him. It was a good pick
  8. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Umm.... isn't that why we had issues? Coaches having to much influence?
  9. CouchCoach

    CouchCoach Moderator

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    Agree but how do they do that? Who is evaluating the talent now? Doesn't take much to pick Big Smitty, Martin, Bryant, Lamb, Elliott or even Yosemite, who was the highest ranked Center.

    The same people traded up for Claiborne and selected Charleton and Vander Esch.

    Don't give defense a second thought but that's what they do. Offense drives ticket sales, merch sales and attention on TV. The stars are all on the offense. Ware was the exception, certainly not the rule. They even push to make OL stars.

    This is not going to change.
  10. JoeKing

    JoeKing Diehard Zone Supporter

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    That's a ridiculous statement. Jimmy Johnson was a coach with considerable influence on the Cowboys draft. Was that a problem for you too? Can we agree it depends on the coach with the influence? Obviously, Marinelli's influence in the draft didn't work out but that doesn't mean we should stop letting the coaches have influence.
  11. TwentyOne

    TwentyOne Well-Known Member

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    We are not good on both sides of the ball. But we are worse on the D side.
  12. CalPolyTechnique

    CalPolyTechnique Well-Known Member

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    Mo Claiborne.
  13. BigD_95

    BigD_95 Well-Known Member

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    not sure the point because a lot of those guys are good players. Injuries hurt some of them but you can’t call that missing on picks. Taking .Lee & LVE were solid picks. Taco looks like the awful pick but what team doesn’t have an awful pick? Jury still out on Hill. He looked to be coming on in his 2nd year before getting hurt.

    we just invest more in top picks on the offense. It’s easier to hit on top talent when you consistently use top picks.
  14. 75boyz

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    Outstanding post. Seems to be overlooked here.
    Imo this is truly one of the core problems to this team's lack of success. I read a Cowboys article that 3 regional long time scouts moved on to other teams a couple of years ago so maybe fresh eyes/methods will yield improvement.

    But I just don't know.

    CowboysFaninHouston did a past similar summation of defensive picks and their general overall career paths and the "majority" did not perform to draft level in most cases and in some/many were outright busts.

    There is a fundamental disconnect on the player selected and his coaching/development with how it matches to whoever's the DC at the time. The player and scheme regularly do not match.

    It began after Parcells left. Not sure if it's a basic philosophical error or mis communication between those scouting, selecting and coaching.

    But something is missing.
    And it has been for a long time and I don't think the Joneses know how to fix it either outside of wholesale infrastructure change.

    And that ain't happening, lol

    My opinion.

    AND again, I believe this IS a root cause of the losing.

    Because THIS front offense does not know HOW to choose the right defensive players.
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  15. Majic

    Majic Well-Known Member

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    Exactly what Mike McCarthy has said from day one
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  16. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    It is not ridiculous. It is a completely different situation from the Jimmy days. Heck, it was reported coaches want Horn over Surtain.
  17. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Taco was BPA over Watt. Drop the BPA agenda. Taco was a bad pick due to poor player analysis.
  18. kskboys

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    Scouts aren't the problem. It's what this org does w/ the info is where the problem lies.
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  19. Batman1980

    Batman1980 Well-Known Member

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    I dunno, I can't remember the last time we had a 3rd round pick who panned out.
  20. Fizziksman

    Fizziksman BanditHiro

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    they need to be better at coaching and putting players in positions to succeed

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