The Eagles Jalen Hurts problem

[TheRunningMan]

Yeah you right. I only watch the Cowboys. Ive been to more NFL games than you've probably been to Pop Warner games. Even though all of the other NFL teams that I've seen play have different logos, names and cities than the Dallas Cowboys..... I guess i thought those were different versions of the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah you're right. I only watch the Cowboys.

I get it.... you really had nothing informative to say so you just assumed I only watch the Cowboys.

Oh, about those All-Pros. Amazing accomplishments, no doubt, but he still hasn't won a Superbowl like Dilfer and Foles. Hell, he hasn't even made it to the Superbowl like Rex Grossman and Colin Kaepernick.

I'll leave you with this.... which players are remembered, the players with an All-Pro(s) or the players with a Superbowl ring(s)? I haven't seen any All-Pro rings or All-Pro banners hanging from the rafters.

Last I checked, the goal is to win Superbowls. All-Pro awards are nice.

Great post, you have some very good points in there. Some points you made about what Dak needs to succeed could be said about most quarterbacks though.

Whats mind boggling is the Cowboys record vs the Eagles with Dak at the helm is 10-5. The Eagles record vs the Cowboys with Jalen Hurts at the helm is 5-4.

Im still surprised that a 32nd ranked cowboys defense last year shut the high powered, All-Pro laden, Hurts led Eagles offense down.

Lol you sound hurt. I don't care about your personal life or NFL game watching resume. But since you want to have a pee pee measuring contest...

Considering that I played at the college D1 level and have friends in the NFL and on the NFL staffs. The only way you have been or seen more NFL games than me is if you were born in the 50's. And a teenager in the 60s.

And going to games the majority of your life.

Look at you coping. Talking about what the 32nd ranked defense did to the Eagles last year. Yall went 7 -9 - 1 sir. Relax!

Whats crazy to me is that Dak and the Cowboys 10 - 5 recod against the Eagles. Have netted them 2 playoff wins in his career. While the 5 - 4 Hurts led Eagles have been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1 during that span.

But as i have already stated. We know that beating the Eagles is yall Super Bowl. So you enjoy that.

And I am not sure why you are saying Hurts hasnt won a Super Bowl like Dilfer and Foles. When you were trying to compare Jalen Hurts to Dilfer -- I exlpicitly said how many All Pros had Dilfer won in his career? If you think Trent Dilfer is in the same level as Jalen Hurts as a qb? Then you need to watch and go to more NFL games and get a better glass perscription.

I mean last time I checked the NFL didnt have Dilfer as one of their Super Bowl Legends or as an ambassader for the game.

Also the Eagles didn't have any All Pros last year on offense. I get that you are in your feelings and trying to be cute. But let's stick to reality.

 

[TheRunningMan]

The kellen moore factor
Builds a system to make average quarterbacks look great

Kellen Moore is a great offensive mind. Dak and Jalen are not "average" qbs.

 

[GINeric]

Lol you sound hurt. I don't care about your personal life or NFL game watching resume. But since you want to have a pee pee measuring contest...

Considering that I played at the college D1 level and have friends in the NFL and on the NFL staffs. The only way you have been or seen more NFL games than me is if you were born in the 50's. And a teenager in the 60s.

And going to games the majority of your life.

Look at you coping. Talking about what the 32nd ranked defense did to the Eagles last year. Yall went 7 -9 - 1 sir. Relax!

Whats crazy to me is that Dak and the Cowboys 10 - 5 recod against the Eagles. Have netted them 2 playoff wins in his career. While the 5 - 4 Hurts led Eagles have been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1 during that span.

But as i have already stated. We know that beating the Eagles is yall Super Bowl. So you enjoy that.

And I am not sure why you are saying Hurts hasnt won a Super Bowl like Dilfer and Foles. When you were trying to compare Jalen Hurts to Dilfer -- I exlpicitly said how many All Pros had Dilfer won in his career? If you think Trent Dilfer is in the same level as Jalen Hurts as a qb? Then you need to watch and go to more NFL games and get a better glass perscription.

