The dreaded trade up mock

[tm1119]

Jerry wants a "war daddy" (whatever that actually means) and the way I see it there are 2 options. 1) Free agency 2) The draft. The free agent crop is weak and there are teams with $ to burn so I don't see us being able to get a true "war daddy" in free agency. That leaves option 2. Pass rushers will fly off of the board as usual and Jerry gets antsy. For this hypothetical mock purposes I'll say that Derrick Barnett is still on the board at #18 and we trade up to get him. We trade picks 28(660), 60(300), and 220(5) for picks 18(900) and 114(66)

Round 1- Derrick Barnett DE Tennessee
Round 3- Rasul Douglas CB W Virginia
Round 4A- Chad Hansen WR Cal
Round 4B- Michael Roberts TE Toledo
Round 6- Brandon Bell LB Penn State
Round 7- Jonah Pirsig OT Minnesota

Would you consider this (or something similar) a successful draft? Would a reasonable trade be worth it if we haven't acquired a pass rush by draft time? I'm usually not 1 to advocate trading up, but if a trade like the 1 I mocked is realistic I really might be for it. I think the consequences of losing a draft pick to get a DE is better than giving a marginal free agent pass rusher a contract that could hamper the team down the line. Wouldn't do it for just anyone though.

 

[Nightman]

Jerry wants a "war daddy" (whatever that actually means) and the way I see it there are 2 options. 1) Free agency 2) The draft. The free agent crop is weak and there are teams with $ to burn so I don't see us being able to get a true "war daddy" in free agency. That leaves option 2. Pass rushers will fly off of the board as usual and Jerry gets antsy. For this hypothetical mock purposes I'll say that Derrick Barnett is still on the board at #18 and we trade up to get him. We trade picks 28(660), 60(300), and 220(5) for picks 18(900) and 114(66)

Round 1- Derrick Barnett DE Tennessee
Round 3- Rasul Douglas CB W Virginia
Round 4A- Chad Hansen WR Cal
Round 4B- Michael Roberts TE Toledo
Round 6- Brandon Bell LB Penn State
Round 7- Jonah Pirsig OT Minnesota

Would you consider this (or something similar) a successful draft? Would a reasonable trade be worth it if we haven't acquired a pass rush by draft time? I'm usually not 1 to advocate trading up, but if a trade like the 1 I mocked is realistic I really might be for it. I think the consequences of losing a draft pick to get a DE is better than giving a marginal free agent pass rusher a contract that could hamper the team down the line. Wouldn't do it for just anyone though.

I don't like trading up at all

i would rather trade back this year if a QB falls and teams get desperate

 

[RandyOh]

Jerry wants a "war daddy" (whatever that actually means) and the way I see it there are 2 options. 1) Free agency 2) The draft. The free agent crop is weak and there are teams with $ to burn so I don't see us being able to get a true "war daddy" in free agency. That leaves option 2. Pass rushers will fly off of the board as usual and Jerry gets antsy. For this hypothetical mock purposes I'll say that Derrick Barnett is still on the board at #18 and we trade up to get him. We trade picks 28(660), 60(300), and 220(5) for picks 18(900) and 114(66)

Round 1- Derrick Barnett DE Tennessee
Round 3- Rasul Douglas CB W Virginia
Round 4A- Chad Hansen WR Cal
Round 4B- Michael Roberts TE Toledo
Round 6- Brandon Bell LB Penn State
Round 7- Jonah Pirsig OT Minnesota

Would you consider this (or something similar) a successful draft? Would a reasonable trade be worth it if we haven't acquired a pass rush by draft time? I'm usually not 1 to advocate trading up, but if a trade like the 1 I mocked is realistic I really might be for it. I think the consequences of losing a draft pick to get a DE is better than giving a marginal free agent pass rusher a contract that could hamper the team down the line. Wouldn't do it for just anyone though.

Its definitely something to think about if Barnett has a small slide like that. Would absolutely pull the trigger on a trade like this if we are able to trade Romo for a 3rd or possibly 2nd round pick and a day 2 2018 conditional pick.

 

[bodi]

not bad but at

TE I'd go with Eric Saubert, TE, 6-5 #250 Drake

Jeremy Sprinkle, TE 6-5 256 Ark

 

[batman36]

The Cowboys don't currently own a 5th round pick. Maybe a Romo trade helps the cause.

 

[Setackin]

I'd rather have another DE at the 4A pick and no TE. the Cowboys defense rotates A LOT need more then 1 guy.

 

[tm1119]

not bad but at


Jeremy Sprinkle, TE 6-5 256 Ark

He would be off of my board for stupidity.

I'd rather have another DE at the 4A pick and no TE. the Cowboys defense rotates A LOT need more then 1 guy.

