The head coach search/offseason so far

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I was ready for Jerry to dump Parcells all season until the emergence of Romo. When Romo emerged, I still thought Parcells should just finish out the year. He was clearly burnt. Then Romo started getting very sloppy with the ball. It occurred to me that we should bring Parcells back for one more year to ensure we had a head coach who could get and hold Romo's attention, and so our staff, scheme, and playbook would remain unchanged at this early stage of Romo's development.

Then Parcells decided he would not come back. I am greatly disappointed in how this all came about. 3 years ago, the plan was for Parcells to be replaced by Defensive Coordinator Mike Zimmer, who made a name for himself as a star defensive coordinator under Dave Campo. Zimmer was the lone retainee from Campo's staff. Parcells respected his fire, work ethic, and the fact that he was a "football guy".

Zimmer ran the 4-3 with Roy Williams attacking the line of scrimmage with great regularity. As the years passed, Parcells drafted players that fit his crappy, pansy 3-4 scheme, and began to insist the cowboys play that dog scheme. All year pass coverage has been spotty at best and towards the end of this season, you saw the cowboys defense totally melt down as the players lacked the skillset and confidence to execute Parcells' defense. As the losses mounted, Bill seemed to sour on Zimmer. As Bill had Jerry's ear, (or perhaps coincidentally) so, it seems, did Jerry.

When the season ended, it was said it would be about 5 days until we heard Parcell's decision on whether or not to return. It turned out to be weeks. Why? Did Parcells not know what kind of unrest that would create for the coaching staff? Jerry refused to extend coaches, not knowing if Parcells would return. Zimmer would be advised he would be allowed to return next year if Parcells returned, but no gurantees beyond that. Without knowing whether or not Parcells would be back, Zimmer bit when a more solid offer of continued employment as a defensive coordinator was offerred by Atlanta. Atlanta will let him coach the 4-3.

I beleive Parcells is kind of a dick. I think the idea that he leaves teams in great shape for his successors is very much overstated, if not a flat out erronious assumption created by the NY media. I think it stung Parcell's pride that Belicheck is flat out a better coach than Parcells. Belichek didn't win in NE because Parcells left him Drew Bledsoe and a collection of spotty middling talent. Belicheck won because is a defensive mastermind and he developed the second coming of Joe Montana. Both coaches are of similar caliber in team management and force of personality, but there is evidence to suggest that Bellichek pays more attention to detail and is much more ingenious and intuitive in his defensive playcalling and schemes and his use of players on both sides of the ball. There is also much to suggest that Belichek's assistants are expected to add to his schemes while Parcells expects his just to execute his vision.

I fully expected Parcells to screw over Dallas on the way out so his successor would be less successful that he was, and I think sadly I have been proven right.

Mike Zimmer would have been the PERFECT coach to take over this franchise, and that is why I think Parcells ran him out. I believe Zimmer is Belichek in the making. He is a feircly driven defensive coordinator who puts in obnoxious hours studying film. He is a driven, veteran hardass, who has multiple seasons having seen Bill manage a team. He is ready to be a head coach.

Dallas could have moved him up to head coach, retained all of the offensive staff and easily have shifted back to the 4-3 scheme. Williams would have been properly utilized again and the defensive linemen would have a much better shot of developing in a scheme that let them attack rather than just catching blocks and protecting LBs.

Offensively, this would have been pretty darned good for Tony Romo. Romo makes plays. Regardless of who you bring in, Romo will make plays. He has that knack. But like former Seattle QB Dave Kreig (another undrafted QB who went to pro bowls) Romo has a real problem with fumbling. Romo got the right kind of coaching this year --- a system that suited his skills and a head coach who demanded his attention and insisted he focus on not turning the ball over.

Head coaches who are former defensive coordinators are usually the ones who rant about not turning the ball over. The intense Zimmer would have gotten and held Romo's attention and made him focus. Even if Dallas still lost passing coordinator Todd Haley, QB Coach Chris Palmer (a long time successful NFL offensive coordinator and one of the people Romo credits for his success) could have run the same scheme VERY competently as the team's offensive coordinator, allowing the current apple of Jerry's eye, the raw Jason Garrett, to step into the "passing game coordinator/QB coach" position.

