The defense has forced 12 turnovers through six games

[Toruk_Makto]

It was the system. Everyone got caught off guard by that system. He had huge holes to throw the ball in. He isn't a QB that will fit it in a tight spot. Backups and Cassel and Fitz suck. Terrible QBs but that's how depleted the league is right now with decent backups.

Panthers ran the read option 2 years ago.

None of this explains griffin's accuracy last year. And again out of the league in 5 years? This just shows a lack of football sense.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Panthers ran the read option 2 years ago.

None of this explains griffin's accuracy last year. And again out of the league in 5 years? This just shows a lack of football sense.

What are you talking about? RGOverrated was accurate last year because the read option worked for him and it sucked the LB up and allowed a bunch if 1 on 1 situations with barely any contested defenses. When he was made one dimensional this year he hasn't looked good. You keep pointing to last year. I don't care about last year defenses caught up with the RO and they've done a pretty good job of shutting it down. See Kap and RGOverrated. Don't question my football sense that's a ridiculous statement and you know it. If you are not going to be an accurate pocket passer you won't be in the league.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What are you talking about? RGOverrated was accurate last year because the read option worked for him and it sucked the LB up and allowed a bunch if 1 on 1 situations with barely any contested defenses. When he was made one dimensional this year he hasn't looked good. You keep pointing to last year. I don't care about last year defenses caught up with the RO and they've done a pretty good job of shutting it down. See Kap and RGOverrated. Don't question my football sense that's a ridiculous statement and you know it. If you are not going to be an accurate pocket passer you won't be in the league.

Running for 77 yards is one dimensional?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Running for 77 yards is one dimensional?

He's been 1 dimensional all year and was not feared by the defense his running did not hurt the defense. He struggled in the pocket and struggled reading the defense and his accuracy was terrible. It's obvious he was rattled. But go ahead and quote stats all you want.
Listen in a Cowboys fan my blood bleeds blue and Silver I will never defend or root for a Commanders player ever. You like him that's your deal not mine. I hate anything that has to do with the Niners Giants Packers Commanders Eagles. I have true hate for those teams and their fans. So I don't have to justify my position of a rival teams player.

 

[T-RO]

I don't follow NO that closely so I don't know....what is their injury status look like on defense? Well, compared to Dallas, at least.

I suspect that the Saints haven't sustained as many injuries as the Cowboys have. But my point all along has been that under Ryan we had just as much if not more loss of personnel to injuries as Kif has seen this season.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Seriously.

It's completely ridiculous for someone to evaluate this defense's ability to generate turnovers but not give them an ounce of credit for the whopping five they caused in week 1.

I wonder if they will take Murrays 170+ vs Rams or Romo's 506 from last week out of their totals too?

 

[mldardy]

I wonder if they will take Murrays 170+ vs Rams or Romo's 506 from last week out of their totals too?

Neither count until Murray gets 180+ and Romo passes for 507.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

He's been 1 dimensional all year and was not feared by the defense his running did not hurt the defense. He struggled in the pocket and struggled reading the defense and his accuracy was terrible. It's obvious he was rattled. But go ahead and quote stats all you want.
Listen in a Cowboys fan my blood bleeds blue and Silver I will never defend or root for a Commanders player ever. You like him that's your deal not mine. I hate anything that has to do with the Niners Giants Packers Commanders Eagles. I have true hate for those teams and their fans. So I don't have to justify my position of a rival teams player.

Wait I missed it. Can you explain again how a qb who runs for 77 yards on 9 carries is one dimensional?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

+5 differential games are outliers. That's why the best models screen outliers or have a proper sample size. If you want to make anything about the turnover situation this year, you had better treat that game as what it was - the kind you see once every few years.



The extremely small sample size exaggerates the effect of the outlier - it's why you need to be especially careful when trying to draw meaningful trends when they are included.

If it isn't football then it's car sales - if you are projecting for the year based on an outlier result in a small sample size, you are bound for disappointment. One game is skewing these numbers.

But a football season is by definition a small sample size, from beginning to end, in terms of game averages. There are only 16 total observations. At the end of the season the difference between 16 turnovers and 26 will wind up being important. The average difference will be about 1.63 minus 1 turnover per game, or barely half a turnover per game. But here's the point: that 26 turnover team isn't getting one then two then one then two turnovers per game. They're getting 0 and 1 and 0 and 1 and 2 and 4 and 1 and 2 and so forth. In other words, five turnovers is an outlier but it's also a significant part of the sample size so you really can't treat it just as an outlier. You wanna predict those last 10 games? There's no way to know whether this is a team that got lucky or this is a team that could pull something like that off twice in a season.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I for sure like the turnovers. But The last two seasons our d was way better than this year so far.

 

[IrishAnto]

An N of 5, while only removing the outlier that helps your argument, is too skewed and small a sample set to make predictions about future production. If we remove the other outlier, the Chiefs game in which they failed to force a turnover, you have 6 turnovers over a 4 game span. That's good for 24 turnovers a season, which is roughly an average defense. To take a defense that was one of the worst at forcing turnovers, and turn them into average, would be remarkable.

The only games in which you needed the defense to force more turnovers is the Chiefs and Chargers game. In their third loss, to Denver, it would be very unlikely to force more than 2 turnovers. In their other lackluster turnover game, against the Rams, it was unnecessary.

Much more concerning is the lack of a pass rush against elite teams, rather than this debatable inability to force turnovers.

Being average in generating turnovers won't get this team to where we (as fans) want it to go.

I would estimate that we'd need to generate at least 30 to make and do anything in the playoffs.

When NO won the super bowl (whose defense gave up a ton of years that season just like we’re doing this season) they generated 39 (or thereabouts), so 24 won't cut it for us.

 

[Doomsday101]

after reading the thread it is funny how some want to down play the turnovers because how many we got vs NY. Fact is Dallas is creating turnovers something they have not done is a while. No doubt there are things this defense needs to continue to work on and improve on but there is clear hustle taking place and guys getting after the ball. You continue to do that then the turnovers will continue to happen.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

+5 differential games are outliers. That's why the best models screen outliers or have a proper sample size. If you want to make anything about the turnover situation this year, you had better treat that game as what it was - the kind you see once every few years.



The extremely small sample size exaggerates the effect of the outlier - it's why you need to be especially careful when trying to draw meaningful trends when they are included.

If it isn't football then it's car sales - if you are projecting for the year based on an outlier result in a small sample size, you are bound for disappointment. One game is skewing these numbers.

Let me put it a different way, then I'll leave it be. If your 'outliers' make up 17% of your sample size, then they are not by definition outliers.

 

[Venger]

Well, if your first result is an outlier, you are going to run into that problem - as to small sample sizes, the season is small, but this is even smaller. The thing to look at and which I cannot find a resource for is how common a +5 turnover differential in a game is. It has GOT to be rare. Which again, is why I argue for excluding it when estimating the defense's turnover abilities...

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The D now has 15 TOs through 7 games v. 16 for the entire 2012 season. We also have more interceptions than all of last season (9 v. 7).