The Defecation Hits the Oscillation Situations

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Many on this blog and in the media (local and abroad) have taken a simplistic view on how Jason Garrett will retain his job following this upcoming season, stating one of two qualifiers: 1. He either has to make the playoffs or 2. he has to do better than 8 and 8. While I understand that should he be dismissed one if not both of the above probably didn't happen, I'm not sure that should be the only reason. There are quite a few issues that can occur within a season that can derail a teams win/loss ratio and/or playoff chances regardless of the job Garrett does. Injuries in particular, especially to key positions such as the QB could play a huge role in a losing season. I've asked it before, does anybody expect Weeden and/or Orton to take this team to the playoffs? Lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball is the reason many on this blog and within the media have picked the Cowboys to go 8 and 8 or worse no matter what Garrett does.

Jerry Jones has made it clear he wants Garrett to oversee the team as a whole as opposed to leaning towards offense, which means that much of the defense, special teams and offense success or failures falls on the coordinators shoulders, in terms of play calling and the actual players in terms of execution. Granted, Jason will likely have his hand in everything, but at the same time, if one unit out of three doesn't perform as it should, it will be difficult to just point the finger at Jason.

This line of thinking set me to questioning the most important attributes of a Head Coach and furthermore how their success and failures are measured; how do we truly determine a Head Coach's value?

Obviously, Wade's team made it easy to see that it was time for him to be replaced...they quit. But I really can't say I have seen that level of quit since Wade left. For the most part, this team has battled, losing by 7 points or less the majority of the time since Garrett took over for Wade in 2010. Consider the following:

2010 - Garrett lost 3 games, all of which were by 3 points or less:

Saints by 3
Eagles by 3
Cardinals by 1

2011 - Garrett lost 8 games, 5 of which were by 6 points or less:

Jets by 3
Lions by 4
Patriots by 4
Cardinals by 6
Giants by 3

2012 - Garrett lost 8 games, 5 of which were by 7 points or less:

Ravens by 3
Giants by 5
Falcons by 6
Commanders by 7
Saints by 3

2013 - Garrett lost 8 games, 5 of which were by 3 points or less:

Chiefs by 1
Broncos by 3
Lions by 1
Packers by 1
Eagles by 2

My hypothesis is that based on the above information we can at least assume his team has not quit on him and have fought to the end. Granted, a few of those losses were situations were teams came back to win, such as the Chiefs and the Lions from last year, but I do not believe that was a result of the team quitting; though, I still hold Jason responsible for those losses because I honestly believe playcalling and in-game management had more to do with it than anything. With Marinelli, Linehan, and Bissacia calling the shots for the most part as far as playcalling, I honestly believe we should see improvement on the in-game management because that will be the only aspect of the game Garrett should be directly responsible for...and even with that, I'm sure Callahan will be backing him up.

So with this host of proven talented coaches behind Garrett in 2014, what can we the fans truly look at to say one way or another if Garrett did a good job or bad job?

For me, it will be when the defecation hits the oscillation situations. When things go wrong, how does he, his subordinate coaches and, more importantly, his players handle it? Will they continue to fight or will they roll over and submit. If and when injuries occur, will the next man up be ready? I don't expect said player to completely replace his predecessor; but I do expect him at the very least to know his role, his assignments and execute to the best of his ability. When the football takes an unlucky bounce, how does the team respond? With fight to get the ball back or do they allow the momentum of the game to be sucked away? Obviously, these things are the intangibles that are often times hard to measure and can be subjective from one viewer to another, but still, I believe the people within the organization will know...and that's what I think Jerry will likely be looking at come season end, with or without the playoffs or a record better than 8 and 8.
 

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Honest questions:

When you talk about areas of the team not performing not being his fault, does that mean he also doesn't get the praise when they do well?

Since when is "not quitting" criterion enough for not firing a coach? Players didn't quit on Campo or plenty of other coaches who've been fired.

Is losing by only a field goal really so noble when the team at one point had a 20+ point lead?

And finally, why do people do mental gymnastics to figure out ways to keep Jason Garrett even if we're losing? What makes him so special?
 

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Hard to tell with Jerry. My guess is unless the team tanks or Garrett messes up a couple of games then he's safe. I see the changes here even though the record doesn't reflect that.
 

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Honest questions:

When you talk about areas of the team not performing not being his fault, does that mean he also doesn't get the praise when they do well?

Since when is "not quitting" criterion enough for not firing a coach? Players didn't quit on Campo or plenty of other coaches who've been fired.