RDE- Barnett and Mayowa
LDE- Lawrence, Irving, Tapper, Ty Crawford

That's a rotation of 6 right there and we will carry Collins, Thornton and at least 1, if not 2, other DT on the 53. Really not a whole lot of room on the roster unless the front office makes a bold move and releases someone already under contract like Crawford or Lawrence. I'm not against that idea, I'm just not going to predict that it happens.

 

[AzorAhai]

Barnett is the only DE who could realistically be in range that I would consider a trade up. I really do hate giving up picks for a team who is so reluctant to add via FA.

The ideal scenario if you're trading up is to move Romo + 28 to the Broncos for 20 + a conditional pick next year dependent on someone being like Barnett being available. That's something that could be worked out before the draft.

 

[Setackin]

He would be off of my board for stupidity.




RDE- Barnett and Mayowa
LDE- Lawrence, Irving, Tapper, Ty Crawford

That's a rotation of 6 right there and we will carry Collins, Thornton and at least 1, if not 2, other DT on the 53. Really not a whole lot of room on the roster unless the front office makes a bold move and releases someone already under contract like Crawford or Lawrence. I'm not against that idea, I'm just not going to predict that it happens.

True, but if they were to draft a guy in the 4th and he shows something, could make mayowa or Randy Gregory expendable. If nothing else it creates tough competition at a position of need.

 

[xwalker]

Jerry wants a "war daddy" (whatever that actually means) and the way I see it there are 2 options. 1) Free agency 2) The draft. The free agent crop is weak and there are teams with $ to burn so I don't see us being able to get a true "war daddy" in free agency. That leaves option 2. Pass rushers will fly off of the board as usual and Jerry gets antsy. For this hypothetical mock purposes I'll say that Derrick Barnett is still on the board at #18 and we trade up to get him. We trade picks 28(660), 60(300), and 220(5) for picks 18(900) and 114(66)

Round 1- Derrick Barnett DE Tennessee
Round 3- Rasul Douglas CB W Virginia
Round 4A- Chad Hansen WR Cal
Round 4B- Michael Roberts TE Toledo
Round 6- Brandon Bell LB Penn State
Round 7- Jonah Pirsig OT Minnesota

Would you consider this (or something similar) a successful draft? Would a reasonable trade be worth it if we haven't acquired a pass rush by draft time? I'm usually not 1 to advocate trading up, but if a trade like the 1 I mocked is realistic I really might be for it. I think the consequences of losing a draft pick to get a DE is better than giving a marginal free agent pass rusher a contract that could hamper the team down the line. Wouldn't do it for just anyone though.

I don't like trading up at all

i would rather trade back this year if a QB falls and teams get desperate

The delta between Barnett and some players that are likely to be available at #28 just does not seem big enough to make it worth a trade up.

I like to consider the probability that a player will be elite.
I would say Barnett is about 80% and Harris is about 70%. If that's how they compare, then it's not worth a big trade up.

I use Harris as an example, but it could be any player available at #28. A CB, WR, Safety, etc..

If Barnett is 95% and all players at #28 are less than 50%, then a trade up might make sense, but I don't think Barnett is a lock to be an elite player.

 

[Nightman]

The delta between Barnett and some players that are likely to be available at #28 just does not seem big enough to make it worth a trade up.

I like to consider the probability that a player will be elite.
I would say Barnett is about 80% and Harris is about 70%. If that's how they compare, then it's not worth a big trade up.

I use Harris as an example, but it could be any player available at #28. A CB, WR, Safety, etc..

If Barnett is 95% and all players at #28 are less than 50%, then a trade up might make sense, but I don't think Barnett is a lock to be an elite player.

Exactly ....... and if we get a deal like we offered last year it is a no-brainer

something like #34 and #66 for #28

 

[tm1119]

The delta between Barnett and some players that are likely to be available at #28 just does not seem big enough to make it worth a trade up.

I like to consider the probability that a player will be elite.
I would say Barnett is about 80% and Harris is about 70%. If that's how they compare, then it's not worth a big trade up.

I use Harris as an example, but it could be any player available at #28. A CB, WR, Safety, etc..

If Barnett is 95% and all players at #28 are less than 50%, then a trade up might make sense, but I don't think Barnett is a lock to be an elite player.

Ehh we'll agree to disagree on the 1st sentence. If we don't get a pass rusher in free agency I think Barnett could be our last chance of getting that impact "war daddy" Jerry spoke of. I don't have a problem with Harris, but I'd definitely put him in a tier pretty clearly behind Barnett.

But you're right in that it will come down to how scouts/coaches rank the rushers. If the grades are similar it obviously won't be worth it.

 

[ghst187]

I'd be more against trading away a second round pick if we weren't so consistent about blowing them

 

[reddyuta]

this draft is deep,trading away a 3rd RD pick where we are bound to get day 1 starter is a non starter for me.

 

[RandyOh]

I'd be more against trading away a second round pick if we weren't so consistent about blowing them

Ha true. maybe this type of 2nd round gamble would actually work out for us.

 

[KingintheNorth]