Instead Jerry has Garrett on as the team Offensive coordinator and near future head coach-in-waiting. Quite the bitter pill for any outside candidate.

Additionally, there are rumours Dan Reeves called Jerry hat-in-hand asking for a chance to interview for the position and that Jerry blew him off. If that is true (no reason to beleive it isn't), was it part of Jerry's ego problem in dealing with the fact that there was a tem before him? More of his apparent jealous of the loyalty Tom Landry and rest of the old triumverate earned? Or has someone in an advisory position (Parcells) convinced Jerry that he needs a younger head coach? Or maybe Jerry watched Parcells struggle and drew that conclusion himself. Or Maybe Parcells flat out told Jerry Reeves was a poor candidate for the job.

I frankly am hugely disappointed that he wasn't even interviewed. I have not been a huge fan of Reeves as a coach historically. I think his hard headedness in Denver really hindered the development of John Elway. (Remember Elway was a 60+% passer in college; a 57% passer under Reeves; and a 60+% passer after Reeves.) In addition, his refusal to bring in a legit 1000 yard rusher was the main reason those broncho teams imploded in the superbowl.

Season Team Regular Season Post Season
Record Finish Record Finish
1981 Denver Broncos 10-6 2nd -- AFC West --
1982 Denver Broncos 2-7 12th -- AFC --
1983 Denver Broncos 9-7 T2nd -- AFC West 0-1 Lost Wild Card Playoffs
1984 Denver Broncos 13-3 1st -- AFC West 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1985 Denver Broncos 11-5 2nd -- AFC West --
1986 Denver Broncos 11-5 1st -- AFC West 2-1 Lost Superbowl
1987 Denver Broncos 10-4-1 1st -- AFC West 2-1 Lost Superbowl
1988 Denver Broncos 8-8 2nd -- AFC West --
1989 Denver Broncos 11-5 1st -- AFC West 2-1 Lost Superbowl
1990 Denver Broncos 5-11 5th -- AFC West --
1991 Denver Broncos 12-4 1st -- AFC West 1-1 Lost Conference Championship
1992 Denver Broncos 8-8 3rd -- AFC West --


All that said, I think he had to eat a lot of humble pie in the years since and he has become a better coach at each stop since then because of it. He took over Parcell's fading giants after Ray Handley couldn't win and kept the team respectable until Phil Simms retired.

1993 New York Giants 11-5 2nd -- NFC East 1-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1994 New York Giants 9-7 2nd -- NFC East --
1995 New York Giants 5-11 4th -- NFC East --
1996 New York Giants 6-10 5th -- NFC East --

He took over atlanta and took them to the superbowl, before injuries crushed that thin roster. He then broke in Michael Vick and got the best run of play from Vick that any NFL coach has, by tailoring the offense to suit Vick's skills. Then Vick went down and Reeves was fired.

1997 Atlanta Falcons 7-9 T2nd -- NFC West --
1998 Atlanta Falcons 14-2 1st -- NFC West 2-1 Lost Superbowl
1999 Atlanta Falcons 5-11 3rd -- NFC West --
2000 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 5th -- NFC West --
2001 Atlanta Falcons 7-9 T3rd -- NFC West --
2002 Atlanta Falcons 9-6-1 2nd -- NFC South 1-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
2003 Atlanta Falcons 3-10 4th -- NFC South --
Career 190-165-2 11-9

Reeves may not be the kind of long term candidate Jerry wants but short term I think he would totally fit the bill. He is a proven winner who generally wins at least half of his games when he makes the playoffs. He runs a tight ship with no preferrential treatment. Rumor is Jerry wanted to bring in Garrent to lear to be a head coach under Parcells. Reeves could teach Garrett the same skills, and unlike Parcells, Reeves only hidden agendas would likely be a desire to coach his mentor's team and few more shots at winning a superbowl with a team with an above-average talent base.