I mean last time I checked the NFL didnt have Dilfer as one of their Super Bowl Legends or as an ambassader for the game.

Also the Eagles didn't have any All Pros last year on offense. I get that you are in your feelings and trying to be cute. But let's stick to reality.

Why would I be hurt or in my feelings just talking about football lil bro? That doesn't make sense my guy.

And for the record, you never singled out Hurts when talking about All-Pros. When I mentioned Dilfer and Foles, I was purely talking about how they won Superbowls. You asked how many All-Pro did they have and I made the point that Superbowl wins trump All-Pros.

Nowhere did I say that they were better than Hurts or nowhere did I say Hurts didn't win a Superbowl.

So actually you're the one who got all emotional, soft and sensitive. Thats the typical behavior of most Eagles fans. Extra sensitive, soft and emotional.

I don't know where you get this "beating the Eagles is my Superbowl". Please lil bro. Thats Nowhere near a Superbowl for me. When they beat the Eagles, its just a good win against a great team who happens to be a division rival. Ive been fortunate enough to have been to the Cowboys 90's superbowls and also a few other superbowls throughout the years of other teams outside of the Cowboys obviously.

So i know what a Superbowl is to me. Its the actual Superbowl, not beating an Eagles team. You obviously got me mixed up with someone else.

With that said, Dilfer still has the same amount of Superbowl victories as Hurts. Thats facts over feelings lil bro. You can slice it and dice it any way you want. Once your feelings, rants and lil tantrums go away, that truth will still be there. Dilfer has one Superbowl victory.... Hurts has one Superbowl victory.....

Thats commendable because there are lots of quarterbacks who don't have ANY Superbowl victories. Kudos to Hurts for getting one.

 

[noshame]

Kellen Moore is a great offensive mind. Dak and Jalen are not "average" qbs.

Put them in a offense with average talent in a standard system and you'll get average results with both of them.

 

[TheRunningMan]

Why would I be hurt or in my feelings just talking about football lil bro? That doesn't make sense my guy.

And for the record, you never singled out Hurts when talking about All-Pros. When I mentioned Dilfer and Foles, I was purely talking about how they won Superbowls. You asked how many All-Pro did they have and I made the point that Superbowl wins trump All-Pros.

Nowhere did I say that they were better than Hurts or nowhere did I say Hurts didn't win a Superbowl.

So actually you're the one who got all emotional, soft and sensitive. Thats the typical behavior of most Eagles fans. Extra sensitive, soft and emotional.

I don't know where you get this "beating the Eagles is my Superbowl". Please lil bro. Thats Nowhere near a Superbowl for me. When they beat the Eagles, its just a good win against a great team who happens to be a division rival. Ive been fortunate enough to have been to the Cowboys 90's superbowls and also a few other superbowls throughout the years of other teams outside of the Cowboys obviously.

So i know what a Superbowl is to me. Its the actual Superbowl, not beating an Eagles team. You obviously got me mixed up with someone else.

With that said, Dilfer still has the same amount of Superbowl victories as Hurts. Thats facts over feelings lil bro. You can slice it and dice it any way you want. Once your feelings, rants and lil tantrums go away, that truth will still be there. Dilfer has one Superbowl victory.... Hurts has one Superbowl victory.....

Thats commendable because there are lots of quarterbacks who don't have ANY Superbowl victories. Kudos to Hurts for getting one.

Whatever you say "pops". I say you're emotional, you say I'm emotional. Real orginnal quality stuff there. I said why I singled out Hurts and his All Pros. Because you were trying to invalidate the dudes success, like you are doing now. By saying little cute stuff like "even Trent Dilfer got a Super Bowl." I realize with all this pontification you're doing about your personal life history, and obsessive fan fiction about the state of my "emotions"after being called out about yours. . . LOL you may have got caught up. It's okay I understand you older folks get tired, cranky and sometimes confused.

