The Guard Rotation?

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I hope Waters improves, because he looked old and slow out there. Sort of looks like Bernie.
 

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He better get better fast, because we will be unable to compete with him playing

/sarcasm
 

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Waters did not play particularly well. He got blown up at the goalline on Murray's second down and goal at the 2 (second redzone trip) and probably cost Murray the TD. He gave up a sack to Kendall Langford. And he got a holding penalty on first drive of the second half when we were in the red zone. He did some good things as well. But he still needs some time to round into shape, and fortunately, Berny had a good game.

Big problem here is expecting an OG to win evry battle
 

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What do you mean worked? The OL was awful. If by worked you mean the combination of Free and Parnell were better than horrid but probably not as good as what we've been seeing lately then yeah, it "worked".

Hey isn't it about time you put a pic of Carr in a Cowboys jersey in your sig? Get that red clown suit outta here!
 

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I suspect we'll know one way or the other if they're still rotating by the bye week.

I agree, I find it interesting he was not running with the 1's most of last week, then he makes comments he is ready to play a full game, but coaches calls. Maybe I had had unrealistic expectations, based on what he had done in the past, but I thought he would be starting by now.

Be interesting to see who is running with the 1's when practice starts this week.

If he ends up being not what they thought from a performance perspective, no one will ever say it, we will just see this rotation continue.

I certainly am hoping it is just taking a little long to work off the rust.
 

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I agree, I find it interesting he was not running with the 1's most of last week, then he makes comments he is ready to play a full game, but coaches calls. Maybe I had had unrealistic expectations, based on what he had done in the past, but I thought he would be starting by now.

Be interesting to see who is running with the 1's when practice starts this week.

If he ends up being not what they thought from a performance perspective, no one will ever say it, we will just see this rotation continue.

I certainly am hoping it is just taking a little long to work off the rust.
You wouldn't be the only one with unrealistic expectations... I had none since I wasn't a big proponent of pulling guys off the couch to start on my favorite team's OL.

That said, I think this rotation makes sense in the short-term that they're making Bernie elevate his game to stay on the field, while giving the guy who was brought in to replace him reps to get up to speed after such a long layoff.
 

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You rotate your G's when you don't really have any. Whenever the Cowboys upgrade those positions you won't see any rotation.

That's one reason. It's why we rotated RT last season, anyway.
In this case, though, the guy we're rotating in sat out a year and missed all of training camp. It's pretty obvious why we're rotating right now. Also, I'd throw in that there was a lot of caterwauling about the prospect of Mackenzie Bernardeau starting at RG for us this season and the team's overall lack of commitment to improving the OL. Not only did they prove that wrong by going out and committing to a quality FA before the season started; it turns out, the OL they had in mind in the first place has so far been capable of performing at a fairly high level for Tony.

And that's because OG play is not what wins football games in this league. Ball control, passing offense, and passing defense is what wins games. We already had a quality passing offense. Improving pass D and the turnover differential does wonders.
 

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It seems like people in here had too much confidence in a 36 year old who's taken a year off of NFL work....didn't have a training camp....this wasn't going to be a signing that was going to come in and immediately work for them. Its a "process" lol. But it literally is. They're working him in slow. Either way its working. What's to complain about?
 

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That's one reason. It's why we rotated RT last season, anyway.
In this case, though, the guy we're rotating in sat out a year and missed all of training camp. It's pretty obvious why we're rotating right now. Also, I'd throw in that there was a lot of caterwauling about the prospect of Mackenzie Bernardeau starting at RG for us this season and the team's overall lack of commitment to improving the OL. Not only did they prove that wrong by going out and committing to a quality FA before the season started; it turns out, the OL they had in mind in the first place has so far been capable of performing at a fairly high level for Tony.

And that's because OG play is not what wins football games in this league. Ball control, passing offense, and passing defense is what wins games. We already had a quality passing offense. Improving pass D and the turnover differential does wonders.

Yeah, you've tried to sell that to me many times. I'm never buying it.

When a football fan comes up to me and says, "look here, games aren't won or lost in the trenches", I just do a Robert DeNiro smile and try to avoid eye contact.
 

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It seems like people in here had too much confidence in a 36 year old who's taken a year off of NFL work....didn't have a training camp....this wasn't going to be a signing that was going to come in and immediately work for them. Its a "process" lol. But it literally is. They're working him in slow. Either way its working. What's to complain about?

I ran from pitchforks two weeks ago when I questioned if he could play the entire game against the Chiefs.
 

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Yeah, you've tried to sell that to me many times. I'm never buying it.

When a football fan comes up to me and says, "look here, games aren't won or lost in the trenches", I just do a Robert DeNiro smile and try to avoid eye contact.

Oh, I'm not selling you on anything. I know you won't buy it. That would entail admitting how wrong you were about it, and you'd never do that.

It doesn't change the fact that turnover differential and passing effectiveness is what wins football games. And, while line play factors into that, we see Every. Single. Week. examples where teams win football games--Superbowls, even--while losing one or more of the battles in the trenches.

But that's off-topic. This thread's about why we're rotating our RGs. We're doing it to get Waters into football shape, exactly as the head coach said in his post-game press conference, and not because neither of the guys can play. So, basically you're wrong about that in the same way you were wrong about our talent on the DL or our ability to protect Tony Romo with our season-starting OL in the first place. I'd be avoiding eye contact with everybody about now, too, if I were you, Risen. :)
 
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