Instead it looks like Troy Aikman's endless campaigning for Norv Turner may land him in Dallas.

I am not a Turner fan. He is a great offensive coordinator, but history suggests that if you make him a head coach, he is moved away from his area of expertise. As a head coach, his teams turn the ball over more frequently than they do when he is the coordinator. For this reason, I question the logic that suggests he will be the kind of head coach who gets the best out of Romo.

Additionally, Turner's system made a star of Aikman, a statuesque pocket passer who was extremely accurate on short and medium passes when he got in rythm. Tony Romo has nearly a dimetrically opposite skillset. Romo is best when plays break down and he is flushed from the pocket and sans his reads on the move to see who his scramble has freed. He is at his WORST when he is bottled up in the pocket. 90's cowboys fans won't want to hear this, but it doesn't make it any less true. Aikman's career was rescued by Turner's system because it did not require him to read defenses. He just had to put the ball at a certain place at a certain time. Now he WAS brilliant at that, but you need to acknowledge it. Romo's best skill is reading defenses.

Finally, as a head coach (58-82-1 in the regular season) Turner's teams do not seem especially disciplined or well coached overall. His losing career record to me makes it a no brainer that he is not the guy you want to turn over this team to if you consider it a superbowl contender---as Jerry and most cowboy fans do.

The other early front runner was Wade Phillips, a bit of a defensive version of Norv Turner in that he is not on anyone else's coach search. He is at least a competent short term head coach (ie. 48-39 regular season record.), although his record suggests he cannot hold a team's attention for longer than 2-3 seasons. Maybe that works for Jerry as he would finally have a coach who he could buddy around with and do toasts after games. Phillips would certainly have the team in the playoffs next year, but he would only continue to teach Garrett how average NFL coaches run teams. Phillips would find a way to push a couple of our defensive player's buttons and to get them to perform in the 3-4, so as much as I hate that pansy scheme, I cannot totally discount him.

I was thorougly disgusted a couple of weeks ago as Phillips and Turner, two coaches owning a combined 1-5 playoff record in 14 combined seasons as head coaches, were the cream of the Dallas candidate crop. (The Cardinals interviewed a MUCH stronger pool of candidates.) I think I was not alone. Either due to fan outrage or due to Jerry himself questioning if these were strong enough candates, he decided extend his interviews. He has interviewed Mike Singletary as his rooney rule candidate. I think Singletary will one day be a very good NFL head coach, but who like Garrett is probably too raw and is probably not yet a guy to whom you would want to give the reigns of a "legitimate super bowl contender".

Jones is set to interview Bears Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera, but that might be a semi-lateral move to become the cowboys defensive coordinator under a Norv Turner regime. There are reports that Jerry considers Phillips very much still in the running. I think Jerry realizes he has to fix the defense, but likes Norv a little better even though Norv is the lesser candidate. Chicago pays their coaches very poorly. Most of the NFL head coaching slots are already filled. Riviera probably doesn't have a head coaching gig in the NFL this year unless Jerry offers it, so why not take a 1-2 year, well paying gig as "defensive coordinator/Assistant head coach" to turnaround Dallas's defense under turner? If Rivera can spur one of the talented young linemen to develop (good odds), get Carpenter to become a decent cover LB (good odds), get Jerry to spend one or all of the picks on a second corner (very good odds), and use Roy Williams better (You can't use him worse than Parcells did), there is no reason that the defense wouldn't be significantly better next year and he wouldn't be just as hot of a HC candidate next season.

If Rivera is game, I think Turner gets the job. If he is not, I think Jerry thinks long and hard about bringing Dave Campo back as Turner's defensive coordinator, before realizing he just can't sell turner and campo in Dallas as the team's future and hiring Phillips.