And I completely agree once your feelings, and 'widdle' rants go away, the truth will still be: both Dilfer and Hurts have something that nobody on the current team you cheer for and are talking about have, while playing with said team. And Jalen Hurts will STILL be 1 of the only 2 qbs. In NFL history to have posted the metrics and stat lines (70+ completion % with multiple TDS) in the Superbowls (plural) he's played in next to Tom Brady. Crazy.

Yes we agree being a champion is commendable. In another news the sun rises in the east and water is wet.

 

[lukin1966]

He has been to two Super Bowls and has quarterbacked them to a Super Bowl victory. I would love that kind of problem here in Dallas. I dream of that problem…

 

[Nova]

He has been to two Super Bowls and has quarterbacked them to a Super Bowl victory. I would love that kind of problem here in Dallas. I dream of that problem…

He's good enough to get the job done and fits their team and city really well.

Is he in the elite tier? No, of course not.

But he's got the respect of his team and he shows up in the big moments.

 

[kskboys]

He's good enough to get the job done and fits their team and city really well.

Is he in the elite tier? No, of course not.

But he's got the respect of his team and he shows up in the big moments.

Until last season when he didn't. Easy to "show up" when your D completely squushes the other team's O.

 

[kskboys]

Kellen Moore is a great offensive mind. Dak and Jalen are not "average" qbs.

Sucky QBs?

 

[TheRunningMan]

Until last season when he didn't. Easy to "show up" when your D completely squushes the other team's O.

Yeah thats kinda how football games work. The offense is supposed to score. And the defense is supposed to limit the other team from scoring. And when you actually build a solid team, one unit can help make up for the other units defecincies.

I will never understand this logic of knocking an individuals success or failures bc of the TEAMS success.

There has NEVER been a qb that won a Super Bowl that didn't have a GREAT team around them.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah thats kinda how football games work. The offense is supposed to score. And the defense is supposed to limit the other team from scoring. And when you actually build a solid team, one unit can help make up for the other units defecincies.

I will never understand this logic of knocking an individuals success or failures bc of the TEAMS success.

There has NEVER been a qb that won a Super Bowl that didn't have a GREAT team around them.

Absolutely. However, hard to understand the extreme buildup of a player who is elevated due to having a great team around him. Works both ways.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

That's not a fact. We have no clue how Dak would perform on any team other than the Cowboys bc we don't have any evidence to that. Its wild to say, " Dak has been apart of the Cowboys NOT elevating their game in the playoffs."
But then in the next breathe say he would be better for a team than the guy where have actual evidence of him ELEVATING his game in the playoffs.

Lol make it make sense.

How does it not make sense?

If the rest of the Cowboys elevated their game a sub-par performance by the QB can be overcome. The Steelers won a Super Bowl over Seattle with Ben Roethlisberger completing 9 of 23 passes with two interceptions.

My comment simply is an admittance that Dak Prescott has been part of the postseason issues... but not the ONLY issue. And maybe if there weren't so many other issues, we can make it about more than just one player. Because any sensible fan realizes it takes a team to make a playoff run.

 

[kskboys]

How does it not make sense?

If the rest of the Cowboys elevated their game a sub-par performance by the QB can be overcome. The Steelers won a Super Bowl over Seattle with Ben Roethlisberger completing 9 of 23 passes with two interceptions.

My comment simply is an admittance that Dak Prescott has been part of the postseason issues... but not the ONLY issue. And maybe if there weren't so many other issues, we can make it about more than just one player. Because any sensible fan realizes it takes a team to make a playoff run.

And Dak might be better if he wasn't forced to play Hero Ball just to have a chance.

 

[DarkVader33]

How does it not make sense?

If the rest of the Cowboys elevated their game a sub-par performance by the QB can be overcome. The Steelers won a Super Bowl over Seattle with Ben Roethlisberger completing 9 of 23 passes with two interceptions.

My comment simply is an admittance that Dak Prescott has been part of the postseason issues... but not the ONLY issue. And maybe if there weren't so many other issues, we can make it about more than just one player. Because any sensible fan realizes it takes a team to make a playoff run.

You need to stop that right now, mister!!! It’s ALL Dak’s fault and no one else’s.

 

[TheRunningMan]

How does it not make sense?

