The Day Leinart Dropped to 10

[UVAwahoos]

We were all there in front of our TVs, hoping that Jerry would wise up and realize that a heismann trophy winning QB was just a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick trade away. But of course, the oppotunity slipped.

Now we're in a really weird deja vu stage. Bledsoe is looking about as good as Troy looked during his last two seasons. I could compare Romo to Quincy Carter and call it a day. Looks like another 7 years of searching for QBs is inevitable.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

dallas had a long way to get up to the 10 spot and even further to get to the 9 spot because just maybe the Cards were very happy at 10...

Do you really think a 2nd round pick would have done it???

welcome to the board

 

[Chocolate Lab]

We were all there in front of our TVs, hoping that Jerry would wise up and realize that a heismann trophy winning QB was just a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick trade away.

No, we weren't...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

why can't people make these threads, you know...like on draft day? it's pointless now

 

[UVAwahoos]

I think trading into the top 5 hurts for a few years. To trade 8-9 spots up for a proven QB, when u know first-hand how hard it is to find a QB, is not as much of a stretch. With all the voids that Arizona had to fill on that OL, and in other areas, I am sure that a combo draft pick package would've tickled them. It made absolutely no sense to me that day, and still doesn't today.

I'm glad we got to fill the void on the 3-4 with Carpenter. That's great news and all...but we obviously haven't had a legitiment shot since that 1996 loss at Carolina. All things to point to the QB position over the last 10 years. If you count out the quality QBs of the 32 NFL franchises, you'll get about 10 guys quality guys (and that's a stretch). With 22 teams aching for a leader, I think we missed a huge opportunity. Who's coming out this year? Brady Quinn? haha. Quinn really cooled down fast right? All the heismann talk is out now. Essentially what I'm trying to say it that Leinart dropping to 10 was a huge deal. Even if he's a bust, it was the best opportunity available, and will be for a long time.

I guess I just needed to vent like TO does every other day. Good to find a support group here at least.

 

[peplaw06]

Leinart's not proven now... How was he proven in April?

 

[Derinyar]

I think trading into the top 5 hurts for a few years. To trade 8-9 spots up for a proven QB, when u know first-hand how hard it is to find a QB, is not as much of a stretch. With all the voids that Arizona had to fill on that OL, and in other areas, I am sure that a combo draft pick package would've tickled them. It made absolutely no sense to me that day, and still doesn't today.

I'm glad we got to fill the void on the 3-4 with Carpenter. That's great news and all...but we obviously haven't had a legitiment shot since that 1996 loss at Carolina. All things to point to the QB position over the last 10 years. If you count out the quality QBs of the 32 NFL franchises, you'll get about 10 guys quality guys (and that's a stretch). With 22 teams aching for a leader, I think we missed a huge opportunity. Who's coming out this year? Brady Quinn? haha. Quinn really cooled down fast right? All the heismann talk is out now. Essentially what I'm trying to say it that Leinart dropping to 10 was a huge deal. Even if he's a bust, it was the best opportunity available, and will be for a long time.

I guess I just needed to vent like TO does every other day. Good to find a support group here at least.

We wouldn't have come close to the #9 pick without putting in next year's first also.

 

[the kid 05]

Leinart's not proven now... How was he proven in April?

duh didn't you hear hes starting that makes him a football god. i mean he played on THE worst team in college and won 2 heismans and a nat champion ship. name one player from his team that is playing in the nfl? scratch that name one person EVER from USC to play in the NFL....

sarcasm/off

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

We were all there in front of our TVs, hoping that Jerry would wise up and realize that a heismann trophy winning QB was just a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick trade away. But of course, the oppotunity slipped.

Now we're in a really weird deja vu stage. Bledsoe is looking about as good as Troy looked during his last two seasons. I could compare Romo to Quincy Carter and call it a day. Looks like another 7 years of searching for QBs is inevitable.

Wow, you must be really smart to be able to tell that a guy who hasn't played a meaningful down of football for this team is the next Quincy Carter. Would you be so kind as to PM me with the winning numbers in next week's lotto?

 

[peplaw06]

Wow, you must be really smart to be able to tell that a guy who hasn't played a meaningful down of football for this team is the next Quincy Carter. Would you be so kind as to PM me with the winning numbers in next week's lotto?

Few on this board seem to have a problem calling him better that Bledsoe right now. Or comparing him to Tom Brady and/or Brett Favre.

Someone says he's the next Quincy Carter... woah that's not okay.

 

[THUMPER]

According to the draft pick points/value chart the #9 pick is worth 1350 points. Our 1st(900) & 2nd(370) rounders would add up to 1270 so throwing in a 3rd next year would make it a pretty decent deal for the Lions.

The #10 pick is worth 1300 points so if the Cards would have been willing to trade then it would probably have just been our 1st & 2nd rounders plus a 6th round pick for good measure.