Mike Caldwell of Indy reportedly will also be interviewed. I don't know what to make of that other than Phillips wants to practice interviewing for NFL head coaching jobs and Jerry wants to look like he didn't just round up the most despirate, washed up, yes men candidates in the world. Caldwell is well thought of by most. I am not overly jazzed. I don't know if he wants to be Jerry's puppet instead of waiting 2-3 seasons for a real NFL Head coaching gig with the freedom to hire his own coaches.

Today, the-candidate-I'd-most-like-to-see-Jerry-hire-but-he-won't-even-consider would be Marty Schottenheimer, the current charger's coach. San Diego's GM is sour on him and Schottenheirmer is likely feeling underappreciated again. The man has coached for a meddling owner in Washington and a meddling GM in San Diego. I think Dallas could land him for a discounted price---maybe a single first or second. Schottenheimer has a career record of 200-126-1 and has been to the playoffs 13 times in 20 full seasons and only 2 losing seasons in that span, but has only a dissapointing 5-13 record in the playoffs. He has rebuilt numerous teams, which I beleive in combination with facing comeback king John Elway and Jim Kelly and Warren Moon and their much more talented teams account for his playoff record skewing as unfavorably as it has. If you look closely, he generally has had the weaker team in the playoffs, so his losing record is not statistically suprising. He is a very solid and level-headed coach who is an excellent teacher and uses very sound schemes on both sides of the ball. He is the coach who developed Bernie Kosar, Drew Brees, and Phillip Rivers into NFL stars. He's the guy I'd like to see Jerry entrust Romo's development to.

I suspect Jerry won't give picks for a coach and won't surrender the level of control over staff Schottenheimer would want, so it won't happen.

In the likely Jerry scheme of getting the offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in place, a name that I can't get out of my head is Michael Irvin. Who was more of a student of the game than Irvin? Who knew which buttons to push with other players? Who could motivate white and black players alike? Who played for jimmy Johnson longest and knew the Jimmy Johnson motivation techniques better than anyone?

If Jerry is going to hand the coach an offensive and defensive coordinator, who do you think would be more successful as a head coach, Turner or Irvin?

Micheal knows he owes a debt to Jerry as Jerry has always had his back, so I think he'd do it if asked. Plus Michael Irvin has never backed down from a challenge.



Neither here nor there I guess. Not going to happen. I think this week offers a 70% chance of Turner and a 30% chance of Phillips.
 

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My first choice was Rivera for head coach. However I heard from my "sources" (here and dallascowobys.com) that Jerry wanted a veteran guy where he knew what he was getting instead of a young guy who might be hit or miss. So I figured with what I've seen Wade Phillips do in San Diego and the decent job he did in Buffalo **Remember he was fired for not firing another coach, not so much his teams play** he'd be the best canidate to lead this defence.

I still am praying at night that Norv won't get the job, and I'll leave it at that since everything you said about him was spot on.

When I first heard Dan Reeves wanted the job I was totally against it. I thought he just wasn't right of the job. Then Jerry went and hired Jason Garrett, in hopes that he could find a coach that would groom him into being the next HC for the Boys. My thoughts after hearing this was immediatly Reeves. I think if Jerry is using the plan of grooming Garrett or maybe Singletary into being the next coach then Dan Reeves would be the best choice. He's had success with a few teams, he's a firey guy and he is just a good coach to bring in for a few years at the most.

Also, small side note: Bowles who Jerry interviewed already fullfilled our "Rooney Rule" obligation. Singletary was the second minority interviewed. However, I did read somewhere that maybe the Commish called jerry and asked him to interview somebody not already on staff to stay true to the Rooney Rule, but that was conjecture on the guys part I believe. I've heard more reports say that Bowles' interview did satisfy the rule completely.
 

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You lost ALL credibility when you said Troy could not read defenses.:banghead:

Irvin as a coach? :lmao2: Please, back away from the keyboard. It is better to be silent than to reveal your ignorance.
 

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Pretty pathetic. Some people should remain quiet- once they speak all doubt about their intelligence is erased.
 

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this guys comments on Aikman are laughable. just insane.
 