If the rest of the Cowboys elevated their game a sub-par performance by the QB can be overcome. The Steelers won a Super Bowl over Seattle with Ben Roethlisberger completing 9 of 23 passes with two interceptions.

My comment simply is an admittance that Dak Prescott has been part of the postseason issues... but not the ONLY issue. And maybe if there weren't so many other issues, we can make it about more than just one player. Because any sensible fan realizes it takes a team to make a playoff run.

Bc youn have no clue how Dak would perfom on another team with a different culture and and different setting. You cannot dictate what would.happen based off the stats with a seperate team. Just like we don't know how Hurts would perform. The reason the Eagles have Aj brown? Bc of Hurts. Would they still have AJ with Dak? Could you say that? We don't know. And there is no way to know. Nuance isn't on just stat sheets.

But what is known is Jalen Hurts has won at the highest level on EVERY team he has been on. Since high school through, college, and into the pros. Dakota Prescott has not. Those are the stone cold a facts. Yes there are different variables.

But if you're gonna sit here and place a premium on Daks stats and resume on teams that haven't won. But look at Hurts stats and resume on teams that have won and say, "yeah he wouldnt win or make the playoffs with another team."

You are being disingenuine with the logic of your thought process, based on biased metrics and subjectivity.

 

[kskboys]

Bc youn have no clue how Dak would perfom on another team with a different culture and and different setting. You cannot dictate what would.happen based off the stats with a seperate team.

In reality Jalen Hurts has won at the highest level on EVERY team he has been on. Dak has not. Thats a fact.

But if you're gonna sit here and place a premium on Daks stats and resume on teams that haven't won. But look at Hurts stats and resume and say, "yeah he wouldnt win or make the playoffs with A team."

You are being disengenuine with the logic of your thought process, based in biased metrics and subjectivity.

Yeah, stats are almost irrelevant when comparing QBs.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Bc youn have no clue how Dak would perfom on another team with a different culture and and different setting. You cannot dictate what would.happen based off the stats with a seperate team. Just like we don't know how Hurts would perform. The reason the Eagles have Aj brown? Bc of Hurts. Would they still have AJ with Dak? Could you say that? We don't know. And there is no way to know. Nuance isn't on just stat sheets.

But what is known is Jalen Hurts has won at the highest level on EVERY team he has been on. Since high school through, college, and into the pros. Dakota Prescott has not. Those are the stone cold a facts. Yes there are different variables.

But if you're gonna sit here and place a premium on Daks stats and resume on teams that haven't won. But look at Hurts stats and resume on teams that have won and say, "yeah he wouldnt win or make the playoffs with another team."

You are being disingenuine with the logic of your thought process, based on biased metrics and subjectivity.

Well, if you can say "you have no clue how Dak would perform on another team with a different culture and setting" can't we say the same about Hurts? How would Hurts perform surrounded by the Jets' talent? Would he win big? Or isn't that being biased and subjective?

And do a little research about Dak before making statements like "he hasn't won at the highest level at any team he's been on". Dak led his high school team to a 12-1 record in 2010 and led them to the Division 1-AAAA championship. Four years later Dak led a talent-starved Mississippi State team to rank number one in the country. He carried that program. The only players on that MSU team that even played snaps in the NFL were Dak, Preston Smith, and Elgton Jenkins.

Also I never once mentioned Dak's stats or compared them to Hurts' stats. I simply made a statement that Dak is good enough to win at the highest level (as are most QB's that have been in the NFL as long as him) if the team around him is good enough. Sam Darnold just won a Super Bowl after being discarded by the Jets, Panthers, 49ers, and Vikings. If I said 12 months ago that Sam Darnold was good enough to win a championship I would have been laughed at until he did it.

 

[GINeric]

Whatever you say "pops". I say you're emotional, you say I'm emotional. Real orginnal quality stuff there. I said why I singled out Hurts and his All Pros. Because you were trying to invalidate the dudes success, like you are doing now. By saying little cute stuff like "even Trent Dilfer got a Super Bowl." I realize with all this pontification you're doing about your personal life history, and obsessive fan fiction about the state of my "emotions"after being called out about yours. . . LOL you may have got caught up. It's okay I understand you older folks get tired, cranky and sometimes confused.