Is losing by only a field goal really so noble when the team at one point had a 20+ point lead?

And finally, why do people do mental gymnastics to figure out ways to keep Jason Garrett even if we're losing? What makes him so special?

This thread was not intended to be an argument for keeping Garrett. My argument is actually against the people who suggest we should fire him simply because the team doesn't make the playoffs or does better than 8 and 8...especially when not too many expect the Cowboys to do better than that regardless of the job Garrett does. I thought I made that pretty clear. To be honest, I'm divided on Jason Garrett. But the reasons I had an issue with Garrett I am hoping are in the rearview - 1. In game management has been pretty poor and 2. I wasn't a big fan of his playcalling. With the latter being stripped from him, the only thing he has to focus on is the first point - both should be improved as a result. What I like about Garrett is the direction of the team and the youth movement. At least this past offseason, Jerry Jones showed restraint in the contracts he handed out and I suspect that is because of Jason. I could be wrong on the last point, but it at least shows a change with some promise for the future. Garrett isn't special, but a change of coach means we have to start all over, when I beleive if the Cowboys keep on their current path, we might actually see a potential contender in the next few years. Furthermore, there is no telling who Jerry hires after Garrett and in hindsight Garrett may be the lesser of two evils.
 

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Good stuff man.

Just looking at those 2013 losses, kills me.

We had KC but turnovers hurt Dallas.
Against Denver, Dallas scored 48 points. You'd think that would be enough. Honestly.
The Lions was a win if Dallas had any semblance of a defense.
Green Bay should have been a win for sure. This is probably the only loss I put on Garrett for the most part. It is his team and he should have taken control and insisted they run the ball against a team that just couldn't stop us from running.
Philly, well, if Dallas would have had their QB I think they win easily. In contrast to the Green Bay game, I think Garrett did a good job of keeping Dallas in this game.

I try not to do what I just did, because you can do the same thing for the close wins... still, I let myself look at it this way from time to time because they were very, very close to winning most of those. Bottom line is, if they had a solid (not great... solid) defense, they stroll into the playoffs with the NFC East crown and double digit victories.

It is pretty tempting to say Dallas will have a better defense this year, and the offense should be better by virtue of an even better offensive line... but each year is different and this season's schedule if flat out brutal.

The team could have a better offense and better defense and not improve their record, which everyone needs to keep in mind (although they won't).

I am a Garrett fan because of how he runs the organization, not because of what he does on gameday. I have no question about the drafts anymore. I used to never trust the picks they made (post Jimmy Johnson), but since Garrett has been here, Dallas has been one of the better drafting teams in the league. Many won't give Garrett responsibility for that, but I think that Jerry Jones thinks so highly of Jason that he lets him have more control over the draft process than anyone since Jimmy... and yes I'm including Parcells.

Literally everything about the organization is improved under Garrett. They make better personnel decisions, they are giving more weight to playing youth and inexperience, and they have stopped paying age and past production. In short, they are running the organization the right way... finally.

I think Garrett has more to do with that than anyone else in the organization. So I absolutely love the direction of the franchise and think that Jason is the right guy to lead them.

However, his game-planning and gameday decisions are a different story. He clearly is a young coach who still has a lot to learn. Garrett is very smart and I have no doubt that he is learning from his mistakes. Will the team be patient enough to let him grow into the job like Tex Schram did Landry? I don't know but Jerry sure does seem patient with him. I hope he gives him enough time.

For me it boils down to this: I think the 2013 8-8 team was way better than the 2011 8-8 team. There has clearly been significant improvement of the personnel since 2010 when Garrett took over. He started out with a team that had a lot of aging, high-priced players on it and made it into one of the youngest rosters in the league.

In Garrett's first game as head coach in 2010, his offensive line consisted of:

Doug Free, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, and Marc Colombo.

In 2014 the starting OL will most likely be:

Tyron Smith, Ron Leary, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, and Doug Free.

Only one starter is the same and he is playing at a different position (LT-RT). That is a complete rebuild.

In 2010 his WR's were:

Miles Austin, Roy Williams, Dez Bryant, Jesse Holley, and Teddy Williams.

The 2014 WR's will most likely be:

Dez Bryant, Terrence Williams, Cole Beasley, Dwayne Harris, and Devin Street. That is a rebuild as well.

2010 RB's were:

Felix Jones, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice.

2014 RB's Most likely:

DeMarco Murray, Lance Dunbar, Ryan Williams, and maybe Randle or Malena.