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The Duke;1359401 said:
You lost ALL credibility when you said Troy could not read defenses.:banghead:

Irvin as a coach? :lmao2: Please, back away from the keyboard. It is better to be silent than to reveal your ignorance.

Whether or not Aikman titty babies agree about my assessment doesn't really matter. It is not like I said Aikman sucked, or even that Aikman was awful at reading defenses. In fact I barely mentioned Aikman. If that is all you got out of it, you are just trolling around waiting to be offended by anyone who doesn't kiss the butts of your holy trinity.

With regards to the triplets, I think they were all great, but I don't think any of them healed the sick, parted the seas, or payed my mortgage last month, so I will continue to call them as I see them, praising their plus attributes and recognizing their not so good areas.

I don't think Aikman SUCKED at reading defenses, even at at game speed--- I thought his skills at that were average for an NFL starting QB. I think his real plus attributes were that he could get rid of the ball quickly and accurately, especially if he got into a rythm, and that he was fearless, mechnically sound, and that he understood the big picture very well --- what a lot of QBs resist--- that turnovers cause losses.

Aikman always tried to do things that maximized his plus attributes. He insisted players run perfect routes. He doggedly refused to throw to guys he didn't trust to be in the right spot at the right time. He would eat the ball or throw it away before turning it over. He was the perfect QB for Norv Turner's system, and that is why he so bitterly resisted Chan Gailey.

When he was in offenses that forced him to do more reading, he was not as good. When he was in offenses that were all about timing and getting rid of the ball quickly (turner's offense and UCLA), he excelled. I do think he is an excellent analyst, but plenty of good analyst would not be able to read defenses at game speed and make in play improvisations like a Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, or Tom Brady can.

I heard something on the radio that was just amazing. Someone tracked all of Peyton Manning's throws while being hit this year and computed that he had a QB rating of 98 WHILE BEING HIT. AIkman could never do that. And to his credit, he understood that and made it a point ot throw the ball away or take the sack. That is what I mean by Aikman getting the big picture and understanding how turner's scheme maximizes his skills.

I don't know if you guys remember the old Jets QB Richard Todd. He had a reputation for not being able to read defenses at all, yet in 1991 Walt Michaels was able to coax a 25 TD 13 INT performance out of him by putting him into a system that took advantage of his plus abilities (physical skill) and minimized his weaknesses (reading defenses).

To use an example you may be more familar with, Vinny Testerverde. Vinny was widely considered one of the thicker QBs around. His intelligence was thought to be a permanent hurdle keeping him from every untapping his talent. But eventually a coach was able to figure out how to tap his best attribs.

Rex Grossman is an even more timely example. The guy has a good arm and is willing to take a hit, but lacks dedication and perhaps may also lack the intelligence to be top pro, yet Chicago has pulled several monster games out of him this season by rarely asking more out of him than a fairly frequent deep pass.

My point is that one size fits all thinking may not be the best approach for chosing the offensive system.

Romo is not Aikman.

And with regards to Irvin, if Jerry is going to hire both the offensive and defensive coordinators and plug in a head coach ala Barry Switzer, I would take Irvin over Turner, because in that scenario Irvin posseses more of the skills a team in that scenario would need from their head coach.

If your coordinators are in place, your systems are in place. Your head coach's job becomes motivating players and sifting through who has the charactistics you like and who doesn't. Irvin was very good at getting into his teammates heads and saying things to motivate them; Turner, in contrast, offers a system Troy excelled in and little else. In this scenario, it doesn't help you.

Irvin is a firebrand; Turner is a limp noodle. He can connect with all players; Turner connected with Troy, Moose, and Step.

Fans are abuzz with Mike singletary talk. He is also green as grass. I see little difference between what he brings and what Irvin would in that scenario, although I suspect Irvin might prove to be a better motivator of players.

Now all this said, don't waste our time by taking it out of context. I am certainly not advocating Irvin as my top choice. I would rather do this the right way and hire a head coach who can hire his own staff.
 