Considering how badly Kurt Warner sucks I'm pretty sure the Cards are very happy with taking Leinart at #10 but I wish we would have made the deal for him.... or Philip Rivers, or Carson Palmer, or... Stupid Jerry Jones! Stupid Parcells! :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[peplaw06]

As has been said before, how do you know those teams wanted to trade? JJ and BP may have approached them with the exact scenario you mentioned. But you have to have a willing trade partner. I'm guessing the Cards really wanted Leinart, and they wouldn't have done it. The Lions? Who knows how badly they wanted Sims...

 

[jrumann59]

For every QB that succeeds in the 1st round there a numerous Leaf, Couch, Smith, Klingler, McCown, George, Kollins, Dilfer,Boller, Harrington?, and carr to a certain degree. Grading QBs in the draft is not a perfect science ask Cincinnati, ask the bears, chargers, Lions. If it was every team would never go thru the troubles they go thru when they lose their franchise QB, the NFL would be more like college in respect to the QB situations.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I understand that this is all after the fact, but I wanted to get some opinions anyway.

It really doesn't make sense for arizona to be so intent on leinart. They had no intention of moving up in the draft for a QB, and showed it by locking Warner up with that 3 year contract extension in February. I just think it's pretty bold to say that Leinart wouldn't have been worth trading up for. He has the same potential Peyton Manning had coming out of Tennessee, without the big game choke factor. As much as I hate peyton, who wouldn't want that guy on ur roster?

We're gonna lose plenty more than just 1 first round pick if we're spending the next 9 years finding a QB like we have been the last 9. Plenty of our first rounders have come and gone since we were a contender. This is more of a problem we have with our GM than anything else. People mocked the Quincy Carter decision (he wouldn't have been a starter in college if he stayed) and most of our drafts have not been great either. By this point, I'd say those picks to trade up were valuable, but expendable given the situation.

 

[sbark]

be a better agruement if you had thrown the kid qb that went to Denver in there

 

[UVAwahoos]

Wow, you must be really smart to be able to tell that a guy who hasn't played a meaningful down of football for this team is the next Quincy Carter. Would you be so kind as to PM me with the winning numbers in next week's lotto?

Well if you wanna be a smarta$$ about it, what's wrong with Quincy Carter? He went 10-6 and took us to the playoffs. Isn't that what ur hoping Romo will do for us?

I understand that Romo excited everyone and it's cute to hope he's great and all while anxiously awaiting that very first NFL snap...but this same sentiment was felt with cunningham part 2, leif part 2, hutchinson, henson, even carter to some degree and testeverde.

Plus I'm sure people would be just as excited to bench bledsoe for any other backup. There's no basis to substantiate Romo being better than Bledsoe except for his speed, and I'm sure his inexperience would negate that positive for just enough games to put us out of the playoff race. Yeah leinart may fail, but I think people need to calm down about Romo for the same reasons. Does the fact that he's on our roster shadow all of his negatives like it did for those other QBs that we've had?

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I agree with the overall idea of the OP. Yes, it may have taken an additional first round pick, but you are not going to get a quality QB in the first round unless it's usually in the top 10-15 picks. There are exceptions of course but you essentially get what you pay for. If you want a quality QB then you have to make the sacrafices needed. I would much rather have Matt Leinart than Drew Bledsoe starting. With Bledsoe, I know we aren't going to contend for a championship. At least with Leinart starting, I could have had hope for next season. Now, we will be doing a QB rebuilding project next season. I live in Arizona and I have seen Leinart play up close twice (once at USC and last Sunday. The guy is the real deal. If the Cardinals offensive line wasn't so bad, he would have probably thrown another 2 TD's. He has that much poise, and intelligence.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

For every QB that succeeds in the 1st round there a numerous Leaf, Couch, Smith, Klingler, McCown, George, Kollins, Dilfer,Boller, Harrington?, and carr to a certain degree. Grading QBs in the draft is not a perfect science ask Cincinnati, ask the bears, chargers, Lions. If it was every team would never go thru the troubles they go thru when they lose their franchise QB, the NFL would be more like college in respect to the QB situations.

But for every QB that succeeds in the NFL period, the majority of them were drafted in the first round. No, it's not a perfect science but your odds of selecting a great QB increase considerably when you draft him in the first round particularly the first 10 picks.

 

[TheHustler]

For every QB that succeeds in the 1st round there a numerous Leaf, Couch, Smith, Klingler, McCown, George, Kollins, Dilfer,Boller, Harrington?, and carr to a certain degree. Grading QBs in the draft is not a perfect science ask Cincinnati, ask the bears, chargers, Lions. If it was every team would never go thru the troubles they go thru when they lose their franchise QB, the NFL would be more like college in respect to the QB situations.

Carr is one of the highest rated passers in the league at the moment. Up around 105 I think.

 

[YoungBuck]

be a better agruement if you had thrown the kid qb that went to Denver in there

Very true. I wouldn't have drafted Leinart if he was available in the 2nd round. He has limited arm strenth, mobility, and QB tools.

People are saying bench Bledsoe because he's not mobile enough for this line, have you see Leinart play? He was lucky to have the best line in college last year, or else he probably would have played like Drew is now.

I wouldn't have minded trading up into St. Louis' spot like Denver did to pick up Jay Cutler. He showed at Vanderbilt that he can play with a bad line and be successful.