Again, it is a completely different group.

I won't continue, but the difference in the roster is night and day. Garrett has done a complete overhaul on the team... COMPLETE... and he has never won fewer than 8 games. It is very difficult to do a complete rebuild and not bottom out.

I love the direction of the team, and I love the personnel decisions that have been made for the past few seasons. They're getting younger, they are getting leaner, and they are making decisions based on the right criteria now.

Will Jason Garrett finally get it and be as good of a game day coach as he is at building a team? Well, nobody knows. However, if he does, then I can promise you that Dallas will be in very good shape going forward because every aspect of the team has improved and the all important talent acquisition is happening in all the right ways.
 

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And finally, why do people do mental gymnastics to figure out ways to keep Jason Garrett even if we're losing? What makes him so special?

I can only answer this for myself... but for me, I do it because Garrett is so good as everything else besides being a gameday coach. As I said in my (long-winded) post above, acquiring good talent (the right kind of talent), having the full attention of the team (it is clear they get his message), and limiting penalties and turnovers. To me it is clear that he is running a tight ship, just like it is clear that he has been doing a complete rebuild since he took over. Like I said above, even going through a complete rebuild he never won fewer than 8 games. That isn't bad.

Basically, the team is in great shape and only getting better. If he can learn from his mistakes and become a good gameday coach, then the franchise will be in excellent shape going forward. I can't think of many coaching candidates that would be able to run things so well under Jerry. IMO, Garrett is almost filling a pseudo GM position. I don't think anyone Jones will hire would do as well as far as the direction of the franchise.

If Garrett does improve and is able to complete his rebuilding project (Defense still needs work), I think the team becomes a perennial contender under his watch.
 

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Good stuff man.

Just looking at those 2013 losses, kills me.

We had KC but turnovers hurt Dallas.
Against Denver, Dallas scored 48 points. You'd think that would be enough. Honestly.
The Lions was a win if Dallas had any semblance of a defense.
Green Bay should have been a win for sure. This is probably the only loss I put on Garrett for the most part. It is his team and he should have taken control and insisted they run the ball against a team that just couldn't stop us from running.
Philly, well, if Dallas would have had their QB I think they win easily. In contrast to the Green Bay game, I think Garrett did a good job of keeping Dallas in this game.

I try not to do what I just did, because you can do the same thing for the close wins... still, I let myself look at it this way from time to time because they were very, very close to winning most of those. Bottom line is, if they had a solid (not great... solid) defense, they stroll into the playoffs with the NFC East crown and double digit victories.

It is pretty tempting to say Dallas will have a better defense this year, and the offense should be better by virtue of an even better offensive line... but each year is different and this season's schedule if flat out brutal.

The team could have a better offense and better defense and not improve their record, which everyone needs to keep in mind (although they won't).

I am a Garrett fan because of how he runs the organization, not because of what he does on gameday. I have no question about the drafts anymore. I used to never trust the picks they made (post Jimmy Johnson), but since Garrett has been here, Dallas has been one of the better drafting teams in the league. Many won't give Garrett responsibility for that, but I think that Jerry Jones thinks so highly of Jason that he lets him have more control over the draft process than anyone since Jimmy... and yes I'm including Parcells.

Literally everything about the organization is improved under Garrett. They make better personnel decisions, they are giving more weight to playing youth and inexperience, and they have stopped paying age and past production. In short, they are running the organization the right way... finally.

I think Garrett has more to do with that than anyone else in the organization. So I absolutely love the direction of the franchise and think that Jason is the right guy to lead them.

However, his game-planning and gameday decisions are a different story. He clearly is a young coach who still has a lot to learn. Garrett is very smart and I have no doubt that he is learning from his mistakes. Will the team be patient enough to let him grow into the job like Tex Schram did Landry? I don't know but Jerry sure does seem patient with him. I hope he gives him enough time.

For me it boils down to this: I think the 2013 8-8 team was way better than the 2011 8-8 team. There has clearly been significant improvement of the personnel since 2010 when Garrett took over. He started out with a team that had a lot of aging, high-priced players on it and made it into one of the youngest rosters in the league.

In Garrett's first game as head coach in 2010, his offensive line consisted of:

Doug Free, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, and Marc Colombo.

In 2014 the starting OL will most likely be:

Tyron Smith, Ron Leary, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, and Doug Free.

Only one starter is the same and he is playing at a different position (LT-RT). That is a complete rebuild.