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Let me know when the Cliff Notes of all this rambling come out, OK?

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I'm not discounting everything you said but to even mention Irvin as a coach is really, really grasping. The guy got into the other players heads because he was in the trenches with those guys. They respected that. They relied on that. They needed that.........from a player.
But the number one reason they listened when he spoke is, quite honestly, he never shut up long enough for anyone to get a word in edge-wise!!
It's very evident Irvin came from a large family. He's never let that first come first serve mentality subside.
 

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Seven;1361494 said:
I'm not discounting everything you said but to even mention Irvin as a coach is really, really grasping. The guy got into the other players heads because he was in the trenches with those guys. They respected that. They relied on that. They needed that.........from a player.
But the number one reason they listened when he spoke is, quite honestly, he never shut up long enough for anyone to get a word in edge-wise!!
It's very evident Irvin came from a large family. He's never let that first come first serve mentality subside.


Maybe the could hire Irvin as the team barber?

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5Stars;1361484 said:
Let me know when the Cliff Notes of all this rambling come out, OK?

:confused:


I got depressed reading all that stuff:(
 

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adamknite;1359109 said:
My first choice was Rivera for head coach.

I don't think Jerry will hire him as a head coach. I like him better than Turner, but really just as an unknown. Again what does he really have to hang his hat on? My impression of him is that he is a very solid defensive coordinator, but isn't the thing about the Chicago defense the fact that they take pride in running to the ball? Isn't that Lovie Smith's deal? What special skill does Rivera have? On the positive side, Rivera did play for Buddy Ryan in the 46 years (well, he actually sat on the bench for Ryan, but I won't hold it against him. I think it is important that whoever we hire have some experience being part of a successful aggressive defense.)

adamknite;1359109 said:
However I heard from my "sources" (here and dallascowobys.com) that Jerry wanted a veteran guy where he knew what he was getting instead of a young guy who might be hit or miss.

Its funny that you say that. From reading articles and posts here --- especially the ones about Reeves --- I was under the impression that if anything Jerry is leaning away from OLD coaches. Reeves was apparently/reportedly not considered in part due to his age, while Garrett is a candidate...albeit not a leading one.

I think Jerry is balancing 2 things here that will probably have him hire a middle of the road guy.

1) He wants someone he can steer who won't want too much control.
2) He wants someone who won't yeild a chan Gaileyesque yawn from the fanbase and the media.

I think the first likely eliminates guys like Reeves and the second probably puts guys like Rivera, singletary, and Garrett topping out as "assistant head coaches".

adamknite;1359109 said:
So I figured with what I've seen Wade Phillips do in San Diego and the decent job he did in Buffalo **Remember he was fired for not firing another coach, not so much his teams play** he'd be the best canidate to lead this defence.

I had forgotten he had refused to fire a coach and that lead to his dismissal. I don't think that totally clears him in buffalo though. I hope you can give the whole story because I don't remember much of the details about other teams. Didn't his assistant do a really poor job and the GM said "fire the asistant" and Phillips refused? I think that probably has been a big part of what has kept him out of the head coaching ranks. Loyalty is nice and I admire it, but if your assistant was doing an obviously crappy job and you refused to recognize or address it until it became such an issue that you were forced out by a fan and management revolt, it suggests intractable, stubborn, blind loyalty overcoming good judgement.

From a practical sense, I have to think Jerry will sour on one of Wade's assistants at some point, based on Jerry's history. What then?

All that said, if Phillips gets hired, I'll be OK with that, even though it means more crappy 3-4 scheme. Bum Phillips' son and everything. I can deal with that for a while, but I was never all too impressed with his work as a head coach... Although he was a ton better than Norv.

adamknite;1359109 said:
Also, small side note: Bowles who Jerry interviewed already fullfilled our "Rooney Rule" obligation. Singletary was the second minority interviewed. However, I did read somewhere that maybe the Commish called jerry and asked him to interview somebody not already on staff to stay true to the Rooney Rule, but that was conjecture on the guys part I believe. I've heard more reports say that Bowles' interview did satisfy the rule completely.