And I completely agree once your feelings, and 'widdle' rants go away, the truth will still be: both Dilfer and Hurts have something that nobody on the current team you cheer for and are talking about have, while playing with said team. And Jalen Hurts will STILL be 1 of the only 2 qbs. In NFL history to have posted the metrics and stat lines (70+ completion % with multiple TDS) in the Superbowls (plural) he's played in next to Tom Brady. Crazy.

Yes we agree being a champion is commendable. In another news the sun rises in the east and water is wet.

You said i tried to invalidate Hurts for his Superbowl win. I already said Kudos to Hurts for winning a Superbowl because there are quarterbacks who have never won one.

Which part of that is invalidating Hurts?

The problem here is you're emotional because I told the truth about Dilfer having the same amount of Superbowl wins.

Thats just facts lil bro, dont shoot the messenger for just speaking about something that really happened.

Look. Here's a lil piece of advice for you specifically. Get out of your emotions. Stop being soft. Toughen up a lil bit. Its just a conversation about what really happened in football. Stop getting angry at the truth. It's really exposes the weakness in you.

Toughen up a lil bit lil bro. Get out of your feelings about the truth of what happened in football. Thats for the weak and soft people. Thats not a good look my guy.

 

[Swagger]

How does it not make sense?

If the rest of the Cowboys elevated their game a sub-par performance by the QB can be overcome. The Steelers won a Super Bowl over Seattle with Ben Roethlisberger completing 9 of 23 passes with two interceptions.

My comment simply is an admittance that Dak Prescott has been part of the postseason issues... but not the ONLY issue. And maybe if there weren't so many other issues, we can make it about more than just one player. Because any sensible fan realizes it takes a team to make a playoff run.

Ben Roethlisberger was on a rookie contract not the highest paid player in NFL history.

Everyone knows that it takes a good team to win the Superbowl. Obviously.

The big issue with Dak Prescott has been his contract.

Sam Darnold has pretty much put up Dak Prescott type numbers in his last two regular seasons and realistically those are the only good teams Darnold has had to play with. Yet his contract is $55 million guaranteed over 3 years. Dak Prescott is being paid $231 million guaranteed over 4 years.

It's so much harder to build a team good enough to win the Superbowl when he is massively overpaid.

It means the front office have to hit with countless draft picks and bargain free agency signings to pick up the slack.

 

[Swagger]

You said i tried to invalidate Hurts for his Superbowl win. I already said Kudos to Hurts for winning a Superbowl because there are quarterbacks who have never won one.

Which part of that is invalidating Hurts?

The problem here is you're emotional because I told the truth about Dilfer having the same amount of Superbowl wins.

Thats just facts lil bro, dont shoot the messenger for just speaking about something that really happened.

Look. Here's a lil piece of advice for you specifically. Get out of your emotions. Stop being soft. Toughen up a lil bit. Its just a conversation about what really happened in football. Stop getting angry at the truth. It's really exposes the weakness in you.

Toughen up a lil bit lil bro. Get out of your feelings about the truth of what happened in football. Thats for the weak and soft people. Thats not a good look my guy.

Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl over 20 years ago.

The reality is that with the way the rules are these days which favour the offenses and quarterbacks to pile up the stats, teams simply cannot win a Superbowl with a quarterback like that.

Dilfer played 4 games when winning the Superbowl. Threw 590 yards. 3 touchdowns. 1 interception.

By way of comparison Foles played 3 games when winning the Superbowl. Threw 971 yards. 6 touchdowns. 1 interception.

Darnold only played 3 games. 672 yards. 5 touchdowns. 0 interceptions. Crucially he showed up big in a shootout against the Rams.

Hurts played 4 games. 910 total yards. 10 total touchdowns. 1 interception.

I just don't understand the continuous references to Trent Dilfer who doesn't really bear any relevance to the modern game over the past 10 years.