In 2010 his WR's were:

Miles Austin, Roy Williams, Dez Bryant, Jesse Holley, and Teddy Williams.

The 2014 WR's will most likely be:

Dez Bryant, Terrence Williams, Cole Beasley, Dwayne Harris, and Devin Street. That is a rebuild as well.

2010 RB's were:

Felix Jones, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice.

2014 RB's Most likely:

DeMarco Murray, Lance Dunbar, Ryan Williams, and maybe Randle or Malena.

Again, it is a completely different group.

I won't continue, but the difference in the roster is night and day. Garrett has done a complete overhaul on the team... COMPLETE... and he has never won fewer than 8 games. It is very difficult to do a complete rebuild and not bottom out.

I love the direction of the team, and I love the personnel decisions that have been made for the past few seasons. They're getting younger, they are getting leaner, and they are making decisions based on the right criteria now.

Will Jason Garrett finally get it and be as good of a game day coach as he is at building a team? Well, nobody knows. However, if he does, then I can promise you that Dallas will be in very good shape going forward because every aspect of the team has improved and the all important talent acquisition is happening in all the right ways.

Great response! I agree completely. And at this point with Marinelli and Linehan running the defense/offense respectively, there really is no excuse for continued poor in-game management...but if Garrett is directly responsible for more losses like the Packers then that could very well be the end - it would be tough to make an argument against it.
 

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but if Garrett is directly responsible for more losses like the Packers then that could very well be the end - it would be tough to make an argument against it.

Yeah, it would be tough to argue against it... but I don't think it will happen again. He might make a different mistake, but Garrett has proven over the past few years that he learns from his mistakes, and learns quickly. He will typically adjust and not make the same mistake again, for the most part.

I do think having Marinelli (excellent coach) and Linehan (excellent offensive coordinator) will help him a lot. In particular I think the new wrinkles in the offense will help. Other teams, and particularly the one's in our division, knew Garrett's offense inside and out. They have been playing against it since 2007 and were comfortable playing against it. Even when Callahan was running it, it was still pretty much the same offense. Linehan though is going to be running a different offense and I think defenses won't be nearly as comfortable game planning against it.

Both Marinelli and Linehan coached their way into a head coaching gig based on the merits of what they did as coordinators. They are both very good coaches. If the defense can just be good enough to hold on, the offense will win some games this year.

It won't be boring, that's for sure.
 

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Good stuff man.

Just looking at those 2013 losses, kills me.

We had KC but turnovers hurt Dallas.
Against Denver, Dallas scored 48 points. You'd think that would be enough. Honestly.
The Lions was a win if Dallas had any semblance of a defense.
Green Bay should have been a win for sure. This is probably the only loss I put on Garrett for the most part. It is his team and he should have taken control and insisted they run the ball against a team that just couldn't stop us from running.
Philly, well, if Dallas would have had their QB I think they win easily. In contrast to the Green Bay game, I think Garrett did a good job of keeping Dallas in this game.

I try not to do what I just did, because you can do the same thing for the close wins... still, I let myself look at it this way from time to time because they were very, very close to winning most of those. Bottom line is, if they had a solid (not great... solid) defense, they stroll into the playoffs with the NFC East crown and double digit victories.

It is pretty tempting to say Dallas will have a better defense this year, and the offense should be better by virtue of an even better offensive line... but each year is different and this season's schedule if flat out brutal.

The team could have a better offense and better defense and not improve their record, which everyone needs to keep in mind (although they won't).

I am a Garrett fan because of how he runs the organization, not because of what he does on gameday. I have no question about the drafts anymore. I used to never trust the picks they made (post Jimmy Johnson), but since Garrett has been here, Dallas has been one of the better drafting teams in the league. Many won't give Garrett responsibility for that, but I think that Jerry Jones thinks so highly of Jason that he lets him have more control over the draft process than anyone since Jimmy... and yes I'm including Parcells.

Literally everything about the organization is improved under Garrett. They make better personnel decisions, they are giving more weight to playing youth and inexperience, and they have stopped paying age and past production. In short, they are running the organization the right way... finally.

I think Garrett has more to do with that than anyone else in the organization. So I absolutely love the direction of the franchise and think that Jason is the right guy to lead them.

However, his game-planning and gameday decisions are a different story. He clearly is a young coach who still has a lot to learn. Garrett is very smart and I have no doubt that he is learning from his mistakes. Will the team be patient enough to let him grow into the job like Tex Schram did Landry? I don't know but Jerry sure does seem patient with him. I hope he gives him enough time.