Good catch. I wouldn't be suprised if that did occur, as I don't recall Singletary being mentioned initially.
 

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Where was I 3 years ago when Jerry announced Zimmer was gonna take over after Bill.I certainly do not remember ever hearing that fron any member of the front office.Am I wrong?
 

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Seven;1361494 said:
I'm not discounting everything you said but to even mention Irvin as a coach is really, really grasping. The guy got into the other players heads because he was in the trenches with those guys. They respected that. They relied on that. They needed that.........from a player.
But the number one reason they listened when he spoke is, quite honestly, he never shut up long enough for anyone to get a word in edge-wise!!
It's very evident Irvin came from a large family. He's never let that first come first serve mentality subside.

All of this is true. Again, I am not driving the Irvin for coach bus, I am merely pointing out that if Jerry is going to place an offensive coodinator and a defensive coordinator and "Switzer-in" a coach, he should look for those skillsets that would be lacking from the staff at that point.

I think hiring Turner just puts a guy with no more than coordinator skills in a position that players expect to be the leadership role. With no personal insult meant to Dave Campo, who I feel earned a shot at seeing if he could be an NFL coach with his years of good assisting and devoted loyalty, this would be to repeat the mistake of that regime.
 

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ndanger;1361585 said:
Where was I 3 years ago when Jerry announced Zimmer was gonna take over after Bill.I certainly do not remember ever hearing that fron any member of the front office.Am I wrong?

I wrote 3 years. I think most people on the forum do remember the zimmer as coach-in-training talk that came out of valley ranch when Parcells was hired.

Did Jerry ever announce that officially and publically? Not that I recall, but I don't think I have overstated.
 

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Long winded rambling defense aside...

If you walk into a stadium full of NFL players, coaches, GMs, ex-players/coaches/GMs, and every sportwriter in America, and college coaches, NOT ONE FREAKING PERSON would say Troy Aikman could not read defenses.

We're talking about a Hall of Fame QB with 3 rings BECAUSE he read defenses with the best. Look at the no ints in the biggest games. Show some statistic or one person to back up your claim. Otherwise, when no expert or statistic can possibly support your claim, it just might be time to question your own thinking and sanity.

The same stadium analogy goes for Irvin. With that reasoning, let's just make every good player that's an emotional leader head coach. Step aside Tony Dungy, your too low key. Ray Lewis must be the perfect head coach in your mind!

As I said, walk into that stadium and say Troy sucked at reading defenses and annonce Irvin the head coach or just even to be considered and be prepared to be knocked over by a roar of laughter!!!:lmao2:

I can't even bother considering the rest of what you say (long winded aside) when you have zero credibility with the Troy and Irvin comments.
 

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The Duke;1361721 said:
Long winded rambling defense aside...

If you walk into a stadium full of NFL players, coaches, GMs, ex-players/coaches/GMs, and every sportwriter in America, and college coaches, NOT ONE FREAKING PERSON would say Troy Aikman could not read defenses.

We're talking about a Hall of Fame QB with 3 rings BECAUSE he read defenses with the best. Look at the no ints in the biggest games. Show some statistic or one person to back up your claim. Otherwise, when no expert or statistic can possibly support your claim, it just might be time to question your own thinking and sanity.

The same stadium analogy goes for Irvin. With that reasoning, let's just make every good player that's an emotional leader head coach. Step aside Tony Dungy, your too low key. Ray Lewis must be the perfect head coach in your mind!

As I said, walk into that stadium and say Troy sucked at reading defenses and annonce Irvin the head coach or just even to be considered and be prepared to be knocked over by a roar of laughter!!!:lmao2:

I can't even bother considering the rest of what you say (long windedly) when you have zero credibility with the Troy and Irvin comments.

So... Let me get this straight.

Because your panties are in a wad because I don't think Aikman is the best QB of all time in all areas, you will not consider my viewpoints? Apparently even if I break things down and spoonfeed you bitesized current examples you cannot even consider them because you are too wound up that I ONLY consider Aikman a Hall of Fame QB, and not the best ever? (At everything?)