For me it boils down to this: I think the 2013 8-8 team was way better than the 2011 8-8 team. There has clearly been significant improvement of the personnel since 2010 when Garrett took over. He started out with a team that had a lot of aging, high-priced players on it and made it into one of the youngest rosters in the league.

In Garrett's first game as head coach in 2010, his offensive line consisted of:

Doug Free, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, and Marc Colombo.

In 2014 the starting OL will most likely be:

Tyron Smith, Ron Leary, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, and Doug Free.

Only one starter is the same and he is playing at a different position (LT-RT). That is a complete rebuild.

In 2010 his WR's were:

Miles Austin, Roy Williams, Dez Bryant, Jesse Holley, and Teddy Williams.

The 2014 WR's will most likely be:

Dez Bryant, Terrence Williams, Cole Beasley, Dwayne Harris, and Devin Street. That is a rebuild as well.

2010 RB's were:

Felix Jones, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice.

2014 RB's Most likely:

DeMarco Murray, Lance Dunbar, Ryan Williams, and maybe Randle or Malena.

Again, it is a completely different group.

I won't continue, but the difference in the roster is night and day. Garrett has done a complete overhaul on the team... COMPLETE... and he has never won fewer than 8 games. It is very difficult to do a complete rebuild and not bottom out.

I love the direction of the team, and I love the personnel decisions that have been made for the past few seasons. They're getting younger, they are getting leaner, and they are making decisions based on the right criteria now.

Will Jason Garrett finally get it and be as good of a game day coach as he is at building a team? Well, nobody knows. However, if he does, then I can promise you that Dallas will be in very good shape going forward because every aspect of the team has improved and the all important talent acquisition is happening in all the right ways.
This post and the OP were about as good as I have seen on this forum in a long time.
 

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Remove Romo and Garrett is Campo.

Except Campo had Mike Zimmer as his defensive coordinator for the entire time. The defense was solid to good for the most part through Campo's entire time as the Head Coach.

That is just from a W-L, gameday coach perspective though.

When Campo was there the talent acquisition was horrid. The drafts were full blown disasters in large part. Every aspect of the franchise that I really like now was the complete opposite in the early 2000's.

If you want to argue that Campo was just as good of a gameday coach as Garrett, then go right ahead. However, there is absolutely zero comparison between the two if you're talking the health and direction of the franchise, or the solid foundation that Garrett has laid down.

Campo was just a puppet hanging on for dear life. Garrett is overseeing a franchise that is on the mend and compares favorably to any franchise out there.

That is my whole thing with Garrett... he has helped fix the franchise.
 

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Except Campo had Mike Zimmer as his defensive coordinator for the entire time. The defense was solid to good for the most part through Campo's entire time as the Head Coach.

That is just from a W-L, gameday coach perspective though.

When Campo was there the talent acquisition was horrid. The drafts were full blown disasters in large part. Every aspect of the franchise that I really like now was the complete opposite in the early 2000's.

If you want to argue that Campo was just as good of a gameday coach as Garrett, then go right ahead. However, there is absolutely zero comparison between the two if you're talking the health and direction of the franchise, or the solid foundation that Garrett has laid down.

Campo was just a puppet hanging on for dear life. Garrett is overseeing a franchise that is on the mend and compares favorably to any franchise out there.

That is my whole thing with Garrett... he has helped fix the franchise.

Please name me one adjustment Garrett has made during a game which ended up winning the contest.

The bolded part is subjective. I suggest since Garrett has been with Dallas, and had control of the offense the entire time he has been on board, we've watched Pete Carroll take a Seahawks team and make them into a champ. Pete Carroll.

But Pete had two distinct advantages.

He had been a head coach in both college and the pros before.

Pete Carroll did not have Jerry Jones meddling.
 

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Please name me one adjustment Garrett has made during a game which ended up winning the contest.

The bolded part is subjective. I suggest since Garrett has been with Dallas, and had control of the offense the entire time he has been on board, we've watched Pete Carroll take a Seahawks team and make them into a champ. Pete Carroll.

But Pete had two distinct advantages.

He had been a head coach in both college and the pros before.

Pete Carroll did not have Jerry Jones meddling.

Yeah, Carroll did have advantages. He had been a head coach in the pros (where he didn't do well at all) and at a major college (where he did very well).

Garrett has some catching up to do as a game day coach.

It is the direction of the franchise that I really like. If his game day coaching catches up, we'll be set.
 
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