Sigh. Look, just pretend I said Troy was the best QB in the league of all time at reading defenses and making broken plays work (far better than that scrub Montana!).

In fact, pretend I said that Jerry hiring Turner, the guy Troy recommends, is brilliant; The Panacea for this teams woes, because Troy Aikman is in the Hall of Fame and ergo incapable of mistakes and/or failure.



Man... I am greatful that not everyone here is a fundamentalist triplet fan.
 

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FiniteMan!;1359107 said:
I frankly am hugely disappointed that he wasn't even interviewed. I have not been a huge fan of Reeves as a coach historically. I think his hard headedness in Denver really hindered the development of John Elway. (Remember Elway was a 60+% passer in college; a 57% passer under Reeves; and a 60+% passer after Reeves.) In addition, his refusal to bring in a legit 1000 yard rusher was the main reason those broncho teams imploded in the superbowl.

Elway had a higher completion percentage in college because college defenses usually aren't as good as those in the NFL. Many QBs go through this.

Elway completed 54.7% under Reeves and 58.6% under Shanahan. Reeves did coach Elway during his early years in which most young QBs completed a low number of passes. Shanahan had Elway as an experienced vet.

Reeves didn't refuse to bring in a 1000 yard back. Why would he? That statement doesn't make sense. He also wasn't the GM and he proved in New York and Atlanta that he likes a strong running game. Denver tried improving the running game, but could not.

They had Sammy Winder early in Elway's career and he had 1153 yards in 1984.

They traded for 1000 yard back Tony Dorsett.

They drafted Bobby Humphey who started out well with 1151 yards as a rookie in 1989 and 1202 yards in 1990. Injuries pretty much ended his career after that when he played only 4 games in 1991 and then went to Miami for one season.

They managed to get 1037 yards out of Gaston Green in 1991.

Reeves didn't succeed in getting a single running back to be the consitent rushing threat behind Elway, but it wasn't because he refused to do so. Sometimes things just don't work out.

Also, those Superbowl Broncos' teams were good for the AFC, but they just were not as good as the NFC teams they faced. The NFC was easily the dominant conference. If Cleveland would have managed to beat the Broncos, the Browns would have then gone on to get slaughtered in the Superbowl.
 

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FiniteMan!;1361849 said:
So... Let me get this straight.

Because your panties are in a wad because I don't think Aikman is the best QB of all time in all areas, you will not consider my viewpoints? Apparently even if I break things down and spoonfeed you bitesized current examples you cannot even consider them because you are too wound up that I ONLY consider Aikman a Hall of Fame QB, and not the best ever? (At everything?)

Sigh. Look, just pretend I said Troy was the best QB in the league of all time at reading defenses and making broken plays work (far better than that scrub Montana!).

In fact, pretend I said that Jerry hiring Turner, the guy Troy recommends, is brilliant; The Panacea for this teams woes, because Troy Aikman is in the Hall of Fame and ergo incapable of mistakes and/or failure.



Man... I am greatful that not everyone here is a fundamentalist triplet fan.

I didn't say Troy was the best of all time. He is consistently polled as in the top 12 though. Nobody in the top 12 cannot read defenses.

OK, so now that you admit the Troy and Irvin comment was dumb...
IMO, I wish Landry retired with Staubach and the 80s were coached by Dan Reeves. That would have been interesting with Reeves in his prime. As for Reeves now, that wouldn't be good IMO. Mainly, Reeves is an old coach and even Percells had a hard time motivating and getting the most out of players when the players see the head coach as a short term option. But it still could work, but Reeves already had a heart atack so for health reason it would be wise not to consider him.

Also, in the "America's Game" broadcast of the 1971 Cowboys, Duane Thomas specifically mentioned problems with Reeves. Reeves' personality just seems to be the worst fit possible to work with TO. All in all, Reeves would be Parcells Part 2.
 
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